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On April 06 2023 14:00 prosatan wrote:
But why do people belive that starcraft streamers and AMAZING players are also good at finance ? I don't get it.
I only listen to a player if he tells something about starcraft and thats it !
Like fighters who stop competing and start talking about religion , money , politics etc. Mate, how is your opinion more entitled than anyone else ?
I love Jaedong with all my heart, but I will not buy a coin if he says so.
I will only buy something if it helps him directly and he admits. Then I'll do it in an instant, no problem ; i don't want anything in return nor do i want to earn some money later.
a lot of people can't think for themselves, and need other people to tell them what to think or do
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On April 07 2023 01:52 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2023 14:00 prosatan wrote:
But why do people belive that starcraft streamers and AMAZING players are also good at finance ? I don't get it.
I only listen to a player if he tells something about starcraft and thats it !
Like fighters who stop competing and start talking about religion , money , politics etc. Mate, how is your opinion more entitled than anyone else ?
I love Jaedong with all my heart, but I will not buy a coin if he says so.
I will only buy something if it helps him directly and he admits. Then I'll do it in an instant, no problem ; i don't want anything in return nor do i want to earn some money later.
a lot of people can't think for themselves, and need other people to tell them what to think or do
Yeah but to be fair we are not rational beings and it can be difficult ignore the weight of someone's word overall when they're such an authority in one specific area of life. Like Flash is with Brood War
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Does anybody have some information about where flash is? Is he coming back anytime soon? or is he really gone for good? =/
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On March 16 2023 22:34 Lorch wrote:
Biggest part about this "scandal" is that no one actually lost any money, so it's quite odd that people make such a big deal out of it.
I mean, if you intent to scam people and the only reason you don't is because it comes to daylight before anyone can get scammed, then it's still problematic, isn't it?
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jinjin can u plz get us an exclusive interview with flash? work ur magic, exclusive flash interview on JNN
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On May 06 2023 10:06 TT1 wrote:
jinjin can u plz get us an exclusive interview with flash? work ur magic, exclusive flash interview on JNN
? Only thing i can do is steal content sorry.
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I can't believe Flash's mom would do this
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Sure "his mom" such a great guy throwing his mother under the bus.
So sad, Terran's can't win Tournaments without him, right?
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Flush needs to stop being poosy. I'm ok with not having back if FanTa saves the race.
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On May 05 2023 21:53 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2023 22:34 Lorch wrote:
Biggest part about this "scandal" is that no one actually lost any money, so it's quite odd that people make such a big deal out of it. I mean, if you intent to scam people and the only reason you don't is because it comes to daylight before anyone can get scammed, then it's still problematic, isn't it?
Yes, an attempted crime is still a crime.
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If you ask me, letting us see him play again would be one good way of making amends.
He is the undoubted GOAT of BW and many people just want to see him play again. He did something really wrong and stupid, but he didn't kill a guy or s.th. One more sincere apology, and don't touch the crypto-topic or anything alike ever again.
He could just return on a smaller scale first to see how it's going, with gameplay focussed streaming, no ASL or spon-matches etc., but I wonder if that's possible, given the small size of the BW streamer community, how close they are and how big a name Flash is. Sure he would get dragged in in all kinds of awkward chats ever so often.
And maybe it's just not what he wants at this point, maybe he doesn't want to be in the spotlight again with this kind of thing in everyone's mind.
(But for god's sake: He could just make a smurf, get no1 ladder, and everyone knows it's him but he doesn't say a word. That'd be cool as a test balloon)
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On April 06 2024 01:05 Highgamer wrote:
If you ask me, letting us see him play again would be one good way of making amends.
He is the undoubted GOAT of BW and many people just want to see him play again. He did something really wrong and stupid, but he didn't kill a guy or s.th. One more sincere apology, and don't touch the crypto-topic or anything alike ever again.
