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Ucmh
Profile Joined June 2023
6 Posts
June 04 2023 15:28 GMT
#1
So I thought I'd start using mouse wheel scrolling. The speed is insane tho. If I nudge my mouse, the screen flicks across the map. Neither mouse or key scroll speed affects the mouse wheel. Is there a settings file I can manually edit or something? I think it's gonna be OP so I wanna get it to work...
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France2965 Posts
June 04 2023 16:05 GMT
#2
I never once thought of using the wheel, very interesting. I believe in the windows mouse cursor or your mouse program (Razer etc) there must be a setting, but i don't think there is one in BW so you d need to find the right balance.
Please keep us informed on how it goes, meanwhile i ll try it too
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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1089 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-04 16:09:31
June 04 2023 16:09 GMT
#3
You have no precision using it so i recommend ctrl/f-keys. Or just simply leftclick on minimap which also requires precision.
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MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States777 Posts
June 04 2023 19:18 GMT
#4
I use mouse scroll to go to a corner real fast like when scouting. Works well
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Cheesefome
Profile Joined May 2016
300 Posts
June 04 2023 19:27 GMT
#5
I tried using it but could never get used to it, much less now that I use a Razer Viper Mini, their scroll button is hard for me to push.
Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
287 Posts
June 04 2023 19:39 GMT
#6
sadly you can't adjust the setting for brood war drag scroll. Try playing SC2.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland19023 Posts
June 04 2023 20:59 GMT
#7
On June 05 2023 04:39 Comedy wrote:
sadly you can't adjust the setting for brood war drag scroll. Try playing SC2.

I really don’t understand why because I’ve never found it to be anything other than unusable

It’s a pity, I think for most many cases it is better than other methods, has its drawbacks too but it’s a useful tool
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2737 Posts
June 05 2023 00:20 GMT
#8
BTW fun fact: one of the best, if not the best player in the world finnish zerg Serral plays using ONLY drag scrolling to move his screen. He NEVER goes to corner with his mouse to move his screen which is insane.
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Ucmh
Profile Joined June 2023
6 Posts
June 05 2023 14:29 GMT
#9
On June 05 2023 09:20 outscar wrote:
BTW fun fact: one of the best, if not the best player in the world finnish zerg Serral plays using ONLY drag scrolling to move his screen. He NEVER goes to corner with his mouse to move his screen which is insane.

Well that's the way it should be. Why would you go MOVE MOUSE TO EDGE + MOVE SCREEN + MOVE MOUSE BACK when you can just go HOLD BUTTON + MOVE SCREEN?
Ucmh
Profile Joined June 2023
6 Posts
June 05 2023 14:37 GMT
#10
On June 05 2023 04:39 Comedy wrote:
sadly you can't adjust the setting for brood war drag scroll. Try playing SC2.

No, not in-game. Looking at Windows settings, there also seems to be nothing. I use an Xtrfy mouse, but the associated official software doesn't recognize my mouse and therefore doesn't work. Is there perhaps software from another brand that's free and available for mice of different brands?
Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
287 Posts
June 05 2023 19:47 GMT
#11
On June 05 2023 23:37 Ucmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2023 04:39 Comedy wrote:
sadly you can't adjust the setting for brood war drag scroll. Try playing SC2.

No, not in-game. Looking at Windows settings, there also seems to be nothing. I use an Xtrfy mouse, but the associated official software doesn't recognize my mouse and therefore doesn't work. Is there perhaps software from another brand that's free and available for mice of different brands?


the drag scroll is a game specific setting. you can never change it with software or drivers as far as im aware.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland19023 Posts
June 05 2023 20:22 GMT
#12
On June 05 2023 09:20 outscar wrote:
BTW fun fact: one of the best, if not the best player in the world finnish zerg Serral plays using ONLY drag scrolling to move his screen. He NEVER goes to corner with his mouse to move his screen which is insane.

It’s insane that more people don’t do it tbh, you can keep your mouse reliably centred the majority of the time, which seems pretty advantageous.

Does he really never do it? I’ll have to keep a closer eye on his streams haha. I think there are good use cases for hitting the mouse to the edge of the screen. Retreating and attack while stutter stepping, especially if you’re splitting being one.

Perhaps I’m still not a full convert and it’s not 100% naturally ingrained in me but it definitely feels more natural/simple to move in/out of the edge of your screen the ‘old fashioned’ way.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1089 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-06 05:57:08
June 06 2023 05:48 GMT
#13
If you have a look at pros how they use their mouse after side-scrolling from an edge youll notice they dont want the mouse centralized as it waste time, once you find your target on the edge you click then use hotkeys/location hotkeys to get back to where you are 'working'.

Using middle-click scrolling is inprecise at best and waste more time than it saves. Most pros dont even side-scroll at all because it isnt necessary. You jump through your locations by hotkeying buildings/locations(f-keys) and thats how you move the viewport most efficient.

Lesson here is hotkeys/location hotkeys = good, side-scrolling/map-scrolling/middleclick-scrolling = bad.

Best to learn the correct way while ure a noob because later its difficult to change bad habits.

I play this new game called 'BAR' and asked a fellow PRO why he doesnt use hotkeys more, he said back in the day in 'Total Annihilation' you didnt have hotkeys so he got used to never use em and now cant change his behaviour.
-.-
Ucmh
Profile Joined June 2023
6 Posts
June 07 2023 21:19 GMT
#14
On June 06 2023 04:47 Comedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2023 23:37 Ucmh wrote:
On June 05 2023 04:39 Comedy wrote:
sadly you can't adjust the setting for brood war drag scroll. Try playing SC2.

