EPTBTW I remember there were really really mean comments like he killed their mom on his YT channel on his last farewell video so FlaSh must be shook reading them, he must be sensitive so took into heart so I think that's why he still didn't show up.
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outscar
2832 Posts
BTW I remember there were really really mean comments like he killed their mom on his YT channel on his last farewell video so FlaSh must be shook reading them, he must be sensitive so took into heart so I think that's why he still didn't show up. | ||
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BulgarianToss
Bulgaria484 Posts
Btw, thank you once again for the translated content jinjin! | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On March 17 2023 03:14 outscar wrote: It's not like he match fixed or something so God's image can't be damaged! Viewers who think he's scammer are welcome to no longer watch him. I think he shouldn't make a big deal out of it and start streaming - I think it will be better for him and people will eventually forget if not already forgot that scandal. BTW I remember there were really really mean comments like he killed their mom on his YT channel on his last farewell video so FlaSh must be shook reading them, he must be sensitive so took into heart so I think that's why he still didn't show up. Let's be completely honest, he's probably set for life money wise from what he got from streaming unless he blew it all. He could probably never work a day or ever stream again and he'll be fine lol Still regardless of if people thought he was a scammer/scamming him nobody should be subject to comments like those. It seems Korean nietzens can be really cruel from what I've heard. | ||
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Jealous
10126 Posts
On March 17 2023 07:03 Qikz wrote: Let's be completely honest, he's probably set for life money wise from what he got from streaming unless he blew it all. He could probably never work a day or ever stream again and he'll be fine lol Still regardless of if people thought he was a scammer/scamming him nobody should be subject to comments like those. It seems Korean nietzens can be really cruel from what I've heard. Re: Korean netizens, I read an article recently about one of my favorite Korean musicians which basically explained that a lot of them feel like they have the duty to be social police basically, that in turn leads to crazy dramas out of nothing. I can't find the article right now but here is a lengthy Reddit thread that touches on the subject: https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/opkats/kpop_tajinyo_how_baseless_academic_fraud_claims/ TLDR: Successful musician's academic background is questioned due to netizen rumors (like, he never went to Stanford/never graduated), it turns into an all-out witch hunt, and because education is so important in Korea, people were sending him and his family death threats, it left him with long-term trauma. Some people went to prison. Pretty fascinating read which might help outsiders (like me) understand Korean netizen backlash/drama culture better. Then again, we have similar haters like JoinTheRain on our very own forums, so perhaps not too far removed from our own online experience. EDIT: Slightly less lengthy article from Stanford's magazine that is more in a narrative/interview style, if you want a more condensed version: https://stanfordmag.org/contents/the-persecution-of-daniel-lee | ||
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Minely
60 Posts
On March 16 2023 11:39 tankgirl wrote: you can take the tiger out of the jungle, but you cant take the jungle out of the tiger he'll be back eventually Was he born in the year of the tiger? He can't be one if he wasn't. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
On March 16 2023 18:49 M3t4PhYzX wrote: Korean BW tournaments are much more interesting without him anways, imo. Seeing someone play random in a modern major Korean tournament was interesting if you ask me. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8637 Posts
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/574711-flashs-crypto-scandal?page=11#213 since then i havent really followed the scandal as public interest also died out, so if there are any new facts that contradict my summary id be interested to hear it, but otherwise i think the contents of that post is still relevant. | ||
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
As a friend to Flash thats probably worse off and i guess time will tell if he still got any friends. Flash as a product (BW) is still strong if he havent lost it all (skills). If he has viewers on his stream is rather irrelevant unless he feels thats what he needs or he wont stream. He wouldnt know this beforehand so in that sense he needs to start streaming again to know. Most still consider Flash as top tier and that in itself makes him likeable from a competitive standpoint. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4173 Posts
On March 17 2023 17:11 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Seeing someone play random in a modern major Korean tournament was interesting if you ask me. That was actually interesting, yes. If he continued to do that I would watch every single game of it and enjoy it very much. Sadly, I think it was just a one-time stint. | ||
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Creager
