EPTWho is the SECOND greatest StarCraft: Brood War player of…
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Volka
Argentina408 Posts
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CHEONSOYUN
517 Posts
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
On November 29 2022 13:10 CHEONSOYUN wrote: i love jaedong but he definitely does not have enough accolades over nada. He probably would have more if it wasn’t for flash… | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines527 Posts
On November 16 2022 19:08 Elroi wrote: 2. Jaedong 3. Moustach zerg 4. Pirate zerg 5. Oz sucks without me ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/0UAEi.jpg) | ||
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Miragee
8493 Posts
Do you have the original meme at hand? | ||
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prosatan
Romania7937 Posts
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/90341-pics-hwaseung-oz-new-recruits | ||
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Miragee
8493 Posts
On December 03 2022 22:46 prosatan wrote: https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/90341-pics-hwaseung-oz-new-recruits Thank you but I meant the unaltered one without Oz being painted over with EG.  | ||
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G5
United States2898 Posts
On November 14 2022 19:28 TMNT wrote: No disrespect to the old legends but I don't know how anyone can write off the post-Kespa era as if it didn't exist, while in fact none of Boxer, Nada, Oov, July, Savior,... even competed/was able to compete in this era. Flash the God himself even said that his Kespa version would lose to his modern version due to the fully developed meta nowadays. In other words, the old legends couldn't keep up with the demand of modern competitive BW. Take Nada for example. He couldn't even qualify for ASL when he was at the same age as Bisu now - the latter still a top 8 player at the moment. Imo the old legends should belong to a group called most influential or most talented players, they are nowhere near the greatest or the best. Like in tennis the GOAT is either Federer/Nadal/Djokovic - not the guy who invented the backhand or something like that. As a tennis player, I love that you used that analogy. However, in tennis you are judged by Grand Slam Wins which is why Rod Laver, Pete Samprass, Bjorn Borg, etc. are all in the conversation of greatest tennis players in history despite them playing in a different era with a different style (largely serve and volley / chip and charge). Likewise, in StarCraft you are judged by the amount of StarLeague wins you have, which is why people name FlaSh, NaDa, etc. as the greatest players ever. The problem with the Federer/Nadal/Djokovic argument is that although they are all in the modern era of tennis, they also all have the most grand slam wins by quite a large margin. Andy Murray would have probably dominated plenty of eras but because he was in the Federer/Nadal/Djokovic era, we don't talk about him as a top 10 of all-time player because he was denied so many grand slam wins. Outside of FlaSh, there really isn't a modern SC player that wins in this era and has dominated consistently. That's why when we talk about the best, we talk about some players from the distant past because they were so dominant and have so many major StarLeague wins. P.S. I will also say that IMO many players like NaDa, sAviOr, JulyZerg, Jaedong, Stork, etc. would do quite fine in the current post-KeSPA era if they kept playing and training like they did back in the day. Most took loooooong SC2 breaks or straight up retired and if they did come back, it was rather half-heartedly done in order to fuel streaming numbers more than anything. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Im pretty convinced this is the correct choice without any bias (metric: skill, talent, success,dominance; titels,stats longevity, ect..) On November 22 2022 05:55 XenOsky wrote: what? Pele would destroy messi any day 1v1 skills-wise... Barcelona had a lot to do with Messi being so successfull and well liked.. Pele used both legs, had a crazy head game, amazing dribling skills and was a REAL captain for Santos and Brasil. He was the ultimate hard carry in futbols history. Messi is prob #3 or #4 best in history... he can get #2 if argentina doesnt shit the bed this WC. You sir and I dont mean this in an offensive way.. are bat shit insane. There is not a sigle player in hisotry that even comes close to being able to do what messi does 1v1 skill wise. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8633 Posts
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Agh
United States914 Posts
Conceptually Artosis holds this spot though. | ||
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prosatan
Romania7937 Posts
On December 05 2022 15:58 Agh wrote: Flash -> JD -> Bisu -> Nada Conceptually Artosis holds this spot though. Conceptually 2500 MMR | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
RAIN This is the person who no matter which game he picked (sc or SC2), he instantly went to the grand finals. Even after a huge pause away from the SC universe. Rain is the only true choice after Flash. Not to mention all the obstacles on Rain's road throughout the years (family, health, etc). | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
517 Posts
But you can’t say greatest just because he placed high whenever he pauses being a variety streamer. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
On December 06 2022 00:50 CHEONSOYUN wrote: I think Rain COULD have easily been the second greatest or given Flash a run for his money if SC2 hadn’t come out. But that did not happen. But you can’t say greatest just because he placed high whenever he pauses being a variety streamer. How many 'variety streamers' do we know that got to the GFs of ASL/GSL/whatever he participated in and completely changed the PvP narrative from being a "cointoss match up" to "rain > all"? I personally don't remember anyone being so solid and unbeatable in any given match up for such a long time. That is just to say how silly this thread is... | ||
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Miragee
8493 Posts
On December 06 2022 01:17 BlueStar wrote: How many 'variety streamers' do we know that got to the GFs of ASL/GSL/whatever he participated in and completely changed the PvP narrative from being a "cointoss match up" to "rain > all"? I personally don't remember anyone being so solid and unbeatable in any given match up for such a long time. That is just to say how silly this thread is... Are you talking about BW or SC2. In BW I would argue he was one of the up-and-coming players at the end of the Kespa-era but never got the chance to really shine. While he was extremely solid when he came back to BW (multiple times) he never dominated over a long period of time. Maybe because his activity fluctuated massively all the time, who knows. He is obviously extremely talented but as far as BW goes he is more of a "could have been". There were a bunch of players were really dominant in certain match ups or considered almost unbeatable. That statement is certainly true for a number of players named in this thread. Jaedong for example was rocking a >80 % in ZvZ back in 2009, a match up that is considerably more "coin flip" than PvP. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
I mean does anyone have more titles/success than Nada? Except Flash (who is nr1?) | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
Overall - trash poll. In the end, it generates activity, so mods should be happy | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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EndingLife
United States1593 Posts
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