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Flash VS InteR.mind

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heavysmoker
Profile Joined October 2007
Korea (South)17 Posts
November 17 2007 18:41 GMT
#1
Both gamers are called Post-NaDa in the team.

boths were belonged to WeMade(Ex-pantech)

flash came into the spotlight faster than intermind.

people said;
he is already top gamer. he will be next top gamer.
he is genius. he will be youngest tournament winner.

on the oter hand,

nobody know about intermind.
he was a underdog just 2 weeks ago.

As a result, intermaind catched personal title.
Flash had the spotlight bue couldn't get one of anything.

But

In the pro-league,
Flash is already Ace in the team. he is, in fact, lead
the team.

intermind have no any career if it except this time tournament. truely, I think it is abrupt


you guys,

who will be Post-nada?

or

who will get bigger achievement?

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Poll: Who will be the Post-NaDa
(Vote): InteR.mind
(Vote): Flash

DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
November 17 2007 18:43 GMT
#2
Mind's already done way more than Flash.
vhallee
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
899 Posts
November 17 2007 18:44 GMT
#3
On November 18 2007 03:43 DeadVessel wrote:
Mind's already done way more than Flash.


true, but will he hold it?
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-17 18:46:30
November 17 2007 18:46 GMT
#4
I don't flash will ever become very good, he has potential but I just don't feel like he's the 'bonjwa' quality
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Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
November 17 2007 18:47 GMT
#5
Flash will be no post-XXX. He'll be the one to follow ! =)
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-17 18:49:49
November 17 2007 18:48 GMT
#6
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tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
November 17 2007 19:23 GMT
#7
Flash had more hype for sure, but doesn't seem to really be able to do much.
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kamehameha
Profile Joined October 2007
Ukraine152 Posts
November 17 2007 19:51 GMT
#8
flash would have beat bisu also if theyd played, bisu doesnt seem to play comfortable vs the newschool terran style.. flash has alot more potential then mind tho
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 17 2007 19:54 GMT
#9
Mind beat Oov, Savior and Bisu in this MSL.

Enough said.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 17 2007 19:55 GMT
#10
On November 18 2007 04:23 tonight wrote:
Flash had more hype for sure, but doesn't seem to really be able to do much.


He got the hype because he beat bisu twice using MM.

Mind is an MSL winner, defeating Savior, then beating Bisu straight-up three times.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33313 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-17 20:13:57
November 17 2007 20:13 GMT
#11
neither of them

more midas/goodfriend clones please

(Oh, I think Nada is the greatest progamer ever)
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Blue
Profile Joined July 2004
Norway359 Posts
November 17 2007 20:17 GMT
#12
agreed
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LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
November 17 2007 20:23 GMT
#13
wait so mind beat bisu?
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
November 17 2007 20:37 GMT
#14
mind is much more like a combination of oov and midas than nada. oov's macro and intelligent play but with midas' timing.
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
November 17 2007 20:47 GMT
#15
On November 18 2007 05:23 Metal[x] wrote:
wait so mind beat bisu?


mind was on the other computer when bisu was playing poorly. so technically, yeah, he beat him
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greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
November 17 2007 20:54 GMT
#16
Mind for sure
Works better to just sneak up on everyone rather than having a overly sized ego from the start, I think it's really a psychological thing, cause you practice harder and stuff without the fame
Hwasin is a example of constantly getting better (savior too) and Mind is a example of sneak attacking the shit out of everyone (like Bisu)
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-17 23:27:59
November 17 2007 23:27 GMT
#17
On November 18 2007 05:47 NonY[rC] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2007 05:23 Metal[x] wrote:
wait so mind beat bisu?


mind was on the other computer when bisu was playing poorly. so technically, yeah, he beat him


I seriously wish people would acknowledge that Mind actually deserved this win. He took out iloveoov, savior and bisu in the same league, I'm pretty sure that shows that he deserves the title.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 17 2007 23:51 GMT
#18
On November 18 2007 08:27 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2007 05:47 NonY[rC] wrote:
On November 18 2007 05:23 Metal[x] wrote:
wait so mind beat bisu?


mind was on the other computer when bisu was playing poorly. so technically, yeah, he beat him


I seriously wish people would acknowledge that Mind actually deserved this win. He took out iloveoov, savior and bisu in the same league, I'm pretty sure that shows that he deserves the title.


