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linyu)wufan18
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http://sc.replays.net/htm_data/13/0710/27557.html http://sc.replays.net/htm_data/13/0710/27556.html enjoy | ||
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Highways
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if so thanks | ||
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Q(-_-Q)
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linyu)wufan18
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linyu)wufan18
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Superiorwolf
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Pressure
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thanks for stealing more reps wufan LOL thankss | ||
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LaMoj
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skindzer
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Wizard
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IntoTheWow
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beyondie
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dude thanks a ton! | ||
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Equinox_kr
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gg_hertzz
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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IntoTheWow
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On October 15 2007 12:31 gg_hertzz wrote: why do you call him ipxzerg? http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/135_sAviOr  | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On October 15 2007 12:20 skindzer wrote: First game seemed like savior didnt care.. Wasn't first game the one that savior won? Well, actually you have a point. He doesn't seem like he cares when he wins games | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
On October 15 2007 12:43 Purind wrote: Wasn't first game the one that savior won? Well, actually you have a point. He doesn't seem like he cares when he wins games Yes it was, but his macro seemed sloppy to me.. always more than 1300 minerals. Why dont just put another hatchery? | ||
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jtan
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xBTx
Canada542 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
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LivingDead
Russian Federation15 Posts
I believe in you! | ||
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Juglinjugglo
Korea (South)187 Posts
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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iNcontroL
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FalliNinLove
Slovakia865 Posts
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Canada7170 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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Lycaeus
United States1420 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On October 15 2007 13:25 EpiK wrote: Is wufan PJ? Wufan is Keyser Söze. | ||
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
lmao | ||
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LoveandPeace
United States99 Posts
Why did he lose so badly? It wasn't even close. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
<3 Hopefully no one yells at you this year =\\ | ||
Sigrun
United States1654 Posts
On October 15 2007 14:00 LoveandPeace wrote: i don't understand why Savior lost so bad. He did say he wanted to win WCG. I assumed that the reason why he wasn't playing like his old self all year is because he was too preoccupied with WCG practicing. Now this, and not only did he play poorly, but he seriously played like he didn't care. Why did he lose so badly? It wasn't even close. Seems that he vastly underestimated PJ, and also didn't play well for unknown reasons. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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FirstProbe
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gg_hertzz
2152 Posts
I was under the impression that he didn't use that name anymore. | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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IntoTheWow
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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ktp
United States797 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
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IntoTheWow
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Texas
Germany2388 Posts
goodjob http://download.yousendit.com/AF89D58157CC2936 [url blocked] + Show Spoiler + nice low eco fights on PA, macro war on peaks. cool games. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
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pangshai
Chinatown5333 Posts
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
Savior had major "oops forgot to macro" moments in all three games. I don't believe having as much bank as he had is common place for progamers. Even in game one savior looked way off. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On October 15 2007 15:58 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Its his trademark hotkey setup 1-2 units 3-0 hatches. damn... what a beast. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
http://impulsive.host-bg.info/index.php?site=demos&action=showdemo&demoID=21 gg no re | ||
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Canada395 Posts
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Texas
Germany2388 Posts
On October 15 2007 18:06 BlueStar wrote: Direct DL link from me ^^ http://impulsive.host-bg.info/index.php?site=demos&action=showdemo&demoID=21 gg no re "To download this demo you have to be registered and logged in!" and Pj is from China, not Canada : p | ||
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
Game 2 savior did not bother to replace his pool after losing it, instead he went pure hydra mid-game and lost. Game 3 savior had half the supply of troops of P the whole game. He was severely out-macroed and the P played cautious or he'd have cut the time down by half. Games 2 and 3 are some of the worst savior games I've ever seen. I'm not even sure he knows the maps very well. | ||
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EpiK
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denyo77
Barbados220 Posts
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Sadist
United States7228 Posts