He could just return on a smaller scale first to see how it's going, with gameplay focussed streaming, no ASL or spon-matches etc., but I wonder if that's possible, given the small size of the BW streamer community, how close they are and how big a name Flash is. Sure he would get dragged in in all kinds of awkward chats ever so often.
And maybe it's just not what he wants at this point, maybe he doesn't want to be in the spotlight again with this kind of thing in everyone's mind.
(But for god's sake: He could just make a smurf, get no1 ladder, and everyone knows it's him but he doesn't say a word. That'd be cool as a test balloon)
Alternatively fuck that noise. Only reason anyone is giving him any benefit of the doubt is he’s prenaturally gifted at BW to an absurd degree
Folks wanna see Flash do his thing end of the day.
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On April 06 2024 07:47 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2024 01:05 Highgamer wrote:
If you ask me, letting us see him play again would be one good way of making amends.
He is the undoubted GOAT of BW and many people just want to see him play again. He did something really wrong and stupid, but he didn't kill a guy or s.th. One more sincere apology, and don't touch the crypto-topic or anything alike ever again.
He could just return on a smaller scale first to see how it's going, with gameplay focussed streaming, no ASL or spon-matches etc., but I wonder if that's possible, given the small size of the BW streamer community, how close they are and how big a name Flash is. Sure he would get dragged in in all kinds of awkward chats ever so often.
And maybe it's just not what he wants at this point, maybe he doesn't want to be in the spotlight again with this kind of thing in everyone's mind.
(But for god's sake: He could just make a smurf, get no1 ladder, and everyone knows it's him but he doesn't say a word. That'd be cool as a test balloon) Alternatively fuck that noise. Only reason anyone is giving him any benefit of the doubt is he’s prenaturally gifted at BW to an absurd degree Folks wanna see Flash do his thing end of the day.
That "noise" is called weighing our knowledge about a person's whole life - instead of zealously hating them for the rest of time because they once did something wrong.
It's not only about Flash's skill and "superstars get away with everything" (which they don't, as Flash's example proves).
More like:
Here we have a gifted player, in the spotlight since he was a kid, proven to be working incredibly hard for years and years under enormous pressure, giving us countless hours of supreme entertainment, all that while building up a reputation of a humble person with good sportsmanship.
If you ask me, that's something to give him a bit of credit for...
As he starts streaming, we see more that he's also just a young man with big money and quite an ego (if you're looking for angels, go to heaven), then he does this one big mistake out of greed and suddenly some people can only go "Bring the pitchforks!!!".
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There may well be another side of this story: Flash could well go doing something else in his life, something which is really big and worth his effort, possibly even more than streaming BW games. It's very often many people assume that someone highly capable about one certain thing - can only ever be a major figure only if doing that same thing, for entirety of their life. Not the case - plenty examples when world-class players go do "something else" and end up being even more successful, there. For example, Alireza Firouzja, a super-GM and one of top-10 chess players in the world? Didn't quit playing chess yet, but went for a career in clothing design in the same time. He's hella young, and quite soon he may well stop playing and go clothing designing full-time. And clothing designers usually don't stream, you know. And even get pretty secretive about their works - so that other, competing clothing designers wouldn't steal their original ideas.
Could it be Flash simply did something similar - i.e., chose a different career, one which for this or that respectable reason is not about, or possibly even against, having public's attention to it? Perhaps he went financial consultant for the super-rich, for example? Do we even know what he's doing nowadays?
I'd seek answers to these questions 1st and foremost before trying to figure out what's what about Flash today, for sure.
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if flash was doing something completely different career wise and was not considering returning to streaming at all, we would already know. his colleagues would no doubt know about this and would have told fans already that flash has shut the door on streaming for whatever reason.
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Northern Ireland27451 Posts
On April 06 2024 15:11 Highgamer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2024 07:47 WombaT wrote:On April 06 2024 01:05 Highgamer wrote:
If you ask me, letting us see him play again would be one good way of making amends.
He is the undoubted GOAT of BW and many people just want to see him play again. He did something really wrong and stupid, but he didn't kill a guy or s.th. One more sincere apology, and don't touch the crypto-topic or anything alike ever again.