props to mind for sure but bisu did play really bad

we can certainly expect better of him and be disappointed that he didnt show up to play
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
November 18 2007 00:34 GMT
#19
Flash for sure. He has the balls to cheese often like NaDa does too. Like IdrA wrote; Mind is more like a combo of midas and Oov. I think Flashs mechanics are better, but Mind is a more intelligent player. Very much like NaDa(mechanics) vs Oov(macro/strategy)+Midas(timing).
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MooNDog.
Profile Joined July 2007
United States81 Posts
November 18 2007 00:52 GMT
#20
i dont want to degrade mind but i think he got a lil lucky and caught savior and beesuit on a bad day
or i could be completely wrong idk
but flash shows more promise and domination during his games imo
=]
Try
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1293 Posts
November 18 2007 01:07 GMT
#21
Savior was playing really bad when Bisu beat him in Bisu's 1st MSL win, does that take anything away from Bisu's first MSL?
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
November 18 2007 01:22 GMT
#22
Flash has the skills and potential but i dont think he can take it all the way
kinda like midas in a way
mind just won a msl with the toughest opponents ever i think hes doing infinitely better than flash right now, with results
Gyabo
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States329 Posts
November 18 2007 01:25 GMT
#23
On November 18 2007 03:41 heavysmoker wrote:
boths were belonged to WeMade(Ex-pantech)

Flash used to be in WeMade? I thought he's always been in KTF.

But ya I'd say Mind will have greater success. He's already a solid player whose well-rounded in all matchups. He's defeated 3 SC legends, who each play a different race. Mind's also not that much older than Flash, only by a few months I believe.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
November 18 2007 01:30 GMT
#24
Flash is good but until he wins a title for himself, he won't be a true post nada.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
November 18 2007 01:31 GMT
#25
Honestly, Mind.
Flash can't do shit, in my eyes, he's just another failed prodigy, the Canata-sort, or perhaps even a Midas-resembling player.
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
November 18 2007 01:41 GMT
#26
I think Flash is just lacking the experience, or he cannot gain experience as quickly as Mind.
They both started out rather well, but mind, imo, learns better while flash has got some extremely nice potential, but i dont think he develops as fast.

Plus, Mind is macro+, while flash in my eyes is more of a xellos/boxer type of style ( i often see that perfect terran aspect in his fac production+ push set up, with the occasional cheese).
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heavysmoker
Profile Joined October 2007
Korea (South)17 Posts
November 18 2007 02:09 GMT
#27
In actually, Flash's nickname is Post-NaDa in Korea
mind was called Post-NaDa by teammate(in wemade)


mind get a new nickname

It is Rommel terran(the desert fox)
heavysmoker
Profile Joined October 2007
Korea (South)17 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-18 02:27:05
November 18 2007 02:24 GMT
#28
[QUOTE]On November 18 2007 10:25 Gyabo wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 18 2007 03:41 heavysmoker wrote:
boths were belonged to WeMade(Ex-pantech)

Flash used to be in WeMade? I thought he's always been in KTF.
[/QUOTE]



Flash was trainig in Pantech as trainee. but, he contracted with KTF as Pro-gamer.
kugarash
Profile Joined June 2007
Philippines13 Posts
November 21 2007 11:36 GMT
#29
On November 18 2007 03:43 DeadVessel wrote:
Mind's already done way more than Flash.
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
November 21 2007 12:46 GMT
#30
As posted before Flash seems to have the Midas-player symptoms and hasn't done anything really notable since last OSL.

Mind just defeated the best player on the scene in a bo5 without rushing.

Like they say: MSL creates champions, OSL creates drama.
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boghat
Profile Joined January 2007
United States2109 Posts
November 21 2007 13:14 GMT
#31
How has Flash failed already or not lived up to potential? His first professional game was only 7 months ago, that's not very long. He came in 4th in the last OSL, his first OSL. He made both the MSL and OSL this season. He got knocked out of the MSL by losing to Bisu, nothing to be ashamed of. And he is currently in the RO8 of this OSL. And I personally bet on him to beat Stork. Shouldn't you guys let Flash fail at least a couple more times before giving up on him?

Mind has actually been around longer than flash now that I look at his TLPD page. Congrats to him on beating Savior and Bisu in succession to win the MSL but I'd still put my money on Flash I think if I was asked who is going to accomplish the most in their career when all is said and done.