On October 15 2007 14:00 LoveandPeace wrote: i don't understand why Savior lost so bad. He did say he wanted to win WCG. I assumed that the reason why he wasn't playing like his old self all year is because he was too preoccupied with WCG practicing. Now this, and not only did he play poorly, but he seriously played like he didn't care. Why did he lose so badly? It wasn't even close. they came from korea, maybe he wasnt feeling well or something. Im sure he cared, not caring is a load of bullshit. Theres 15k to win | ||
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mel_ee
2448 Posts
thanks for the replays!! | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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Sadist
United States7228 Posts
On October 15 2007 19:46 haduken wrote: Jetlag for both players? China and Korea have similiar time zones. It's either that Pj arrived early and rested well or Savior drunk himself silly before the match. Either way it's his fault. im just saying he could have not felt well from traveling aside from the jet lag + that place looks noisy as hell. Normally I wouldnt make excuses for the korean players, but if you watch the replays he doesnt look very crisp at all, his multitask and control seem off. | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
imo savior played well, but pj was just on fire in these games, perfect pvz. | ||
Insane
United States4991 Posts
On October 15 2007 20:08 kroko wrote: PJ may have played well, but I don't see how you can possibly say Savior played well (compared to Savior when he was actually playing well a while ago). Obviously he was really good, but he looked extremely sloppy compared to the fearsome undefeatable ZvP of the savior days.woot pj owns, really nice games all 3. imo savior played well, but pj was just on fire in these games, perfect pvz. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
On October 15 2007 18:25 HiTexas wrote: "To download this demo you have to be registered and logged in!" and Pj is from China, not Canada : p the reg is in this way: reg from here: http://impulsive.host-bg.info/index.php?site=register nick: **** username: **** pass: **** repeat pass: **** mail: **** code: **** u can use random mail as aspkljda@alksjd.tt :D | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
On October 15 2007 20:10 HnR)Insane wrote: PJ may have played well, but I don't see how you can possibly say Savior played well (compared to Savior when he was actually playing well a while ago). Obviously he was really good, but he looked extremely sloppy compared to the fearsome undefeatable ZvP of the savior days. I didnt see anything that sloppy what costed these games for him, imho PJ just played better. + its hard to keep same level for big tournament what elapses days(u get tired) then for a TV game. Thats skill too.. | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
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Sadist
United States7228 Posts
On October 15 2007 20:17 kroko wrote: I didnt see anything that sloppy what costed these games for him, imho PJ just played better. + its hard to keep same level for big tournament what elapses days(u get tired) then for a TV game. Thats skill too.. imo his decision making wasnt as good as its usual self, but thats not what cost him the games (except maybe the paranoid game) he was put into really bad positions by his unit control and weak multitask, he reacted very slow to attacks and such, not his usual savior self. | ||
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FirstBorn
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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~Legit~
United States408 Posts
bad multitasking and some bad decisions~~ paranoid android with the goons and the reaver etc~~ | ||
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SeBASTa
China1147 Posts
On October 15 2007 23:48 zulu_nation8 wrote: pj played well, I thought savior threw those games but they were good what do you mean by throw? | ||
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morfyy
Romania593 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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"didn't bother replacing his pool" what are you retarded? | ||
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mrdx
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freelander
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GJ | ||
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wcg2007pj
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well played by pj! goodgame!! | ||
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sztuczyn
Poland694 Posts
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Darki[Per]
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
And savior was horrible. Just horrible. | ||
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Hwasingodly
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
On October 16 2007 03:23 Hwasingodly wrote: çThese are wonder games. Thanks to korean expert players we continue to be entertained... Hope that the companies support korea gamers by giving replays soon :D Carlodajin? | ||
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wcg2007pj
32 Posts
why? care to explain? | ||
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exalted
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Red_Dragon
Croatia2862 Posts
Savior in my opinion played well to some level, but PJ simply came better prepared. | ||
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PissedOffEmo
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
On October 16 2007 03:53 PissedOffEmo wrote: Pj and sav should have a rematch on the same maps, because clearly nobody is giving pj credit for playing better its because saviour played bad..lol I also hate this attitude, everytime non-korean wins vs pro, its cause the pro played bad, didnt give a flying fuck, is in bad shape etc... | ||
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
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SoleSteeler
Canada5422 Posts
On October 16 2007 03:48 exalted wrote: So WCG2007 replays will not be released except for these leaked ones (thx Wufan)? Why???? Why do you think that? These just got leaked early. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On October 16 2007 03:53 PissedOffEmo wrote: Pj and sav should have a rematch on the same maps, because clearly nobody is giving pj credit for playing better its because saviour played bad..lol http://teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/135_sAviOr/games/vs-P PJ must be the PvZ god then. | ||
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The_Marine
Malta46 Posts
