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Both gamers are called Post-NaDa in the team.
boths were belonged to WeMade(Ex-pantech)
flash came into the spotlight faster than intermind.
people said;
he is already top gamer. he will be next top gamer.
he is genius. he will be youngest tournament winner.
on the oter hand,
nobody know about intermind.
he was a underdog just 2 weeks ago.
As a result, intermaind catched personal title.
Flash had the spotlight bue couldn't get one of anything.
But
In the pro-league,
Flash is already Ace in the team. he is, in fact, lead
the team.
intermind have no any career if it except this time tournament. truely, I think it is abrupt
you guys,
who will be Post-nada?
or
who will get bigger achievement?
Poll: Who will be the Post-NaDa
(Vote): InteR.mind
(Vote): Flash
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Mind's already done way more than Flash.
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On November 18 2007 03:43 DeadVessel wrote:
Mind's already done way more than Flash.
true, but will he hold it?
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I don't flash will ever become very good, he has potential but I just don't feel like he's the 'bonjwa' quality
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Flash will be no post-XXX. He'll be the one to follow ! =)
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Flash had more hype for sure, but doesn't seem to really be able to do much.
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flash would have beat bisu also if theyd played, bisu doesnt seem to play comfortable vs the newschool terran style.. flash has alot more potential then mind tho
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Mind beat Oov, Savior and Bisu in this MSL.
Enough said.
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On November 18 2007 04:23 tonight wrote:
Flash had more hype for sure, but doesn't seem to really be able to do much.
He got the hype because he beat bisu twice using MM.
Mind is an MSL winner, defeating Savior, then beating Bisu straight-up three times.
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United States33306 Posts
neither of them
more midas/goodfriend clones please
(Oh, I think Nada is the greatest progamer ever)
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mind is much more like a combination of oov and midas than nada. oov's macro and intelligent play but with midas' timing.
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8748 Posts
On November 18 2007 05:23 Metal[x] wrote:
wait so mind beat bisu?
mind was on the other computer when bisu was playing poorly. so technically, yeah, he beat him
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Mind for sure
Works better to just sneak up on everyone rather than having a overly sized ego from the start, I think it's really a psychological thing, cause you practice harder and stuff without the fame
Hwasin is a example of constantly getting better (savior too) and Mind is a example of sneak attacking the shit out of everyone (like Bisu)
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On November 18 2007 05:47 NonY[rC] wrote:mind was on the other computer when bisu was playing poorly. so technically, yeah, he beat him
I seriously wish people would acknowledge that Mind actually deserved this win. He took out iloveoov, savior and bisu in the same league, I'm pretty sure that shows that he deserves the title.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On November 18 2007 08:27 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2007 05:47 NonY[rC] wrote:On November 18 2007 05:23 Metal[x] wrote:
wait so mind beat bisu? mind was on the other computer when bisu was playing poorly. so technically, yeah, he beat him I seriously wish people would acknowledge that Mind actually deserved this win. He took out iloveoov, savior and bisu in the same league, I'm pretty sure that shows that he deserves the title.
props to mind for sure but bisu did play really bad
we can certainly expect better of him and be disappointed that he didnt show up to play
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Flash for sure. He has the balls to cheese often like NaDa does too. Like IdrA wrote; Mind is more like a combo of midas and Oov. I think Flashs mechanics are better, but Mind is a more intelligent player. Very much like NaDa(mechanics) vs Oov(macro/strategy)+Midas(timing).
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i dont want to degrade mind but i think he got a lil lucky and caught savior and beesuit on a bad day
or i could be completely wrong idk
but flash shows more promise and domination during his games imo
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Savior was playing really bad when Bisu beat him in Bisu's 1st MSL win, does that take anything away from Bisu's first MSL?
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Flash has the skills and potential but i dont think he can take it all the way
kinda like midas in a way
mind just won a msl with the toughest opponents ever i think hes doing infinitely better than flash right now, with results
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On November 18 2007 03:41 heavysmoker wrote:
boths were belonged to WeMade(Ex-pantech)
Flash used to be in WeMade? I thought he's always been in KTF.
But ya I'd say Mind will have greater success. He's already a solid player whose well-rounded in all matchups. He's defeated 3 SC legends, who each play a different race. Mind's also not that much older than Flash, only by a few months I believe.
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Flash is good but until he wins a title for himself, he won't be a true post nada.
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Honestly, Mind.
Flash can't do shit, in my eyes, he's just another failed prodigy, the Canata-sort, or perhaps even a Midas-resembling player.