He could just return on a smaller scale first to see how it's going, with gameplay focussed streaming, no ASL or spon-matches etc., but I wonder if that's possible, given the small size of the BW streamer community, how close they are and how big a name Flash is. Sure he would get dragged in in all kinds of awkward chats ever so often.
And maybe it's just not what he wants at this point, maybe he doesn't want to be in the spotlight again with this kind of thing in everyone's mind.
(But for god's sake: He could just make a smurf, get no1 ladder, and everyone knows it's him but he doesn't say a word. That'd be cool as a test balloon) Alternatively fuck that noise. Only reason anyone is giving him any benefit of the doubt is he’s prenaturally gifted at BW to an absurd degree Folks wanna see Flash do his thing end of the day. That "noise" is called weighing our knowledge about a person's whole life - instead of zealously hating them for the rest of time because they once did something wrong. It's not only about Flash's skill and "superstars get away with everything" (which they don't, as Flash's example proves). More like: Here we have a gifted player, in the spotlight since he was a kid, proven to be working incredibly hard for years and years under enormous pressure, giving us countless hours of supreme entertainment, all that while building up a reputation of a humble person with good sportsmanship. If you ask me, that's something to give him a bit of credit for... As he starts streaming, we see more that he's also just a young man with big money and quite an ego (if you're looking for angels, go to heaven), then he does this one big mistake out of greed and suddenly some people can only go "Bring the pitchforks!!!".
He did do a pretty shitty thing, people are rightfully annoyed.
I absolutely agree he should be able to come back and do his thing, as to how that would look I’d be unsure. I’m not a fan of a lifetime of exile for a mistake, or ill-judgement at all.
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On April 06 2024 23:30 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2024 15:11 Highgamer wrote:On April 06 2024 07:47 WombaT wrote:On April 06 2024 01:05 Highgamer wrote:
If you ask me, letting us see him play again would be one good way of making amends.
He is the undoubted GOAT of BW and many people just want to see him play again. He did something really wrong and stupid, but he didn't kill a guy or s.th. One more sincere apology, and don't touch the crypto-topic or anything alike ever again.
He could just return on a smaller scale first to see how it's going, with gameplay focussed streaming, no ASL or spon-matches etc., but I wonder if that's possible, given the small size of the BW streamer community, how close they are and how big a name Flash is. Sure he would get dragged in in all kinds of awkward chats ever so often.
And maybe it's just not what he wants at this point, maybe he doesn't want to be in the spotlight again with this kind of thing in everyone's mind.
(But for god's sake: He could just make a smurf, get no1 ladder, and everyone knows it's him but he doesn't say a word. That'd be cool as a test balloon) Alternatively fuck that noise. Only reason anyone is giving him any benefit of the doubt is he’s prenaturally gifted at BW to an absurd degree Folks wanna see Flash do his thing end of the day. That "noise" is called weighing our knowledge about a person's whole life - instead of zealously hating them for the rest of time because they once did something wrong. It's not only about Flash's skill and "superstars get away with everything" (which they don't, as Flash's example proves). More like: Here we have a gifted player, in the spotlight since he was a kid, proven to be working incredibly hard for years and years under enormous pressure, giving us countless hours of supreme entertainment, all that while building up a reputation of a humble person with good sportsmanship. If you ask me, that's something to give him a bit of credit for... As he starts streaming, we see more that he's also just a young man with big money and quite an ego (if you're looking for angels, go to heaven), then he does this one big mistake out of greed and suddenly some people can only go "Bring the pitchforks!!!". He did do a pretty shitty thing, people are rightfully annoyed. I absolutely agree he should be able to come back and do his thing, as to how that would look I’d be unsure. I’m not a fan of a lifetime of exile for a mistake, or ill-judgement at all.