FirstBorn makes a good point about MSL creating champions though.
PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
November 21 2007 13:30 GMT
#32
IMO, mind. Flash had shown a weak late game for some time and beat some big names in a non-straight up game while Mind won out of pure skill (and opponents mistakes). Right now Mind looks better and Flash gamewise.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
November 21 2007 16:59 GMT
#33
nobody can match what nada's accomplished
flash needs 3 osl's and msl's
mind needs 3 osl's and 2 msl's
Thegreatbeyond
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States287 Posts
November 21 2007 17:11 GMT
#34
WTF? I never knew Flash was on pantech-EX?? I thought Nada was in KTF and so was Flash, but Mind was never in KTF??
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
November 21 2007 17:22 GMT
#35
i hope Flash won, im a fan of KTF and i think that the experience in proleague have shown Flash predominance... i bet for him... gogogo kid!
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ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
November 21 2007 18:51 GMT
#36
interesting comparison. it'll be interesting to see how Mind will develop now that he has a title under him. but at the moment i think Flash has earned more respect. i really want to see these two so called " post-Nada " go head to head. i would put money on Flash since his TvT is little better than Mind's TvT. Mind said " I hate TvT ".
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lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
November 21 2007 19:01 GMT
#37
On November 18 2007 08:27 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2007 05:47 NonY[rC] wrote:
On November 18 2007 05:23 Metal[x] wrote:
wait so mind beat bisu?


mind was on the other computer when bisu was playing poorly. so technically, yeah, he beat him


I seriously wish people would acknowledge that Mind actually deserved this win. He took out iloveoov, savior and bisu in the same league, I'm pretty sure that shows that he deserves the title.


Of course he deserved the win, how can he deserve a loss with the poor play Savior and Bisu showed?
I'll call Nada.
Try
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1293 Posts
November 25 2007 18:19 GMT
#38
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
November 25 2007 20:14 GMT
#39
Flash and Mind both had low to mid 200 apm and were smart rather than fast players when they were amateurs, I actually don't think either of them is like Nada like all, they're not micro freaks.
scrapperdog
Profile Joined August 2003
United States779 Posts
November 26 2007 08:11 GMT
#40
IM voting flash, in a very short period of time he has risen to become the leader of a pro team, he has beaten many huge names, and yes he has become a player who is feared.
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Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-26 08:30:48
November 26 2007 08:27 GMT
#41
Mind is gonna be more huge than flash soon enough, i personally dont think flash is so great against T cuz he always cheese rush against T players like Nada and when he doesnt cheese rush he usually looses to most players and i bet u that if flash didnt cheese rush twice in the OSL against Bisu he would have gotten owned and Mind didnt actually even cheese rush Bisu once and dominated him with nice macro, micro, and better strategy then any1 so Mind would be more successful then Flash and now WeMade is rising up becuz of him and Nada :D
Edit: just checked TLPD his actually not bad against T but he aint really good against P
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
November 26 2007 12:05 GMT
#42
Mind is Midas 2000.

What sets him apart from Midas is that he's too young to know fear, and he was blessed with a little luck.
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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
November 26 2007 12:18 GMT
#43
Flash is Cloud 2000

won't amount to much
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Wraithlin
Profile Joined October 2007
United Kingdom50 Posts
November 26 2007 14:21 GMT
#44
I am sure it is just a sign of my ignorance of SC, but I really feel that Minds game is just a strong counter to Saviour and Bisus early tech builds. Both Saviour and Bisu go fast tech, with minimal units mid-game and then attempt to push quickly to a large number of expansions. Minds game is a conservative opening followed up by a timing push which comes at the point both Bisu and Saviour are at their weakest; the early midgame when they have few units with which to exploit their tech advantage. Mind knew exactly when to push even when he could not scout Saviour/Mind which to me is an indication that both were playing too predictably.

For me the question is wether Saviour and Bisu can show more variety in the games (Saviour has certainly been mixing it up heavily), and how well Mind can play against opponents when he cant tell exactly what they are doing even when he hasnt got a good scout on them.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
July 10 2009 18:52 GMT
#45
I can't read a thread like this and NOT bump it. Absolutely amazing to see how the majority turned out to be wrong, and some of the comments in this thread are hilarious in hindsight.
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SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
July 10 2009 18:54 GMT
#46
LOL, how did you manage to find this.
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
July 10 2009 18:55 GMT
#47
Good for a laugh. xD
sMi.SyMPhOnY
Profile Joined December 2006
United States226 Posts
July 10 2009 18:57 GMT
#48
omg "flash isn't bonjwa quality"
:)
thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
July 10 2009 18:59 GMT
#49
when i first read this, i thought it was recently made and i thought "wtf ppl here think mind is better than flash and flash sucks vs T"

hahaha i cant believe you found this

thanks alot
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DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
July 10 2009 19:00 GMT
#50
On November 26 2007 21:18 HonestTea wrote:
Flash is Cloud 2000

won't amount to much

orofl
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
July 10 2009 19:01 GMT
#51
On November 26 2007 21:18 HonestTea wrote:
Flash is Cloud 2000

won't amount to much

This comment is gold.