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I think Flash is just lacking the experience, or he cannot gain experience as quickly as Mind.
They both started out rather well, but mind, imo, learns better while flash has got some extremely nice potential, but i dont think he develops as fast.
Plus, Mind is macro+, while flash in my eyes is more of a xellos/boxer type of style ( i often see that perfect terran aspect in his fac production+ push set up, with the occasional cheese).
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In actually, Flash's nickname is Post-NaDa in Korea
mind was called Post-NaDa by teammate(in wemade)
mind get a new nickname
It is Rommel terran(the desert fox)
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[QUOTE]On November 18 2007 10:25 Gyabo wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 18 2007 03:41 heavysmoker wrote:
boths were belonged to WeMade(Ex-pantech)
Flash used to be in WeMade? I thought he's always been in KTF.
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Flash was trainig in Pantech as trainee. but, he contracted with KTF as Pro-gamer.
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On November 18 2007 03:43 DeadVessel wrote:
Mind's already done way more than Flash. co signed
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As posted before Flash seems to have the Midas-player symptoms and hasn't done anything really notable since last OSL.
Mind just defeated the best player on the scene in a bo5 without rushing.
Like they say: MSL creates champions, OSL creates drama.
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How has Flash failed already or not lived up to potential? His first professional game was only 7 months ago, that's not very long. He came in 4th in the last OSL, his first OSL. He made both the MSL and OSL this season. He got knocked out of the MSL by losing to Bisu, nothing to be ashamed of. And he is currently in the RO8 of this OSL. And I personally bet on him to beat Stork. Shouldn't you guys let Flash fail at least a couple more times before giving up on him?
Mind has actually been around longer than flash now that I look at his TLPD page. Congrats to him on beating Savior and Bisu in succession to win the MSL but I'd still put my money on Flash I think if I was asked who is going to accomplish the most in their career when all is said and done.
FirstBorn makes a good point about MSL creating champions though.
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IMO, mind. Flash had shown a weak late game for some time and beat some big names in a non-straight up game while Mind won out of pure skill (and opponents mistakes). Right now Mind looks better and Flash gamewise.
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nobody can match what nada's accomplished
flash needs 3 osl's and msl's
mind needs 3 osl's and 2 msl's
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WTF? I never knew Flash was on pantech-EX?? I thought Nada was in KTF and so was Flash, but Mind was never in KTF??
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i hope Flash won, im a fan of KTF and i think that the experience in proleague have shown Flash predominance... i bet for him... gogogo kid!
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interesting comparison. it'll be interesting to see how Mind will develop now that he has a title under him. but at the moment i think Flash has earned more respect. i really want to see these two so called " post-Nada " go head to head. i would put money on Flash since his TvT is little better than Mind's TvT. Mind said " I hate TvT ".
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On November 18 2007 08:27 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2007 05:47 NonY[rC] wrote:On November 18 2007 05:23 Metal[x] wrote:
wait so mind beat bisu? mind was on the other computer when bisu was playing poorly. so technically, yeah, he beat him I seriously wish people would acknowledge that Mind actually deserved this win. He took out iloveoov, savior and bisu in the same league, I'm pretty sure that shows that he deserves the title.
Of course he deserved the win, how can he deserve a loss with the poor play Savior and Bisu showed?
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Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play.
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Flash and Mind both had low to mid 200 apm and were smart rather than fast players when they were amateurs, I actually don't think either of them is like Nada like all, they're not micro freaks.
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IM voting flash, in a very short period of time he has risen to become the leader of a pro team, he has beaten many huge names, and yes he has become a player who is feared.
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Mind is gonna be more huge than flash soon enough, i personally dont think flash is so great against T cuz he always cheese rush against T players like Nada and when he doesnt cheese rush he usually looses to most players and i bet u that if flash didnt cheese rush twice in the OSL against Bisu he would have gotten owned and Mind didnt actually even cheese rush Bisu once and dominated him with nice macro, micro, and better strategy then any1 so Mind would be more successful then Flash and now WeMade is rising up becuz of him and Nada :D
Edit: just checked TLPD his actually not bad against T but he aint really good against P
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Mind is Midas 2000.
What sets him apart from Midas is that he's too young to know fear, and he was blessed with a little luck.
