EPTWould be fun to get back into Brood War with the feature I've been waiting for since the remaster launch, but I'm so rusty since I stopped playing, I probably get reported for "throwing" all the time.
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shin ken
Germany612 Posts
Would be fun to get back into Brood War with the feature I've been waiting for since the remaster launch, but I'm so rusty since I stopped playing, I probably get reported for "throwing" all the time. | ||
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oxKnu
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On December 16 2021 04:01 ox.tQ wrote: I think more people can certainly afford to make a one-time donation of $1 or $5 to these highly impactful community-oriented projects which benefit everyone and the game. The money in itself is not as important as the gesture. If someone participates in events like BSL and/or watches their streams 24/7 and has never donated even a single dollar, that is a (free rider) problem in my opinion, especially when they purport to care about the game and state of the community. The same would apply to SB if it serves the mass community and enhances game experiences. More people need to stop being selfish, cheap and lazy and support these vital projects. Real life is always a numbers game. Unfortunately that truth applies more often than we'd like to admit. Close to 80% of the viewers of those twitch steamers that make millions every year also don't donate one dime (and for years, as you'd put it) and yet that doesn't matter. Just as that is a reality, so is the fact that community values sometimes don't translate where you'd want them to. Not to cut off anyone's spirit, but it's worth noting these things every now and again rather than continue flogging a dead horse. I'd flip that into something else: "How many of the people willing to put up a 3 dollar donation for one of these events think that that can actually make a difference?" Food for thought... | ||
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ox.tQ
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Agreed. shin ken, It's similar to 1v1 ladder on battlenet. SB 2v2 ladder will try to pair you up with an ally (if you need a random public partner) and opponents who are similar to you in rating and ping. If the system has trouble doing that, only then will it try to match you with people who have different ratings and pings. So there will hopefully be players of different skill levels. 2v2 SB ladder has its own modified elo system. Points are won or lost based on the ratings of your opponents. So high rated teams will receive few points for beating much lower rated teams. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12238 Posts
On December 16 2021 08:30 shin ken wrote: Is a certain level of play expected to queue into 2v2 matchmaking? Would be fun to get back into Brood War with the feature I've been waiting for since the remaster launch, but I'm so rusty since I stopped playing, I probably get reported for "throwing" all the time. The ruleset that the current core model follows is: inexperience > inactivity > ping > search time > rating closeness (and the overall search range is governed by a player's uncertainty). The current 2v2 model expands this by also factoring in whether the team is prearranged or individuals and applying an applicable matchmaking handicap. Since we've had a lot of new accounts generated in anticipation of 2v2 matchmaking, you should not expect your first few matches to be perfect since all of those new accounts will start out at the same seed rating and need a number of games to spread out until they land where they belong. Naturally, as with any first pass, we'll be monitoring closely and collecting match data to confirm whether the model is behaving appropriately and preparing adjustments in cases where it isn't. | ||
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banga_ph
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lost dedicated
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On December 16 2021 18:51 banga_ph wrote:If we can get some high profile personalities, like Artosis/Tasteless, in the SC scene to promote SD in their streams who knows how much it could potentially help out. Even getting streamers to do test runs for 2v2 livestream could be what the community needs to spark interest and financial support for Shield Battery. a lot of people have donated and chatted to artosis about shieldbattery but he seems to ignore it every time | ||
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earob84
Germany175 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6739 Posts
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oxKnu
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On December 16 2021 18:51 banga_ph wrote: I think the financial support is there, the community driven Tastosis Patreon to fund their continued casting of ASL is proof of this. I myself am a member of the patreon and the contribution currently stands at about $11,000 USD a month! If we can get some high profile personalities, like Artosis/Tasteless, in the SC scene to promote SD in their streams who knows how much it could potentially help out. Even getting streamers to do test runs for 2v2 livestream could be what the community needs to spark interest and financial support for Shield Battery. I think those numbers are coming from SC2 fans and simply put, fans of the two, unlikely that those are congruent with BW fans. But yeah, an Arto + Tasteless 2v2 stream might be interesting and nice promotion. Also you have to consider that these guys get paychecks from Blizzard (through Afreeca) for their SC2 casts so there might be a good reason why they avoid talking about ShieldBattery. You never wanna anger BigCorp. Because in case they want to create some special SC event, Tastosis are in prime position to get the casting gig, you don't want to throw away that lucrative one-time thing out the window for some random take on stream. | ||
