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Zergiica
Croatia125 Posts
savior did so much and ruined everything, bisu gave a bit of hope for toss and changed state of the game. and yes, if we look what all of them did, jaedong is 2nd best. but, when you think about it, jaedong and flash came when game was polished and just did what is known much faster and better. they didn't changed anything or brought anything new as so many before them did. right? | ||
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ppp87
Laos250 Posts
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Puosu
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NoobSkills
United States1597 Posts
On November 09 2022 01:57 Zergiica wrote: iloveoov would achive much more if he wasn't injured, he had unique style and was ahead of his time. i loved him. xellos was the fastest but shined for a short time. savior did so much and ruined everything, bisu gave a bit of hope for toss and changed state of the game. and yes, if we look what all of them did, jaedong is 2nd best. but, when you think about it, jaedong and flash came when game was polished and just did what is known much faster and better. they didn't changed anything or brought anything new as so many before them did. right? I'm not sure who I would vote for as the definitive second best player of all time. I would want to vote for Effort, but it probably isn't him, but he has given probably the best games out of any pro player over a very long time. But arguably several other have done more. Now as for your comment on JD/Flash. While they didn't invent the builds and strategies, NOBODY did what they did with the same exact builds. They expanded on them, improved them, molded them into the new builds using the old base strategy. They also made 2/3 base pushes that have never been seen before. I wouldn't even pretend now that the upcoming new class of BW solely uses what flash/JD/Bisu invented, they all have their own styles, but the meta normal builds still belong to those two even if they existed before their rise to stardom. | ||
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines525 Posts
On November 08 2022 23:47 TMNT wrote: I guess it all depends on the definition of "greatest" but if we're talking about "all time" then none of the old bonjwas should be in the conversation as they simply don't play in the modern era. That leaves us with either Jaedong or Bisu really. Then it has to be Bisu since Jaedong has declined into somewhat a mid-tier Zerg even before his military service. Bisu not even being in the poll makes me think that the pollmaker hasn't followed the BW scene since 2017. yeah, in terms of skill it has to be bisu. he was a top player BEFORE flash/jaedong, and to this day is still a ro4 contender... and this is coming from a zerg player that idolized jaedong | ||
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Miragee
8466 Posts
On November 09 2022 01:36 CicadaSC wrote: I don't think Flash is the best, and post kespa era, while still competitive, should not be taken seriously and disregarded from the conversation. I don't really like Flash and his playstyle but it's honestly undeniable he is the only player who dominated for an extended period of time in both Kespa and post-Kespa era. Before he quit ASL, ASL became quite boring for me because he was so strong every other contender needed a miracle to take him down. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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prosatan
Romania7720 Posts
On November 09 2022 05:12 Geo.Rion wrote: it's clearly Nada but Boxer probably did more for SC in general, becoming mainstream and being percieved as cool. So with that in mind, i naturally voted Jaedong.  | ||
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
2. nada 3. iloveoov/boxer/jd 4. iloveoov/boxer/jd 5. iloveoov/boxer/jd 3/4/5 interchangeable depending on which metric you value more (results, pure skill/skill relative to peers, innovation etc) | ||
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Szinkler
Hungary394 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32269 Posts
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Xeln4g4
Italy1208 Posts
On November 09 2022 01:36 CicadaSC wrote: I don't think Flash is the best, and post kespa era, while still competitive, should not be taken seriously and disregarded from the conversation. somehow a good point, but still none was ever so dominant and able to win a major league playing random for eccessive dominance with his main race. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1706 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24279 Posts
On November 09 2022 05:03 Miragee wrote: I don't really like Flash and his playstyle but it's honestly undeniable he is the only player who dominated for an extended period of time in both Kespa and post-Kespa era. Before he quit ASL, ASL became quite boring for me because he was so strong every other contender needed a miracle to take him down. Unless we do a (which I frequently do) ‘it’s too hard to compare across eras’ fudge, I don’t really see how there’s any other candidate for #1 than Flash. Number two gets trickier as a result I guess. How do you weigh being a more dominant player before Flash ascended vs being a bit less so but going toe to toe with prime Flash? | ||
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic613 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
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XenOsky
Chile2215 Posts
On November 09 2022 02:49 Puosu wrote: NaDa and its not even close | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49781 Posts
On November 09 2022 06:44 IntoTheWow wrote: iloveoov I'd say oov is the giant who's shoulder everyone else stands on, if only his wrists didn't fuck him over he'd have more gold too. | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
515 Posts
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