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Flash is Cloud 2000
won't amount to much
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I am sure it is just a sign of my ignorance of SC, but I really feel that Minds game is just a strong counter to Saviour and Bisus early tech builds. Both Saviour and Bisu go fast tech, with minimal units mid-game and then attempt to push quickly to a large number of expansions. Minds game is a conservative opening followed up by a timing push which comes at the point both Bisu and Saviour are at their weakest; the early midgame when they have few units with which to exploit their tech advantage. Mind knew exactly when to push even when he could not scout Saviour/Mind which to me is an indication that both were playing too predictably.
For me the question is wether Saviour and Bisu can show more variety in the games (Saviour has certainly been mixing it up heavily), and how well Mind can play against opponents when he cant tell exactly what they are doing even when he hasnt got a good scout on them.
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I can't read a thread like this and NOT bump it. Absolutely amazing to see how the majority turned out to be wrong, and some of the comments in this thread are hilarious in hindsight.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
LOL, how did you manage to find this.
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omg "flash isn't bonjwa quality"
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when i first read this, i thought it was recently made and i thought "wtf ppl here think mind is better than flash and flash sucks vs T"
hahaha i cant believe you found this
thanks alot
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On November 26 2007 21:18 HonestTea wrote:
Flash is Cloud 2000
won't amount to much
orofl
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United States11390 Posts
On November 26 2007 21:18 HonestTea wrote:
Flash is Cloud 2000
won't amount to much
This comment is gold.
....although he has only won one starleague.
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On July 11 2009 04:01 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2007 21:18 HonestTea wrote:
Flash is Cloud 2000
won't amount to much This comment is gold. ....although he has only won one starleague.
If you really think about it, neither has amounted to becoming a "post-NaDa".
Flash hasn't made it far in the real OSL or MSL since his runs in Arena MSL (Ro4) and winning Bacchus. He's made Ro8 a couple times in OSL, but never really amounted to much with it. He's ace for KT, but what does that say? In the two pressure situations he's been in for KT, he hasn't pulled through (WL Playoffs).
Mind won GOMS3 MSL and then... died. Failed to qualify for the most recent round of Star Leagues, the round before that he did poorly. In fact, Mind hasn't made an MSL since Arena MSL (which he was seeded into) way back last summer.
Granted, Flash seems more attractive a player than Mind, but neither is really the "Post-NaDa" at this point, and I doubt either will be.
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On July 11 2009 04:09 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2009 04:01 Harem wrote:On November 26 2007 21:18 HonestTea wrote:
Flash is Cloud 2000
won't amount to much This comment is gold. ....although he has only won one starleague. If you really think about it, neither has amounted to becoming a "post-NaDa". Flash hasn't made it far in the real OSL or MSL since his runs in Arena MSL (Ro4) and winning Bacchus. He's made Ro8 a couple times in OSL, but never really amounted to much with it. He's ace for KT, but what does that say? In the two pressure situations he's been in for KT, he hasn't pulled through (WL Playoffs). Mind won GOMS3 MSL and then... died. Failed to qualify for the most recent round of Star Leagues, the round before that he did poorly. In fact, Mind hasn't made an MSL since Arena MSL (which he was seeded into) way back last summer. Granted, Flash seems more attractive a player than Mind, but neither is really the "Post-NaDa" at this point, and I doubt either will be.
Mind was in the Incruit OSL Ro8 where he lost to fantasy.
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lol this thread around 07? that was when flash was consider a super chesser by people because he
very good manage 2 carefully thought out build to knock bisu out of daum
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haha I was also part of the Mind fan club :D
though I liked flash too I never thought he'd be this good.
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On July 11 2009 04:16 AlwaysGG wrote:
lol this thread around 07? that was when flash was consider a super chesser by people because he
very good manage 2 carefully thought out build to knock bisu out of daum
ahh the refinery cheese on Monty Hall will forever be in my mind
<3
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Hahaha this thread's a comedy goldmine 
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In order for either player to become Post-NaDa they must become much more dominant. You could make a case for Flash because he has been, and is, quite dominant. BUT he is accompanied by Bisu and Jaedong, which makes none of them more dominant than the other really.
Nada was bonjwa, meaning he ripped EVERYONE (except oov lol) a new one, for a long period of time.
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In fairness to Flash, he was indisputably the best Terran for an entire year. He's pretty clearly the most skilled TvT player ever and made a permanent impact on the TvP matchup. The expectations for him have just always been so enormous, and the few flaws he has in his play have really cost him time and time again. Only once in the past 15 months could you say Flash was even mediocre at a matchup, and that's right now in TvZ.