No, not in-game. Looking at Windows settings, there also seems to be nothing. I use an Xtrfy mouse, but the associated official software doesn't recognize my mouse and therefore doesn't work. Is there perhaps software from another brand that's free and available for mice of different brands?


the drag scroll is a game specific setting. you can never change it with software or drivers as far as im aware.

Oh OK. If you hold and drag in a web browser for instance, that movement has a certain speed, so there is an equivalent for mouse work outside of BW.
Ucmh
Profile Joined June 2023
6 Posts
June 07 2023 21:21 GMT
#15
On June 06 2023 14:48 MeSaber wrote:
If you have a look at pros how they use their mouse after side-scrolling from an edge youll notice they dont want the mouse centralized as it waste time, once you find your target on the edge you click then use hotkeys/location hotkeys to get back to where you are 'working'.

Using middle-click scrolling is inprecise at best and waste more time than it saves. Most pros dont even side-scroll at all because it isnt necessary. You jump through your locations by hotkeying buildings/locations(f-keys) and thats how you move the viewport most efficient.

Lesson here is hotkeys/location hotkeys = good, side-scrolling/map-scrolling/middleclick-scrolling = bad.

Best to learn the correct way while ure a noob because later its difficult to change bad habits.

I play this new game called 'BAR' and asked a fellow PRO why he doesnt use hotkeys more, he said back in the day in 'Total Annihilation' you didnt have hotkeys so he got used to never use em and now cant change his behaviour.

That's totally unrealistic. Yes, hotkeys are great and you should use them a lot, but there are many instances still where you will want to scroll the screen. That goes for pros as well.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland19023 Posts
June 07 2023 22:20 GMT
#16
On June 06 2023 14:48 MeSaber wrote:
If you have a look at pros how they use their mouse after side-scrolling from an edge youll notice they dont want the mouse centralized as it waste time, once you find your target on the edge you click then use hotkeys/location hotkeys to get back to where you are 'working'.

Using middle-click scrolling is inprecise at best and waste more time than it saves. Most pros dont even side-scroll at all because it isnt necessary. You jump through your locations by hotkeying buildings/locations(f-keys) and thats how you move the viewport most efficient.

Lesson here is hotkeys/location hotkeys = good, side-scrolling/map-scrolling/middleclick-scrolling = bad.

Best to learn the correct way while ure a noob because later its difficult to change bad habits.

I play this new game called 'BAR' and asked a fellow PRO why he doesnt use hotkeys more, he said back in the day in 'Total Annihilation' you didnt have hotkeys so he got used to never use em and now cant change his behaviour.

BW pros constantly screen-scroll when moving armies around and fighting. All the time.

Scroll wheel scrolling is mostly more efficient here, if it actually worked in BW, which it doesn’t due to settings because you keep your mouse centred. So come to that jump to your base or your macro facilities you’re reliably centred on that stuff already

Versus screen scrolling where you can be at the edge of your screen before jumping to something else and have to move accordingly

You want your mouse centred, otherwise you wouldn’t have your building hotkeys and camera hotkeys centred

Nothing you said was particularly accurate. Wheel button scrolling just outright doesn’t work in BW, but it’s objectively the better way to do it in most scenarios
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2077 Posts
June 07 2023 22:28 GMT
#17
tried it

+ Show Spoiler +
sux
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland19023 Posts
June 07 2023 22:35 GMT
#18
On June 08 2023 07:28 XenOsky wrote:
tried it

+ Show Spoiler +
sux

Being completely uncontrollable and uneditable will do that
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1089 Posts
June 07 2023 23:03 GMT
#19
On June 08 2023 06:21 Ucmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2023 14:48 MeSaber wrote:
If you have a look at pros how they use their mouse after side-scrolling from an edge youll notice they dont want the mouse centralized as it waste time, once you find your target on the edge you click then use hotkeys/location hotkeys to get back to where you are 'working'.

Using middle-click scrolling is inprecise at best and waste more time than it saves. Most pros dont even side-scroll at all because it isnt necessary. You jump through your locations by hotkeying buildings/locations(f-keys) and thats how you move the viewport most efficient.

Lesson here is hotkeys/location hotkeys = good, side-scrolling/map-scrolling/middleclick-scrolling = bad.

Best to learn the correct way while ure a noob because later its difficult to change bad habits.

I play this new game called 'BAR' and asked a fellow PRO why he doesnt use hotkeys more, he said back in the day in 'Total Annihilation' you didnt have hotkeys so he got used to never use em and now cant change his behaviour.

That's totally unrealistic. Yes, hotkeys are great and you should use them a lot, but there are many instances still where you will want to scroll the screen. That goes for pros as well.


Which instances are you referring to?

Dont get confused with what i mean by scrolling, if you need to move your screen to move a unit in a battle thats totally understandable, but you shouldnt move from your base to battle using scroll, thats a hotkey action.

To give a great example of perfect usage of hotkeys and as little scrolling as possible:


-.-
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3651 Posts
June 08 2023 00:27 GMT
#20
I put adding configuration for this on the todo list for ShieldBattery, dunno when we'll get around to it but eventually, doesn't seem particularly hard to add.
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
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