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IaniAniaN
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada555 Posts
October 16 2007 07:42 GMT
#101
Game 3 was pretty ridiculous, it didn't seem like Savior had anything brilliant up his sleeve or an excellent plan in general, maybe he tried to play psychologically as opposed to intelligently and tried to force Pj to think there was more to his contain that there really was to delay him more, then he went berserker sunkens, perhaps hoping that PJ would begin throwing units at him (which didn't happen). The nature of the map, with the open mid expos isn't a good environment for a zerg that like to expand a lot and sunken up in late game, so saviors play was pretty screwed after the failed contain and PJ had the unit power to be able to take those mids in the end. Maybe on Luna it could have panned out better but, savior wasn't able to do anything significant with his units in the end and payed for it. Props to PJ for carriers too, those were pretty cool.
TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
October 16 2007 07:49 GMT
#102
Which game did Savior win? I only want to see that one. ^^
AKAs FreeloSS @USwest Freel0ss @Europe
DimSum
Profile Joined May 2007
China105 Posts
October 16 2007 08:44 GMT
#103
game 2 and 3
be all that you can be
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 16 2007 08:58 GMT
#104
everyone has his/her bad days
Jolle
Profile Joined June 2007
Norway185 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-16 09:08:35
October 16 2007 09:07 GMT
#105
He didnt want to play Stork before the MSL R16, so he lost on purpose. ^^

Perhaps not, but he wasn't playing his best, thats for sure...
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-16 09:17:33
October 16 2007 09:16 GMT
#106
In Game 3, Savior was behind when his 9 pool speed did zero damage. No matter how good you are, it's hard to come back from 9 pool speed doing nothing vs Protoss.

Savior was even more behind after PJ's first attack (even though Savior held it off) and Savior knew it. He did all the things that desperate Zergs who know they are behind do to try to steal the game, which includes exasperated lurker/scourge obs contain and mass sunkens to try to win with Hive units.

However PJ did a great job of squashing any drops, harass, and expo attempts by Savior and storm/reaver harassing constantly. Credit PJ for not letting Savior back into the game.

Everyone saying Savior didn't try, I don't buy that. He was desperately trying to hold on constantly that entire game 3, he was just too far behind from the first 5 minutes. The sunkens were necessary. Savior was down 40-50 supply at some points in the game, you need that many sunkens to hold that huge P army.
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
October 16 2007 09:32 GMT
#107
Nazgul really hit it on the head perfect. It's also funny seeing so many people trying to make excuses for savior. Go PJ.
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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-16 11:38:05
October 16 2007 11:37 GMT
#108
On October 16 2007 18:16 Hot_Bid wrote:
In Game 3, Savior was behind when his 9 pool speed did zero damage. No matter how good you are, it's hard to come back from 9 pool speed doing nothing vs Protoss.

Savior was even more behind after PJ's first attack (even though Savior held it off) and Savior knew it. He did all the things that desperate Zergs who know they are behind do to try to steal the game, which includes exasperated lurker/scourge obs contain and mass sunkens to try to win with Hive units.

However PJ did a great job of squashing any drops, harass, and expo attempts by Savior and storm/reaver harassing constantly. Credit PJ for not letting Savior back into the game.

Everyone saying Savior didn't try, I don't buy that. He was desperately trying to hold on constantly that entire game 3, he was just too far behind from the first 5 minutes. The sunkens were necessary. Savior was down 40-50 supply at some points in the game, you need that many sunkens to hold that huge P army.


I fully agree.

lol @people thinking he was writing with his sunkens or forgetting to replace his pool
wcg2007pj
Profile Joined October 2007
32 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-16 19:33:43
October 16 2007 19:30 GMT
#109
sktelecom t1 pj. even though i admire him for such performance.
after watching the replays i was really surprised.
savior played like if he was throwing coins anywhere on the table but not the center(the center would be the right move).
his resources were 2000+ and 1500+ at some points.
why savior played like that? i am really clueless.
pj played great dont misunderstand me. its just that this is too strange.
sktelecom t1!!! SAVIOR IS A MAP SPECIALIST.
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
October 16 2007 19:38 GMT
#110
download speed is sooo painfully slow!
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