Really what it comes down to is, what will win out - Flash's age or Flash's experience? Flash's age suggests he still has plenty of room to grow. Flash is STILL younger than the Jaedong was when Jaedong won his first Starleague, and Jaedong is the second youngest Starleague winner of all time (behind Flash of course). But, Flash has been around for so long already, and played so many games, that his style has settled into a very predictable one that ensures a high winning percentage but not big game victories. Other successful players have stagnated in style only to reinvent themselves again (Bisu comes to mind). Whether or not Flash ever reaches his full potential - which is to be the greatest player ever - depends completely on whether he can do this in the end.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play.
Cheers. He'll never last.
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On July 11 2009 05:48 darktreb wrote:
Whether or not Flash ever reaches his full potential - which is to be the greatest player ever - depends completely on whether he joins SKT.
Fixed.
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I think Flash has exceeded all expectations of him.
It's not really fair comparing Bisu, Jaedong and Flash together...they're the three top players in their respective matchups and they all practice very hard and have a lot of pressure on them due to their relatively weaker teammates (well, not Bisu anymore as SKT has been picking up its slack).
Flash, Bisu and Jaedong are like the Holy Triumvirate of Starcraft. That's right...you heard it from me first.
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to be fair, mind was REALLY innovative and was fun to watch while he dismantled savior. Taking out oov and bisu couldn't have been easy either.
flash's tvz is just mediocre now because the metagame has changed (to hyperagro play) while flash hasn't adjusted at all.
Still, flash completely REVOLUTIONIZED tvt and tvp. I'm behind? I'll double expo to catch up!
THat actually worked for a LONG time before people finally started to catch on. He pushed starcraft into an unprecedented macro age. A secondary effect is that flash is partially the reason such agressive builds like 2 hatch mutas work well vs terran.
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On July 11 2009 07:01 PH wrote:
I think Flash has exceeded all expectations of him.
It's not really fair comparing Bisu, Jaedong and Flash together...they're the three top players in their respective matchups and they all practice very hard and have a lot of pressure on them due to their relatively weaker teammates (well, not Bisu anymore as SKT has been picking up its slack).
Flash, Bisu and Jaedong are like the Holy Triumvirate of Starcraft. That's right...you heard it from me first.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82104
So close Bisu <> BeSt.
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wow epic bump. So funny how people doubted Flash.
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Flash's TvZ isnt medicore..geez..hes probably still the best TvZer, I dont even wanna hear some nonsense about fantasy having best TvZ cause theres quite a few in front of him.
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Hwasin's TvZ record is better percentage-wise than Flash's but only slightly. Canata is looking like he might becoming into some pretty strong TvZ form currently (8 wins out of the last 10 games).
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On November 26 2007 21:18 HonestTea wrote:
Flash is Cloud 2000
won't amount to much
quoted for embarrassment factor
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bump
nobody did expect it but he def is the new king NADA 2. Much better then nada was at his prime and i think no1 will ever surpass Flash his dominance. Best starcraft player of all time prob for forever.
User was warned for this post
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Always interesting to see the opinions of the past. I remember this thread from back then too. I think I voted intermind.
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These types of threads make me sad as a Mind fan. 
When Mind even has trouble beating people like Jaehoon nowadays...
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Yeah, great to see opinions from the past. I can't believe mind and flash were even comparable, looking at them now
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mind always played really interesting styles. it really sucks that he sorta just faded away
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There are some pretty damn funny posts about Flash in this thread. XD
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United States33306 Posts
Flash retired, worth a bump
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Baa?21242 Posts
Bump in honor of Flash's retirement.
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Baa?21242 Posts
On December 02 2015 23:40 Waxangel wrote:
Flash retired, worth a bump
FUCK YOU
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On December 02 2015 23:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:FUCK YOU
Juju levels of reaction.
RIP Flash ; [
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Japan11286 Posts
I expected something else from the title. Something more hopeful. xD
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On November 18 2007 03:46 Superiorwolf wrote:
I don't flash will ever become very good, he has potential but I just don't feel like he's the 'bonjwa' quality
LMAO Suppy! Worst prediction ever.
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Haha, awesome bump, really funny thread in hindsight.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
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Canada16217 Posts
On December 02 2015 23:40 Waxangel wrote:
Flash retired, worth a bump
Quality bump
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On December 02 2015 23:46 f10eqq wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2007 03:46 Superiorwolf wrote:
I don't flash will ever become very good, he has potential but I just don't feel like he's the 'bonjwa' quality LMAO Suppy! Worst prediction ever.
Isn't this like 12-year old Suppy though?
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What a great thread >_<
heh, 12 year old Suppy
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On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play.
This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.