Oh sorry. No native speaker here, I had to look up "fuck that noise" (phrase to show strong disagreement with a statement/opinion), and I thought you were completely disagreeing with my whole post's message of "yes, really bad move and rightful anger at that, but given repentance is shown, he shouldn't be an outcast for ever more".
Given my misunderstanding, I thought your last sentence about people wanting to see him play was sarcasm (as in "people don't care as long as famous person plays well/is pretty/is entertaining" etc..)
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Assuming Flash has committed an offense (which I think is debatable), it would be outside of his SC career, but within his streaming career. I think that's part of the reason why it's difficult for some people to let him to make a full return.
If I recall correctly Flash was also accused of not owning up to his mistake, and that could also play into it. It makes sense that he wouldn't admit to a crime, because he wasn't involved in criminal behavior. That complicates matters, as there are always people who are unwilling to make a distinction.
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Northern Ireland27451 Posts
On April 07 2024 01:54 Highgamer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2024 23:30 WombaT wrote:On April 06 2024 15:11 Highgamer wrote:On April 06 2024 07:47 WombaT wrote:On April 06 2024 01:05 Highgamer wrote:
If you ask me, letting us see him play again would be one good way of making amends.
He is the undoubted GOAT of BW and many people just want to see him play again. He did something really wrong and stupid, but he didn't kill a guy or s.th. One more sincere apology, and don't touch the crypto-topic or anything alike ever again.
He could just return on a smaller scale first to see how it's going, with gameplay focussed streaming, no ASL or spon-matches etc., but I wonder if that's possible, given the small size of the BW streamer community, how close they are and how big a name Flash is. Sure he would get dragged in in all kinds of awkward chats ever so often.
And maybe it's just not what he wants at this point, maybe he doesn't want to be in the spotlight again with this kind of thing in everyone's mind.
(But for god's sake: He could just make a smurf, get no1 ladder, and everyone knows it's him but he doesn't say a word. That'd be cool as a test balloon) Alternatively fuck that noise. Only reason anyone is giving him any benefit of the doubt is he’s prenaturally gifted at BW to an absurd degree Folks wanna see Flash do his thing end of the day. That "noise" is called weighing our knowledge about a person's whole life - instead of zealously hating them for the rest of time because they once did something wrong. It's not only about Flash's skill and "superstars get away with everything" (which they don't, as Flash's example proves). More like: Here we have a gifted player, in the spotlight since he was a kid, proven to be working incredibly hard for years and years under enormous pressure, giving us countless hours of supreme entertainment, all that while building up a reputation of a humble person with good sportsmanship. If you ask me, that's something to give him a bit of credit for... As he starts streaming, we see more that he's also just a young man with big money and quite an ego (if you're looking for angels, go to heaven), then he does this one big mistake out of greed and suddenly some people can only go "Bring the pitchforks!!!". He did do a pretty shitty thing, people are rightfully annoyed. I absolutely agree he should be able to come back and do his thing, as to how that would look I’d be unsure. I’m not a fan of a lifetime of exile for a mistake, or ill-judgement at all. Oh sorry. No native speaker here, I had to look up "fuck that noise" (phrase to show strong disagreement with a statement/opinion), and I thought you were completely disagreeing with my whole post's message of "yes, really bad move and rightful anger at that, but given repentance is shown, he shouldn't be an outcast for ever more". Given my misunderstanding, I thought your last sentence about people wanting to see him play was sarcasm (as in "people don't care as long as famous person plays well/is pretty/is entertaining" etc..)
As someone monolingual, and also who doesn’t always explain himself well, can’t complain!
My issue is more that as a society we tend to be more forgiving of exceptional talent, for very understandable reasons.
In the StarCraft context people will bemoan the absence of a Savior or a Life, you rarely see folks making a case for the less talented players permabanned.
Not quite the same scenario here of course. I’ve no particular issue with a Flash return, but just not on the basis of him being incredible at Brood War. Indeed one can argue he was only in a position to hawk crypto to his fans by virtue of a rather unimpeachable status within the game, and with great influence comes greater responsibility.
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