Germany1890 Posts
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Drahkn
190 Posts
On March 16 2023 14:48 Waxangel wrote: The most mind-blowing thing about Korean media consumption compared to the USA is how mid-size scandals can actually inflict severe and long-lasting damage to viewership. Stuff that's a minor PR speedbump in the states could destroy someone's career in Korea if it picked up momentum. Yeah in America you guys have actual "politicians" with seats in congress spewing flat out 100% debunked lies to the public without any form of consequences, sitting over here in Scandinavia Europe we are scratching our heads wondering how that is even remotely possible to have that kind of behavior without getting removed from politics. USA aka Freedom to lie about anything regardless of what consequences it might have on human lives. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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TMNT
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KinoKuno
United States6 Posts
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KinoKuno
United States6 Posts
On March 17 2023 23:28 Drahkn wrote: Yeah in America you guys have actual "politicians" with seats in congress spewing flat out 100% debunked lies to the public without any form of consequences, sitting over here in Scandinavia Europe we are scratching our heads wondering how that is even remotely possible to have that kind of behavior without getting removed from politics. USA aka Freedom to lie about anything regardless of what consequences it might have on human lives. User was temp banned for this post. We are trying to defeat this ^^; | ||
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TT1
Canada10004 Posts
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Marl
United States692 Posts
On March 18 2023 01:10 TMNT wrote: I think he's only taken some time off. You know, as other streamers involved in that scandal had to experience some down time due to it, to "reflect on their sins". I think it's 6 months for Bisu. If Flash comes straight back after his military service, people would say that that effectively means he doesn't have to suffer any consequences despite him being the "mastermind" of the scam. It's not a nice picture he wants to paint himself is it? Probably the best time is the next ASL. is this determined by afreeca? they pretty much own everything since they have the power to ban players ie savior. | ||
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prosatan
Romania7967 Posts
On March 18 2023 03:32 TT1 wrote: hes on the run Happy Bday TT1 ! | ||
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TT1
Canada10004 Posts
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jinjin5000
United States1417 Posts
undisclosed paid advertisement is the outrage here. Korean YouTube also had similar scandal few years prior and this was the next progression/target after it I guess. But here we have advertisement/promotion but undisclosed involvement w/ personal stakes in the said product | ||
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nemu1
Bulgaria3 Posts
On March 20 2023 15:09 jinjin5000 wrote: I feel like people are kind of missing out that it's not because FlaSh did the initial investing that people are outraged about (well, a some people are but thats moot point) but it's rather the rather secretive/underhanded marketing campaign focused around influencers to promote the product without disclosing their involvement or investing/advertisement of it leading up to right before scandal is what people got mad about. undisclosed paid advertisement is the outrage here. Korean YouTube also had similar scandal few years prior and this was the next progression/target after it I guess. We all make mistakes... and will continue to make if we want to be Loving and Learning in our way to God... Or what ever Our Ideal understanding of Life might be. The Key Point for Me is always in 100% Admitting to oneself our own miss-steps as Truthfully as Humanly Possible. This Way... We take the Absolute fastest root into Self-Development. Throwing away Our Ego ToTally... Always... Grants us having the closest Perspective-View of Soul(Heart) and Spirit(God Consciousness) that was built WithIn Us as a Gift... as is Our Life in General... Regardless of Circumstances. But Yes... When It's someone the magnitude of Flash... It's Absolutely Crucial to be as Transparent As... Notice... Godly Possible.  This is what brother ZZZero should be mainly Improving On in the Future. Outside of murdering his whole Ego... Like I have atleast one Time... When I admitted Infront of our whole BSL Community... how I sinned in order to have food on my table... and sold my match vs Dewaltu in the BSL6 ro16.... Now... It was Nearly.... Impossible for anyone to catch Me... and I'm not Even close... to the recognition Flash Has... But the Reason it was Vital for Me to put Myself on a Cross For Everyone to See... Was Way Too Simple... I now not only Knew of countless times Top Korean Pro's have sold matches... But Also started Seeing HOW MUCH BSL MATCHES PEOPLE WERE SELLING...... All in All... We Must All Be EverForgiving... EverLoving... But First... Ever Admitting... Ever TruthFull... Atleast... Fully to Oneself... Else... We get lost in our own self... User was banned for this post. | ||
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