....although he has only won one starleague.
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Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
July 10 2009 19:02 GMT
#52
this is hilarious
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8082 Posts
July 10 2009 19:05 GMT
#53
poor mind :\
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
July 10 2009 19:09 GMT
#54
On July 11 2009 04:01 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2007 21:18 HonestTea wrote:
Flash is Cloud 2000

won't amount to much

This comment is gold.

....although he has only won one starleague.


If you really think about it, neither has amounted to becoming a "post-NaDa".

Flash hasn't made it far in the real OSL or MSL since his runs in Arena MSL (Ro4) and winning Bacchus. He's made Ro8 a couple times in OSL, but never really amounted to much with it. He's ace for KT, but what does that say? In the two pressure situations he's been in for KT, he hasn't pulled through (WL Playoffs).

Mind won GOMS3 MSL and then... died. Failed to qualify for the most recent round of Star Leagues, the round before that he did poorly. In fact, Mind hasn't made an MSL since Arena MSL (which he was seeded into) way back last summer.

Granted, Flash seems more attractive a player than Mind, but neither is really the "Post-NaDa" at this point, and I doubt either will be.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8082 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-10 19:14:49
July 10 2009 19:14 GMT
#55
On July 11 2009 04:09 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 04:01 Harem wrote:
On November 26 2007 21:18 HonestTea wrote:
Flash is Cloud 2000

won't amount to much

This comment is gold.

....although he has only won one starleague.


If you really think about it, neither has amounted to becoming a "post-NaDa".

Flash hasn't made it far in the real OSL or MSL since his runs in Arena MSL (Ro4) and winning Bacchus. He's made Ro8 a couple times in OSL, but never really amounted to much with it. He's ace for KT, but what does that say? In the two pressure situations he's been in for KT, he hasn't pulled through (WL Playoffs).

Mind won GOMS3 MSL and then... died. Failed to qualify for the most recent round of Star Leagues, the round before that he did poorly. In fact, Mind hasn't made an MSL since Arena MSL (which he was seeded into) way back last summer.

Granted, Flash seems more attractive a player than Mind, but neither is really the "Post-NaDa" at this point, and I doubt either will be.


Mind was in the Incruit OSL Ro8 where he lost to fantasy.
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AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
July 10 2009 19:16 GMT
#56
lol this thread around 07? that was when flash was consider a super chesser by people because he

very good manage 2 carefully thought out build to knock bisu out of daum
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11550 Posts
July 10 2009 19:17 GMT
#57
haha I was also part of the Mind fan club :D

though I liked flash too I never thought he'd be this good.
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DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
July 10 2009 19:23 GMT
#58
On July 11 2009 04:16 AlwaysGG wrote:
lol this thread around 07? that was when flash was consider a super chesser by people because he

very good manage 2 carefully thought out build to knock bisu out of daum

ahh the refinery cheese on Monty Hall will forever be in my mind
<3
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16974 Posts
July 10 2009 19:49 GMT
#59
Hahaha this thread's a comedy goldmine
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Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
July 10 2009 20:09 GMT
#60
In order for either player to become Post-NaDa they must become much more dominant. You could make a case for Flash because he has been, and is, quite dominant. BUT he is accompanied by Bisu and Jaedong, which makes none of them more dominant than the other really.

Nada was bonjwa, meaning he ripped EVERYONE (except oov lol) a new one, for a long period of time.
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
July 10 2009 20:48 GMT
#61
In fairness to Flash, he was indisputably the best Terran for an entire year. He's pretty clearly the most skilled TvT player ever and made a permanent impact on the TvP matchup. The expectations for him have just always been so enormous, and the few flaws he has in his play have really cost him time and time again. Only once in the past 15 months could you say Flash was even mediocre at a matchup, and that's right now in TvZ.