On October 15 2007 18:59 .dragoon wrote: I dunno what you guys are talking about. Game 2 savior did not bother to replace his pool after losing it, instead he went pure hydra mid-game and lost. Game 3 savior had half the supply of troops of P the whole game. He was severely out-macroed and the P played cautious or he'd have cut the time down by half. Games 2 and 3 are some of the worst savior games I've ever seen. I'm not even sure he knows the maps very well. in game 2 if you watch closely his economy is fucked up, he can't replace the pool right away | ||
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Tadzio
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+ Show Spoiler + Game1 Savior really hurt PJ with that smart move to weaken and then take out PJ's nat nexus. Seemed like savior took his sweet time after that, though credit should be given to PJ for that. PJ defended his expos really well considering the use of mass plague, imo. Game2 PJ just outplayed savior, imo. The fast drop was very smart and devastating. PJ sealed the deal when he started using reavers at savior's nat. PJ gave savior a little too much credit in this game, imo... he could've ended it quite a bit sooner than he did. Still, it was a nice performance by PJ. Game3 I'm sorry, I know PJ fans are pissed at people saying savior didn't care, but this almost looks like a thrown game. Just watch savior. He opens 9 pool speedling 13 hat expo on gaia, then while his lings fail to do anything he sets up a contain and masses creeps. Then when the contain fails he masses sunkens like crazy-- I don't know korean, so I can't say for sure, but the sunken formations almost look like writing. By the time he's done making sunkens he's unrecognizable as savior, imo. Meanwhile, none of savior's super defensive plays seem necessary. Just watching savior's side of things, I can't see why he went berserk with static defense. PJ's play did not, to me, seem to require such an enormous turtle. Savior's opening hurt his own economy enough, I'm not sure 2341234 sunkens is the best way to recover your economy. If savior was playing seriously, he severely underestimated PJ. Thanks for sharing the replays ^^ | ||
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
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Darki[Per]
Peru689 Posts
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
On October 16 2007 07:15 Tadzio00 wrote: I just finished watching them. Only watched with savior's vision, so I can only comment on PJ's play to the extent that savior scouted. + Show Spoiler + Game1 Savior really hurt PJ with that smart move to weaken and then take out PJ's nat nexus. Seemed like savior took his sweet time after that, though credit should be given to PJ for that. PJ defended his expos really well considering the use of mass plague, imo. Game2 PJ just outplayed savior, imo. The fast drop was very smart and devastating. PJ sealed the deal when he started using reavers at savior's nat. PJ gave savior a little too much credit in this game, imo... he could've ended it quite a bit sooner than he did. Still, it was a nice performance by PJ. Game3 I'm sorry, I know PJ fans are pissed at people saying savior didn't care, but this almost looks like a thrown game. Just watch savior. He opens 9 pool speedling 13 hat expo on gaia, then while his lings fail to do anything he sets up a contain and masses creeps. Then when the contain fails he masses sunkens like crazy-- I don't know korean, so I can't say for sure, but the sunken formations almost look like writing. By the time he's done making sunkens he's unrecognizable as savior, imo. Meanwhile, none of savior's super defensive plays seem necessary. Just watching savior's side of things, I can't see why he went berserk with static defense. PJ's play did not, to me, seem to require such an enormous turtle. Savior's opening hurt his own economy enough, I'm not sure 2341234 sunkens is the best way to recover your economy. If savior was playing seriously, he severely underestimated PJ. Thanks for sharing the replays ^^ game 3 was fixed  | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
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TeRRan`UseR
Canada692 Posts
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DimSum
China105 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Jolle
Norway185 Posts
Perhaps not, but he wasn't playing his best, thats for sure... | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
Savior was even more behind after PJ's first attack (even though Savior held it off) and Savior knew it. He did all the things that desperate Zergs who know they are behind do to try to steal the game, which includes exasperated lurker/scourge obs contain and mass sunkens to try to win with Hive units. However PJ did a great job of squashing any drops, harass, and expo attempts by Savior and storm/reaver harassing constantly. Credit PJ for not letting Savior back into the game. Everyone saying Savior didn't try, I don't buy that. He was desperately trying to hold on constantly that entire game 3, he was just too far behind from the first 5 minutes. The sunkens were necessary. Savior was down 40-50 supply at some points in the game, you need that many sunkens to hold that huge P army. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On October 16 2007 18:16 Hot_Bid wrote: In Game 3, Savior was behind when his 9 pool speed did zero damage. No matter how good you are, it's hard to come back from 9 pool speed doing nothing vs Protoss. Savior was even more behind after PJ's first attack (even though Savior held it off) and Savior knew it. He did all the things that desperate Zergs who know they are behind do to try to steal the game, which includes exasperated lurker/scourge obs contain and mass sunkens to try to win with Hive units. However PJ did a great job of squashing any drops, harass, and expo attempts by Savior and storm/reaver harassing constantly. Credit PJ for not letting Savior back into the game. Everyone saying Savior didn't try, I don't buy that. He was desperately trying to hold on constantly that entire game 3, he was just too far behind from the first 5 minutes. The sunkens were necessary. Savior was down 40-50 supply at some points in the game, you need that many sunkens to hold that huge P army. I fully agree. lol @people thinking he was writing with his sunkens or forgetting to replace his pool | ||
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wcg2007pj
32 Posts
after watching the replays i was really surprised. savior played like if he was throwing coins anywhere on the table but not the center(the center would be the right move). his resources were 2000+ and 1500+ at some points. why savior played like that? i am really clueless. pj played great dont misunderstand me. its just that this is too strange. | ||
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Duke
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