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Please ban the guy who bummed thisT_T
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On December 03 2015 03:03 sabas123 wrote:
Please ban the guy who bummed thisT_T
Hey Wax, could you ban yourself please? thx, appreciated.
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On December 03 2015 02:55 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play. This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.
Finishing my university degree: great decision. I showed far less talent than Flash afterwards though!
edit: great bump. Love nostalgic threads like this.
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On December 03 2015 02:55 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play. This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.
Finished school that year, but wasn't involved in gaming at that time, did play poker a lot back then, though 
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United States4126 Posts
On December 02 2015 23:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:FUCK YOU
Nice try Sheep
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On December 03 2015 02:55 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play. This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.
I was doing runnning start at a community college. It was there, that same year, that I first became aware of professional starcraft. Someone was watching a vod on their laptop and I recognized the game. "Who's that guy with goku hair and fucked up glasses?" I miss nal_ra TT
So I'd say that was a good decision.
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LOL most confusing bump ever, when I read 2007 as the original post my heart broke.
Still fascinating that 64% voted mind, if flash goes to post kespa bw I look forward to what could actually be a good struggle between these two to see you who comes out on top. I know its blasphemy but I think mind could do it, (then again if we learn anything from this thread its that you shouldn't underestimate Flash).
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United States10110 Posts
On December 02 2015 23:40 Waxangel wrote:
Flash retired, worth a bump
you bump this but cant reopen the memes thread :c
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Wow, I remember the first time I saw this thread, and the 2nd time it was bumped way later. Now this lol.
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United States33306 Posts
On December 03 2015 04:04 Snugles wrote:
LOL most confusing bump ever, when I read 2007 as the original post my heart broke.
Still fascinating that 64% voted mind, if flash goes to post kespa bw I look forward to what could actually be a good struggle between these two to see you who comes out on top. I know its blasphemy but I think mind could do it, (then again if we learn anything from this thread its that you shouldn't underestimate Flash).
it's been retroactively voted more in favor of flash by new users, but it was like supposedly 90% in favor of mind when it came out. granted, it was made like right after Mind won a championship, and Flash was a merely "good" Proleague player and most known for cheesing Bisu out of OSL.
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On July 11 2009 05:48 darktreb wrote:
In fairness to Flash, he was indisputably the best Terran for an entire year. He's pretty clearly the most skilled TvT player ever and made a permanent impact on the TvP matchup. The expectations for him have just always been so enormous, and the few flaws he has in his play have really cost him time and time again. Only once in the past 15 months could you say Flash was even mediocre at a matchup, and that's right now in TvZ.
Really what it comes down to is, what will win out - Flash's age or Flash's experience? Flash's age suggests he still has plenty of room to grow. Flash is STILL younger than the Jaedong was when Jaedong won his first Starleague, and Jaedong is the second youngest Starleague winner of all time (behind Flash of course). But, Flash has been around for so long already, and played so many games, that his style has settled into a very predictable one that ensures a high winning percentage but not big game victories. Other successful players have stagnated in style only to reinvent themselves again (Bisu comes to mind). Whether or not Flash ever reaches his full potential - which is to be the greatest player ever - depends completely on whether he can do this in the end.
Haha I read this and was like "this guy nailed it", before realizing it was me #humblebrag
Thanks for the memories Flash. People forget it now but Flash wasn't all that popular relative to his skill back in 2009. Continuing to believe in him through the disappointment of 2009, until the 2010 breakthrough was one of the most fulfilling possible experiences as an e-sports fan.
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Haha we will always remember cheesy Flash.
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Wow, never saw this till now.
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Bisutopia19224 Posts
Flash is still a scrub with a few hundred lucky wins. Mind >
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LOL epic thread
reminds me of anatoly karpovs wikipedia:
"At twelve, he was accepted into Mikhail Botvinnik's prestigious chess school, though Botvinnik made the following remark about the young Karpov: "The boy does not have a clue about chess, and there's no future at all for him in this profession."
c'est la via say the old folks it goes to show you never can tell
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On December 03 2015 02:55 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play. This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.
I was watching everyone else's games and personally skipped whenever he was up due to the first time I saw him perform his cheesy build :p
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lmao somehow I missed this thread both the first and second times around. Great bump indeed but it's not enough. I vote that the unimpressed flash meme thread be at least temporarily reopened in honor of  Flash. 