Really what it comes down to is, what will win out - Flash's age or Flash's experience? Flash's age suggests he still has plenty of room to grow. Flash is STILL younger than the Jaedong was when Jaedong won his first Starleague, and Jaedong is the second youngest Starleague winner of all time (behind Flash of course). But, Flash has been around for so long already, and played so many games, that his style has settled into a very predictable one that ensures a high winning percentage but not big game victories. Other successful players have stagnated in style only to reinvent themselves again (Bisu comes to mind). Whether or not Flash ever reaches his full potential - which is to be the greatest player ever - depends completely on whether he can do this in the end.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 10 2009 21:36 GMT
#62
On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play.


Cheers. He'll never last.
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Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
July 10 2009 21:48 GMT
#63
On July 11 2009 05:48 darktreb wrote:
Whether or not Flash ever reaches his full potential - which is to be the greatest player ever - depends completely on whether he joins SKT.


Fixed.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
July 10 2009 22:01 GMT
#64
I think Flash has exceeded all expectations of him.

It's not really fair comparing Bisu, Jaedong and Flash together...they're the three top players in their respective matchups and they all practice very hard and have a lot of pressure on them due to their relatively weaker teammates (well, not Bisu anymore as SKT has been picking up its slack).

Flash, Bisu and Jaedong are like the Holy Triumvirate of Starcraft. That's right...you heard it from me first.
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Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
July 10 2009 22:13 GMT
#65
to be fair, mind was REALLY innovative and was fun to watch while he dismantled savior. Taking out oov and bisu couldn't have been easy either.

flash's tvz is just mediocre now because the metagame has changed (to hyperagro play) while flash hasn't adjusted at all.

Still, flash completely REVOLUTIONIZED tvt and tvp. I'm behind? I'll double expo to catch up!
THat actually worked for a LONG time before people finally started to catch on. He pushed starcraft into an unprecedented macro age. A secondary effect is that flash is partially the reason such agressive builds like 2 hatch mutas work well vs terran.
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TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
July 10 2009 22:20 GMT
#66
On July 11 2009 07:01 PH wrote:
I think Flash has exceeded all expectations of him.

It's not really fair comparing Bisu, Jaedong and Flash together...they're the three top players in their respective matchups and they all practice very hard and have a lot of pressure on them due to their relatively weaker teammates (well, not Bisu anymore as SKT has been picking up its slack).

Flash, Bisu and Jaedong are like the Holy Triumvirate of Starcraft. That's right...you heard it from me first.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82104
So close Bisu <> BeSt.
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deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
July 10 2009 22:24 GMT
#67
wow epic bump. So funny how people doubted Flash.
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mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
July 11 2009 00:18 GMT
#68
Flash's TvZ isnt medicore..geez..hes probably still the best TvZer, I dont even wanna hear some nonsense about fantasy having best TvZ cause theres quite a few in front of him.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
July 11 2009 00:26 GMT
#69
Hwasin's TvZ record is better percentage-wise than Flash's but only slightly. Canata is looking like he might becoming into some pretty strong TvZ form currently (8 wins out of the last 10 games).
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51418 Posts
July 11 2009 00:32 GMT
#70
On November 26 2007 21:18 HonestTea wrote:
Flash is Cloud 2000

won't amount to much


quoted for embarrassment factor
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skinnyrl
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands125 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-26 21:05:27
September 26 2010 21:03 GMT
#71
bump

nobody did expect it but he def is the new king NADA 2. Much better then nada was at his prime and i think no1 will ever surpass Flash his dominance. Best starcraft player of all time prob for forever.

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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
September 26 2010 21:18 GMT
#72
Always interesting to see the opinions of the past. I remember this thread from back then too. I think I voted intermind.
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Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
September 26 2010 21:29 GMT
#73
These types of threads make me sad as a Mind fan.

When Mind even has trouble beating people like Jaehoon nowadays...
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
September 26 2010 21:29 GMT
#74
Yeah, great to see opinions from the past. I can't believe mind and flash were even comparable, looking at them now
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8082 Posts
September 26 2010 21:33 GMT
#75
mind always played really interesting styles. it really sucks that he sorta just faded away
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
September 26 2010 21:37 GMT
#76
There are some pretty damn funny posts about Flash in this thread. XD
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33313 Posts
December 02 2015 14:40 GMT
#77
Flash retired, worth a bump
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
December 02 2015 14:40 GMT
#78
Bump in honor of Flash's retirement.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
December 02 2015 14:40 GMT
#79
On December 02 2015 23:40 Waxangel wrote:
Flash retired, worth a bump


FUCK YOU
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JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
December 02 2015 14:41 GMT
#80
On December 02 2015 23:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 23:40 Waxangel wrote:
Flash retired, worth a bump


FUCK YOU


Juju levels of reaction.