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banga_ph
Philippines45 Posts
On December 16 2021 22:53 oxKnu wrote: I think those numbers are coming from SC2 fans and simply put, fans of the two, unlikely that those are congruent with BW fans. But yeah, an Arto + Tasteless 2v2 stream might be interesting and nice promotion. Also you have to consider that these guys get paychecks from Blizzard (through Afreeca) for their SC2 casts so there might be a good reason why they avoid talking about ShieldBattery. You never wanna anger BigCorp. Because in case they want to create some special SC event, Tastosis are in prime position to get the casting gig, you don't want to throw away that lucrative one-time thing out the window for some random take on stream. The Tastosis Patreon was specifically made for ASL casting which is a BW only tournament so I highly doubt any SC2 fan would sink their money to support it month after month. I also believe underestimating the passion people have for a game is a mistake. Both Artosis and Tasteless could have walked away immediately when they were let go by Afreeca but they didn't and instead reached out to the BW community for support so they could continue the English casting for ASL. Well numbers don't lie as you got $11,000/month to prove that support. As much as we all want to diss Blizzard for what they have or have not done for BW, we need to realize they own this IP product. Blizzard can do whatever they want with it. Do you believe Shield Battery is flying under their radar unnoticed? Anything that you do relating to SC:R they can pull the plug on if they so choose to even if you doing it literally for free... but they have not for SD. So no, Tastosis talking or live streaming 2v2 on Shield Battery would have no relevance to them angering BigCorp or missing out on a chance to land a gig for a fantasy mega SC:R event in the near future (I wish) as it seems even big bad Blizzard doesn't care about Shield Battery being around. Fun fact... they know. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26013 Posts
People are good at putting their hands in the pockets if it’s a binary thing. Either we get x money and we do the thing, or we don’t and don’t do that content. I would assume that general community projects that are ongoing efforts it’s a little different. Unless they’re consistently asking for money there’s a temptation to assume they don’t need it, or some other donor will cover it. | ||
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oxKnu
1239 Posts
On December 16 2021 23:44 banga_ph wrote: The Tastosis Patreon was specifically made for ASL casting which is a BW only tournament so I highly doubt any SC2 fan would sink their money to support it month after month. I also believe underestimating the passion people have for a game is a mistake. Both Artosis and Tasteless could have walked away immediately when they were let go by Afreeca but they didn't and instead reached out to the BW community for support so they could continue the English casting for ASL. Well numbers don't lie as you got $11,000/month to prove that support. As much as we all want to diss Blizzard for what they have or have not done for BW, we need to realize they own this IP product. Blizzard can do whatever they want with it. Do you believe Shield Battery is flying under their radar unnoticed? Anything that you do relating to SC:R they can pull the plug on if they so choose to even if you doing it literally for free... but they have not for SD. So no, Tastosis talking or live streaming 2v2 on Shield Battery would have no relevance to them angering BigCorp or missing out on a chance to land a gig for a fantasy mega SC:R event in the near future (I wish) as it seems even big bad Blizzard doesn't care about Shield Battery being around. Fun fact... they know. Totally disagree with your first statement there. There are many people that primarily watch and follow SC2 and also like to tune in for ASL but not more than that. BW casuals if you want. Those people chimed in because of Tastosis, not because of ASL solely. Had that Patreon been started by Scan or Nyoken no one would have chimed in although that's arguably far better commentary for ASL. Both Artosis and Tasteless had previous Patreons running before the Afreeca split for ASL, so them trying out that idea to see how much they can get is not really some out of the box idea, let's be real here. And they do seem to enjoy casting SC more than SC2 so why not? I never implied Blizzard was completely misinformed, just shit at being a game publishing company for SC:R, and us being caught in the middle of that. | ||
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oxKnu