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Wow! This was right after I started getting into pro-BW. I had just finished University and killing time on Youtube between job searches. I had found this Flash vs BoxeR match on YouTube where BoxeR was teaching Flash how to TvT and was awed by the narrative that Klazart painted:
BoxeR vs By.Flash @ Proleague [Klazart Commentary]
I was hooked. I was an instant pro-BW fan, seeing a game I loved played in a way I never knew was possible.
Some history right there. This was spectator SC at its most fun. Thanks for all the good times Flash.
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There should be a way to lock polls after some time just so we could so how Mind-favored this poll was originally.
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On December 03 2015 02:55 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play. This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.
Nov 2007? I just finished university too. Moved to the Bay Area to start working. I wasn't even into Starcraft then. It would be the following year, towards the summer of 2008 that I really started watching. By then Flash has already established himself.
Being a Protoss player, I fell in love with Stork at first, for several years, and Incruit OSL was a sweet memory.
When the scene started to die down and Jangbi became the last defender of the realm, I associated myself more with him. The last two seasons were simply amazing. Including the series between Jangbi and Flash, I believe in Jin Air 2?
Oh memories...
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On December 04 2015 09:16 ZerglingSoup wrote:Wow! This was right after I started getting into pro-BW. I had just finished University and killing time on Youtube between job searches. I had found this Flash vs BoxeR match on YouTube where BoxeR was teaching Flash how to TvT and was awed by the narrative that Klazart painted: BoxeR vs By.Flash @ Proleague [Klazart Commentary]I was hooked. I was an instant pro-BW fan, seeing a game I loved played in a way I never knew was possible. Some history right there. This was spectator SC at its most fun. Thanks for all the good times Flash.
Klazart....haha. I remember him. Alongside Diggity, Moletrap.
My favorite is NukeTheStar. He, alongside Jangbi, seems to be refusing to give up when everybody else has.
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On July 11 2009 07:01 PH wrote:
Flash, Bisu and Jaedong are like the Holy Triumvirate of Starcraft. That's right...you heard it from me first.
not bad
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2007 was youtube year. Remeber that i watched korean vods every day for half year:D how this korean yt uploader was named? before nevake. Good memories
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There was also another channel with all the VODs, don't remember the name. But something controversial happened and the account got banned and now a lot of games are missing VODs
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Jon747 was the guy you both are thinking of.
Anyway Mind might actually be better than Flash in BW at the moment.
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Funny thing is that if Flash plays BW in the amateur scene, he and Mind will be the best terrans.
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On December 06 2015 01:35 m4gdelen4 wrote:There was also another channel with all the VODs, don't remember the name. But something controversial happened and the account got banned and now a lot of games are missing VODs
On December 06 2015 02:47 jalstar wrote:Jon747 was the guy you both are thinking of. Anyway Mind might actually be better than Flash in BW at the moment.
Yup Jon747.
I'm currently subcribed to VioleTAK as well as nevake.
Since we're hashing up nostalgia here, does anybody remember (or have) an image I'm looking for? It was like a joke pic, that had a series of pros saying rhymes dissing "casuals." If anybody could track this down it would be much appreciated. Does anyone else remember this?
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Haha what a coincidence, in 2007 I was also watching Jon747, nevake and VioleTAK channels. I was in high school back then and watching boxer in 240p with loud korean commentators was just so much fun, this is around this period i understood i had to use keyboard shortcuts to play this game :D
Battle.net europe was still a thing, and we had good time with 2 other friends playing and talking about the game..
I'd say it was good times/good decision, playing starcraft taught me lots of stuff about myself and game design.
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ROFL people that posted on the first page dissing flash xD
This was around the time I started watching BW as well, I didn't look much into Flash's games but all of a sudden he is the player everyone is talking about.
Still funny to see that after a few games so many people were favoring Mind when comparing him to Flash lol
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Japan11286 Posts
Can't really blame them, I mean if some player beat Oov, sAviOr and then Bisu (that's 11 championships between them at the time :O) on the way to a gold, I'd favor the guy too over some kid who cheesed Bisu lol.
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United States13143 Posts
I mean, Flash at that point wasn't just a cheesy Terran, he was a very good Proleague player and a solid mechanical player, he just hadn't taken the next step yet while Mind had shown a lot of ingenuity. IIRC, Flash actually said that Mind winning the championship galvanized him into trying harder, which is why he exploded from merely being very good to the best player in the world.
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Pretty epic.
I also love how people were bashing Mind back then. He ended up pretty loved in the end.
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Japan11286 Posts
Mind and FlaSh need to settle things in the post-KeSPA era. No coaches, no 24 hour training regimen, no teams, all Afreeca madness.
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