RIP Flash ; [
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
December 02 2015 14:45 GMT
#81
I expected something else from the title. Something more hopeful. xD
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ArmadA[NaS]
Profile Joined January 2014
United States346 Posts
December 02 2015 14:46 GMT
#82
On November 18 2007 03:46 Superiorwolf wrote:
I don't flash will ever become very good, he has potential but I just don't feel like he's the 'bonjwa' quality

LMAO Suppy! Worst prediction ever.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 02 2015 14:49 GMT
#83
Haha, awesome bump, really funny thread in hindsight.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
December 02 2015 14:49 GMT
#84
Fucking lol bump
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
December 02 2015 14:55 GMT
#85
On December 02 2015 23:40 Waxangel wrote:
Flash retired, worth a bump

Quality bump
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erby
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
464 Posts
December 02 2015 15:19 GMT
#86
On December 02 2015 23:46 f10eqq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2007 03:46 Superiorwolf wrote:
I don't flash will ever become very good, he has potential but I just don't feel like he's the 'bonjwa' quality

LMAO Suppy! Worst prediction ever.

Isn't this like 12-year old Suppy though?
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purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 15:23:05
December 02 2015 15:22 GMT
#87
What a great thread >_<

heh, 12 year old Suppy
T P Z sagi
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2227 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 17:58:57
December 02 2015 17:55 GMT
#88
On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play.


This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
December 02 2015 18:03 GMT
#89
Please ban the guy who bummed thisT_T
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2227 Posts
December 02 2015 18:05 GMT
#90
On December 03 2015 03:03 sabas123 wrote:
Please ban the guy who bummed thisT_T

Hey Wax, could you ban yourself please? thx, appreciated.
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 18:06:12
December 02 2015 18:05 GMT
#91
On December 03 2015 02:55 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play.


This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.


Finishing my university degree: great decision. I showed far less talent than Flash afterwards though!

edit: great bump. Love nostalgic threads like this.
why?
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1889 Posts
December 02 2015 18:11 GMT
#92
On December 03 2015 02:55 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play.


This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.


Finished school that year, but wasn't involved in gaming at that time, did play poker a lot back then, though
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Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
December 02 2015 18:47 GMT
#93
On December 02 2015 23:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 23:40 Waxangel wrote:
Flash retired, worth a bump


FUCK YOU

Nice try Sheep
robopork
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States511 Posts
December 02 2015 18:49 GMT
#94
On December 03 2015 02:55 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play.


This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.


I was doing runnning start at a community college. It was there, that same year, that I first became aware of professional starcraft. Someone was watching a vod on their laptop and I recognized the game. "Who's that guy with goku hair and fucked up glasses?" I miss nal_ra TT

So I'd say that was a good decision.
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Snugles
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom35 Posts
December 02 2015 19:04 GMT
#95
LOL most confusing bump ever, when I read 2007 as the original post my heart broke.

Still fascinating that 64% voted mind, if flash goes to post kespa bw I look forward to what could actually be a good struggle between these two to see you who comes out on top. I know its blasphemy but I think mind could do it, (then again if we learn anything from this thread its that you shouldn't underestimate Flash).
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10115 Posts
December 02 2015 21:14 GMT
#96
On December 02 2015 23:40 Waxangel wrote:
Flash retired, worth a bump

you bump this but cant reopen the memes thread :c
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Urth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1248 Posts
December 02 2015 21:21 GMT
#97
Wow, I remember the first time I saw this thread, and the 2nd time it was bumped way later. Now this lol.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33313 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 07:26:46
December 03 2015 05:58 GMT
#98
On December 03 2015 04:04 Snugles wrote:
LOL most confusing bump ever, when I read 2007 as the original post my heart broke.