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On December 16 2021 23:52 WombaT wrote: I think the Tastosis Patreon was a little different. People are good at putting their hands in the pockets if it’s a binary thing. Either we get x money and we do the thing, or we don’t and don’t do that content. I would assume that general community projects that are ongoing efforts it’s a little different. Unless they’re consistently asking for money there’s a temptation to assume they don’t need it, or some other donor will cover it. Very good point actually. A hypothetical would be If somehow the SB team would say something like: We need 6 months to achieve this feature (I dunno, something like global TR16 Low latency) and we would need 15K to finance that. It only takes like 1-2 people 'with money' to make that possible.And this actually happens quite a bit with kickstarter projects in the R&D field. Mainly because there's a lot of genuine: well if you can do it, GG, here's your money. Stretch goal type (kickstarter like) things do seem to have larger success rate than anything else. (for serious work/goals) | ||
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Jealous
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On December 17 2021 00:09 oxKnu wrote: Very good point actually. A hypothetical would be If somehow the SB team would say something like: We need 6 months to achieve this feature (I dunno, something like global TR16 Low latency) and we would need 15K to finance that. It only takes like 1-2 people 'with money' to make that possible.And this actually happens quite a bit with kickstarter projects in the R&D field. Mainly because there's a lot of genuine: well if you can do it, GG, here's your money. Stretch goal type (kickstarter like) things do seem to have larger success rate than anything else. (for serious work/goals) I think you alluded to the more significant core difference between the two projects in an earlier post. It's the cult of personality + the casual viewer/user, not the type of goals put forward IMO. I am willing to bet that the majority of people who watch Tastosis don't play either BW or SC2. They watch them more like a podcast with a visual aid, more or less. They listen for the personalities involved, the storytelling, and the bants, and once in a while something cool happens onscreen and you get some hype. It's a pretty solid deal. It doesn't require anything out of you and you can enjoy it for free, so it has a greater potential for mass appeal. Plus, a lot of them are nostalgic people who used to play back in the day but are now older and make money, so to them giving back to Tastosis (who were around during said person's tumultuous youth/college career and provided them with entertainment when they were broke and hung over) is not a giant leap to make. Compare that with funding SB. First of all, casuals won't know anything about SB or why it is useful. "Why don't you just play on the official servers?" Second of all, casuals won't care because in order to enjoy SB, you need to actually use it by playing the game, which the majority of the people behind Tastosis' Patreon likely don't do. Third, it unfortunately may have been different if it was Tastosis as the "face" of this project, but people outside of TL likely don't know who tec27 or 2Pacalypse are, and thus they don't care and if they see it come up they will be like "Literally who?" Finally, competitive 2v2 hasn't been a thing in 15 years on the pro level outside of showmatches so that further dampens any potential interest. It's not like funding SB because they developed 2v2 results in some measurable outcome for the donor, like x hours of content or y tournaments casted. For most people who donated to Tastosis', considering the amount of impact that donating for SB would have on their lives, it's the equivalent of dumping money into a void and forgetting about it. So, TLDR there are a lot of reasons why the whole "Well Tastosis raised $11k/month to deliver weeks-outdated casts despite there being higher skilled casters doing it for free and on time so SB can get a lot of funding also" argument doesn't really hold water. Sure, a relatively smaller amount of people may be interested in supporting with $1-5 as ox.tQ said (the optics on that is arguable, but that's a different line of discussion). But banga_ph bringing up Tastosis' fundraiser is like comparing apples to oranges and makes no sense in this context. | ||
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oxKnu
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The Korean audience seems to be into these random team games (more like streamer battles rather than anything BW try-hard related) so that avenue should be worth a shot in pursuing. Maybe some of the Korean speakers around these forums can do some small-scale advertising for SB. It seems like popular streamers for other games there that occasionally try BW for some fun games could actually use this. | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9517 Posts
 - https://www.patreon.com/tec27He's currently working on SB fulltime, but that can't last forever! | ||
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ox.tQ
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On December 17 2021 01:32 2Pacalypse- wrote: While we're on the subject of funding and donations, let me drop a link to tec's patreon page again - https://www.patreon.com/tec27He's currently working on SB fulltime, but that can't last forever! ++++++++++++++++++++ SB 2V2 LADDER IS UP eonzerg and bonyth (among others) are currently streaming smooth ass 2v2 ranked games on there! https://www.twitch.tv/imeonzerg https://www.twitch.tv/bonyth | ||
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tec27
United States3702 Posts
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