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Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States928 Posts
October 09 2020 20:17 GMT
#41
On October 09 2020 23:27 Highgamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2020 20:37 Avi-Love wrote:
On October 09 2020 19:17 Highgamer wrote:
I understand the grief for Sylphid.

But all this hate for FS... It's like the sun of the map-pool planetary system. You don't know what you owe this map. Accept it already, it's gonna be in there forever.

Plasma though... it's like they want to set up an obstacle course, then tie everyone's feet together and see what happens...


I don't really understand this sentiment, by your logic we should also have Lost Temple, Luna and Python in the map pool because they all played a similar role as FS historically? The map is outdated, outplayed, imbalanced and basically not used in any serious league, it's time to let it go like we did the previously mentioned maps.

Well, you wrote "sentiment" before you thought about my possible logic - and I think it has to do with sentiments, and it's normal that one doesn't understand all the sentiments/opinions of others because they're personal.
I just don't mind to keep the same 2-3 bread n butter maps in the pool for now.
FS's features just feel standard to me, that's personal, too. Has to do with when I picked up the game. I like Sylphid, but the lack of ramps, the 3rds' placements, the 3player-setup... not my idea of a standard BW-map.

So, I don't feel that FS or CB are outdated/outplayed, we just differ in opinion here. Many sports are played on the same kind of playing field forever... Some people want changes after a while, some don't.

But even "by my logic" I would not have to want LT and Python - because those are clearly imbalanced, on a whole different scale than FS might be slightly imbalanced. I consider FS to be the so far last of these maps that might have played a central role, so it has a special standing in that line at this point.

And as far as the doubtful balance of FS and decreasing use in pro-play is concerned: That is one argument, but another is that simple/standard macro maps make it easier for newcomers to figure things out. I came to BW in 2011 and was really happy that 90% of the games in the next 5+ years were played on FS, lol.


FS is horribly imbalanced for zergs lol.
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Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States928 Posts
October 09 2020 20:20 GMT
#42
On October 10 2020 04:44 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2020 04:25 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
ooofff.. removing Neo Sylphid is an absolutely terrible move. That was a really fun and balanced map. Adding Plasma.. idk.. i love me some non-standard maps but idk about this one on the ladder. Nobody will play it, too lazy.

fucking FS/CB are in as usual.. just throw one of these out already, please..

Ringing Bloom is a big meh. I would like Shakuras Temple more.

All in all - a pretty bad map pool to be honest

EVERYONE is going to veto plasma so don't even bother mentioning it. then you have 3 of the same maps, so you pick 1 i guess. and you lose sylphid. idk where they are going with this


Honestly doubt these developers even play the game.. otherwise they would keep CB/SYLPHID/Polypoid as standard 3 maps since FS is god awful garbage
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LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1809 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-09 20:21:51
October 09 2020 20:21 GMT
#43
I think the map pool is actually decent.
That's what we have the 3 vetoes for. I simply vetoed Plasma, CB and FS, and all is good.
LML
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
October 09 2020 23:19 GMT
#44
I personally veto CB and FS.
I am really tired of this two maps.

They are really good maps, but man, what is too much is too much
Sic iter ad astra
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
October 10 2020 11:46 GMT
#45
bring back nostalgia but add a gas to the natural. call it neo nostalgia le-xd
get rich or die mining
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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
October 10 2020 11:59 GMT
#46
Map pool:

2018 Season 1 25/07 (dd/mm)
(2) Blue Storm
(2) Polaris Rhapsody
(2) Heart Break Ridge 2.1
(3) Aztec 2.1
(4) Roadkill 1.13
(4) Fighting Spirit
(4) Circuit Breaker

2018 Season 2 02/10
(2) Benzene 1.1
(2) Heart Break Ridge 2.1
(3) Aztec 2.1
(4) Circuit Breakers 1.0
(4) Fighting Spirit 1.3
(4) In the Way of an Eddy 1.05
(4) Roadkill 1.13

2019 Season 1 03/02
(2) Cross Game
(2) Overwatch
(3) Neo Medusa
(4) Circuit Breaker
(4) Colosseum II
(4) Fighting Spirit
(4) Neo Ground Zero

2019 Season 2 10/07
(2) Overwatch
(2) Tres Pass
(3) Power Bond
(4) BlockChainSE 2.1
(4) Fighting Spirit 1.3
(4) Circuit Breakers 1.0
(4) Gladiator 1.1

2019 Season 3 20/11
(2) Destination
(2) Heartbreak Ridge
(3) Neo_Sylphid
(3) Whiteout
(4) Circuit Breaker
(4) Fighting Spirit
(4) Gladiator

2020 Season 1 14/02
(2) Hitchhiker 1.2
(2) New Bloody Ridge
(3) Neo_Sylphid 2.0
(4) La Mancha 1.1
(4) Escalade
(4) Fighting Spirit 1.3
(4) Circuit Breakers 1.0

2020 Season 2 29/05
(2) Eclipse
(2) Match Point
(3) New Sylphid
(3) Reap the Storm
(4) Polypoid
(4) Fighting Spirit
(4) Circuit Breakers

2020 Season 3 09/10
(2) Benzene
(2) Eclipse
(3) Plasma
(4) Circuit Breakers
(4) Polypoid
(4) Ringing Bloom
(4) Fighting Spirit
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LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1809 Posts
October 10 2020 12:19 GMT
#47
I wish they would actually have a set cycle for the seasons and tell us the dates beforehand. If you want to get a certain portrait, and the season suddenly ends, you will never have the chance to get that again.
LML
skycycle
Profile Joined April 2016
Netherlands36 Posts
October 10 2020 12:48 GMT
#48
On October 10 2020 21:19 LML wrote:
I wish they would actually have a set cycle for the seasons and tell us the dates beforehand. If you want to get a certain portrait, and the season suddenly ends, you will never have the chance to get that again.


+1, they should have added a season counter a long time ago, can't imagine it will take that much work to do
Mar Sara Separatist
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
October 10 2020 13:22 GMT
#49
can't believe hbr survived for 2 seasons
get rich or die mining
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Bugg.col
Profile Joined August 2019
Colombia8 Posts
October 10 2020 21:00 GMT
#50
plasmaaaaaaaaa..........
back Sylphid plzzzz
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