Still fascinating that 64% voted mind, if flash goes to post kespa bw I look forward to what could actually be a good struggle between these two to see you who comes out on top. I know its blasphemy but I think mind could do it, (then again if we learn anything from this thread its that you shouldn't underestimate Flash).


it's been retroactively voted more in favor of flash by new users, but it was like supposedly 90% in favor of mind when it came out. granted, it was made like right after Mind won a championship, and Flash was a merely "good" Proleague player and most known for cheesing Bisu out of OSL.
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BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
December 03 2015 06:24 GMT
#99
haha what a bump
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
December 03 2015 06:58 GMT
#100
Funny but sad
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
December 03 2015 07:09 GMT
#101
On July 11 2009 05:48 darktreb wrote:
In fairness to Flash, he was indisputably the best Terran for an entire year. He's pretty clearly the most skilled TvT player ever and made a permanent impact on the TvP matchup. The expectations for him have just always been so enormous, and the few flaws he has in his play have really cost him time and time again. Only once in the past 15 months could you say Flash was even mediocre at a matchup, and that's right now in TvZ.

Really what it comes down to is, what will win out - Flash's age or Flash's experience? Flash's age suggests he still has plenty of room to grow. Flash is STILL younger than the Jaedong was when Jaedong won his first Starleague, and Jaedong is the second youngest Starleague winner of all time (behind Flash of course). But, Flash has been around for so long already, and played so many games, that his style has settled into a very predictable one that ensures a high winning percentage but not big game victories. Other successful players have stagnated in style only to reinvent themselves again (Bisu comes to mind). Whether or not Flash ever reaches his full potential - which is to be the greatest player ever - depends completely on whether he can do this in the end.


Haha I read this and was like "this guy nailed it", before realizing it was me #humblebrag

Thanks for the memories Flash. People forget it now but Flash wasn't all that popular relative to his skill back in 2009. Continuing to believe in him through the disappointment of 2009, until the 2010 breakthrough was one of the most fulfilling possible experiences as an e-sports fan.
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
December 03 2015 07:26 GMT
#102
Haha we will always remember cheesy Flash.
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10668 Posts
December 03 2015 19:32 GMT
#103
Wow, never saw this till now.
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2213 Posts
December 03 2015 20:04 GMT
#104
haha
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19224 Posts
December 03 2015 20:06 GMT
#105
Flash is still a scrub with a few hundred lucky wins. Mind >
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AmatistA
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany113 Posts
December 03 2015 20:22 GMT
#106
lol flash vs mind
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 20:58:37
December 03 2015 20:40 GMT
#107
LOL epic thread
reminds me of anatoly karpovs wikipedia:
"At twelve, he was accepted into Mikhail Botvinnik's prestigious chess school, though Botvinnik made the following remark about the young Karpov: "The boy does not have a clue about chess, and there's no future at all for him in this profession."

c'est la via say the old folks it goes to show you never can tell
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
December 03 2015 21:58 GMT
#108
On December 03 2015 02:55 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play.


This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.


I was watching everyone else's games and personally skipped whenever he was up due to the first time I saw him perform his cheesy build :p
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 03 2015 23:54 GMT
#109
lmao somehow I missed this thread both the first and second times around. Great bump indeed but it's not enough. I vote that the unimpressed flash meme thread be at least temporarily reopened in honor of (T)Flash.
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ZerglingSoup
Profile Joined June 2009
United States346 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-04 00:20:19
December 04 2015 00:16 GMT
#110
Wow! This was right after I started getting into pro-BW. I had just finished University and killing time on Youtube between job searches. I had found this Flash vs BoxeR match on YouTube where BoxeR was teaching Flash how to TvT and was awed by the narrative that Klazart painted:

BoxeR vs By.Flash @ Proleague [Klazart Commentary]

I was hooked. I was an instant pro-BW fan, seeing a game I loved played in a way I never knew was possible.

Some history right there. This was spectator SC at its most fun. Thanks for all the good times Flash.
Stream plz
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
December 04 2015 00:50 GMT
#111
There should be a way to lock polls after some time just so we could so how Mind-favored this poll was originally.
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Jubinell
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
333 Posts
December 04 2015 01:58 GMT
#112
On December 03 2015 02:55 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play.


This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.


Nov 2007? I just finished university too. Moved to the Bay Area to start working. I wasn't even into Starcraft then. It would be the following year, towards the summer of 2008 that I really started watching. By then Flash has already established himself.

Being a Protoss player, I fell in love with Stork at first, for several years, and Incruit OSL was a sweet memory.

When the scene started to die down and Jangbi became the last defender of the realm, I associated myself more with him. The last two seasons were simply amazing. Including the series between Jangbi and Flash, I believe in Jin Air 2?

Oh memories...
Jubinell
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
333 Posts
December 04 2015 02:03 GMT
#113
On December 04 2015 09:16 ZerglingSoup wrote:
Wow! This was right after I started getting into pro-BW. I had just finished University and killing time on Youtube between job searches. I had found this Flash vs BoxeR match on YouTube where BoxeR was teaching Flash how to TvT and was awed by the narrative that Klazart painted:

BoxeR vs By.Flash @ Proleague [Klazart Commentary]

I was hooked. I was an instant pro-BW fan, seeing a game I loved played in a way I never knew was possible.

Some history right there. This was spectator SC at its most fun. Thanks for all the good times Flash.


Klazart....haha. I remember him. Alongside Diggity, Moletrap.

My favorite is NukeTheStar. He, alongside Jangbi, seems to be refusing to give up when everybody else has.
ilovegroov
Profile Joined January 2015
357 Posts
December 05 2015 16:01 GMT
#114
On July 11 2009 07:01 PH wrote:
Flash, Bisu and Jaedong are like the Holy Triumvirate of Starcraft. That's right...you heard it from me first.


not bad
mca64Launcher_
Profile Joined June 2015
Poland629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-05 16:30:35
December 05 2015 16:30 GMT
#115
2007 was youtube year. Remeber that i watched korean vods every day for half year:D how this korean yt uploader was named? before nevake. Good memories
m4gdelen4
Profile Joined October 2008
United States416 Posts
December 05 2015 16:35 GMT
#116
There was also another channel with all the VODs, don't remember the name. But something controversial happened and the account got banned and now a lot of games are missing VODs
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 05 2015 17:47 GMT
#117
Jon747 was the guy you both are thinking of.

Anyway Mind might actually be better than Flash in BW at the moment.
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
December 05 2015 18:25 GMT
#118
Funny thing is that if Flash plays BW in the amateur scene, he and Mind will be the best terrans.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
December 05 2015 20:35 GMT
#119
On December 06 2015 01:35 m4gdelen4 wrote:
There was also another channel with all the VODs, don't remember the name. But something controversial happened and the account got banned and now a lot of games are missing VODs


On December 06 2015 02:47 jalstar wrote:
Jon747 was the guy you both are thinking of.

Anyway Mind might actually be better than Flash in BW at the moment.


Yup Jon747.

I'm currently subcribed to VioleTAK as well as nevake.

Since we're hashing up nostalgia here, does anybody remember (or have) an image I'm looking for? It was like a joke pic, that had a series of pros saying rhymes dissing "casuals." If anybody could track this down it would be much appreciated. Does anyone else remember this?
TwiggyWan
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France328 Posts
December 05 2015 23:31 GMT
#120
Haha what a coincidence, in 2007 I was also watching Jon747, nevake and VioleTAK channels. I was in high school back then and watching boxer in 240p with loud korean commentators was just so much fun, this is around this period i understood i had to use keyboard shortcuts to play this game :D

Battle.net europe was still a thing, and we had good time with 2 other friends playing and talking about the game..

I'd say it was good times/good decision, playing starcraft taught me lots of stuff about myself and game design.
No bad days
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4230 Posts
December 06 2015 00:13 GMT
#121
ROFL people that posted on the first page dissing flash xD

This was around the time I started watching BW as well, I didn't look much into Flash's games but all of a sudden he is the player everyone is talking about.

Still funny to see that after a few games so many people were favoring Mind when comparing him to Flash lol
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
December 06 2015 03:04 GMT
#122
Can't really blame them, I mean if some player beat Oov, sAviOr and then Bisu (that's 11 championships between them at the time :O) on the way to a gold, I'd favor the guy too over some kid who cheesed Bisu lol.
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
December 06 2015 04:20 GMT
#123
I mean, Flash at that point wasn't just a cheesy Terran, he was a very good Proleague player and a solid mechanical player, he just hadn't taken the next step yet while Mind had shown a lot of ingenuity. IIRC, Flash actually said that Mind winning the championship galvanized him into trying harder, which is why he exploded from merely being very good to the best player in the world.
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danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
December 06 2015 04:35 GMT
#124
Pretty epic.

I also love how people were bashing Mind back then. He ended up pretty loved in the end.
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December 06 2015 06:17 GMT
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Mind and FlaSh need to settle things in the post-KeSPA era. No coaches, no 24 hour training regimen, no teams, all Afreeca madness.
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