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Daishi
Profile Joined April 2003
United Kingdom106 Posts
October 25 2019 08:39 GMT
#1
This season's KSL has a bit of a changing of the guard feel to it, with a lot of names missing. Who has retired lately? I'm thinking of Flash, Last, Jaedong, Soulkey, but could have sworn there were more.
ABOYNE (vb.) To beat an expert at a game of skill by playing so appallingly that none of his clever tactics or strategies are of any use to him.- Douglas Adams
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
October 25 2019 09:29 GMT
#2
Last hasn't retired yet, but his wrist and arm are in bad shape. Flash has injury as well but in his case its more about Afreeca and Twitch.

Soulkey went to army. Jaedong is going soon.

Many Protoss players failed in qualifiers including Omekim and Horang2.

it's not just a music it's something else
Daishi
Profile Joined April 2003
United Kingdom106 Posts
October 25 2019 10:18 GMT
#3
Thanks. I am fairly sure Flash has gone to the military, though of course the timing is partly for health reasons too.
ABOYNE (vb.) To beat an expert at a game of skill by playing so appallingly that none of his clever tactics or strategies are of any use to him.- Douglas Adams
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
October 25 2019 10:29 GMT
#4
On October 25 2019 19:18 Daishi wrote:
Thanks. I am fairly sure Flash has gone to the military, though of course the timing is partly for health reasons too.


No he hasn’t. He streams almost every day Bw
it's not just a music it's something else
Daishi
Profile Joined April 2003
United Kingdom106 Posts
October 25 2019 10:45 GMT
#5
https://www.dexerto.com/esports/starcraft-flash-wins-event-before-service-977114
ABOYNE (vb.) To beat an expert at a game of skill by playing so appallingly that none of his clever tactics or strategies are of any use to him.- Douglas Adams
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
October 25 2019 11:19 GMT
#6
http://m.afreecatv.com/#/player/byflash?link=true

He is streaming right now. 😊 And said recently that he is at least considering to win one more Asl
it's not just a music it's something else
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6968 Posts
October 25 2019 11:24 GMT
#7
Jaedong didnt stream since 16 october :/
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
October 25 2019 15:30 GMT
#8
On October 25 2019 20:19 whaski wrote:
http://m.afreecatv.com/#/player/byflash?link=true

He is streaming right now. 😊 And said recently that he is at least considering to win one more Asl


Playing with our hearts

Btw Sharp has been doing well, he recently beat zero and mind several games each rather easily
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
hydrogg
Profile Joined September 2011
United States377 Posts
October 25 2019 15:54 GMT
#9
On October 25 2019 18:29 whaski wrote:
Last hasn't retired yet, but his wrist and arm are in bad shape. Flash has injury as well but in his case its more about Afreeca and Twitch.

Soulkey went to army. Jaedong is going soon.

Many Protoss players failed in qualifiers including Omekim and Horang2.



What's up with Protoss in the qualifers this season? Only 1 made it through.
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
October 25 2019 16:25 GMT
#10
On October 26 2019 00:54 hydrogg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2019 18:29 whaski wrote:
Last hasn't retired yet, but his wrist and arm are in bad shape. Flash has injury as well but in his case its more about Afreeca and Twitch.

Soulkey went to army. Jaedong is going soon.

Many Protoss players failed in qualifiers including Omekim and Horang2.



What's up with Protoss in the qualifers this season? Only 1 made it through.


Mini, Stork, SnOw and Rain were seeded into row 16 and outside of Best Protoss are quite horrible. I'm not sure if Pure plays anymore but he was terrible during Sospa- Era. Bisu didnt participate cause Afreeca/Twitch complications. Then we have IamMang-omeking, Horang2, Jaehoon and Lazy? At least Horang2 is incredibly bad nowdays. I was surprised that he actually got so far given how he plays on stream.
it's not just a music it's something else
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10036 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-25 17:33:12
October 25 2019 17:18 GMT
#11
free and by.hero are coming back soon, guys like Flash/JD/SK will be back (playing tours) post military. Dunno about Last.
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-25 17:44:12
October 25 2019 17:42 GMT
#12
Flash still plays in pretty much everything outside ASL and KSL (e.g. KCM, MPL etc.). He also said that he is considering doing one more ASL before his service. Flash is only 27 (western age), he could still postpone his service for quiet a bit if he really wanted to.
Generally speaking, very few people actually retire nowadays. It's mainly people leaving for the military or people skipping tournaments due to health issues. Even Nada made it into ASL a couple of seasons ago. The only big name retiring in recent years that I could think of is Jangbi.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-25 19:41:54
October 25 2019 18:49 GMT
#13
Recent notable military departures: effort and soulkey. Both will probably be back in the scene once their military service is up.

Mong is another player who is about to enter military (last ASL was his last tournament).

Shuttle and Hero will probably be back on the scene within the next year when their service is up.

Flash will be be around for probably at least another year (streaming daily and participating in special events/team leagues like MPL or KCM), but he said that he almost certainly won't participate in any more individual leagues because his doctor said that it would be too much strain on his wrist.

Last should be back in the next ASL unless his wrists are still bad.

Jaedong's skill has been declining pretty steadily since KSL 1 (from what I can tell due to his poor wrist condition and maybe also lack of motivation but that is just speculation on my part). He's almost certainly going to enlist in the military within the next year. Hopefully he can recoup and heal his wrists and come back to the scene after his service.

Did I hear that leta has recently enrolled in the military?

players that have sorta fallen off, not sure if just from lack of success/motivation or they are anticipating enlisting soon: movie, miso, horang2?
Free Palestine
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 25 2019 19:00 GMT
#14
Flash's doctor said he can probably be exempt from miltiary due to his injuries. He already gone surgery back then leaving him a longass scar and plus he's having another injury right now. He probably will lay off a season or two then comeback to smash again.
sunbeams are never made like me...
FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-25 22:57:18
October 25 2019 20:39 GMT
#15
Some players that should come back from military within ~1 year:

- (T)sSak
- (P)Sky (not sure whether he's in the military or retired)
- (P)free
- (Z)hero
- (P)Shuttle
- (T)Sea

All of the players who recently finished military service came back to the scene ((Z)ZerO, (Z)HyuN, (T)HiyA, (P)Bisu), so i asume most of these will come back as well
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51599 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-25 21:28:41
October 25 2019 21:28 GMT
#16
sky has been permanently banned from participating in any blizzard sanctioned tournament in korea due to his role in match fixing at a wegl event.

https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/532100-starcraft-match-fixing-arrests-in-korea
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 25 2019 22:25 GMT
#17
On October 26 2019 06:28 GTR wrote:
sky has been permanently banned from participating in any blizzard sanctioned tournament in korea due to his role in match fixing at a wegl event.

https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/532100-starcraft-match-fixing-arrests-in-korea


I remember reading about that year ago but never thought accusation was true. His liquipedia should be updated and get a "nuke" icon so everyone can shame on him.
sunbeams are never made like me...
FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
October 25 2019 22:58 GMT
#18
On October 26 2019 06:28 GTR wrote:
sky has been permanently banned from participating in any blizzard sanctioned tournament in korea due to his role in match fixing at a wegl event.

https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/532100-starcraft-match-fixing-arrests-in-korea


Oh wow, i didn't know that, thanks for clearing that up. Sad to hear that after all what happened after the match fixing scandal there are still people doing stuff like that...
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1113 Posts
October 25 2019 23:06 GMT
#19
Does everyone agree that Jaedong is completely out? Not saying otherwise, I just think he still can pull some very nice wins against the big boys sometimes.

I also think he's lost his passion, he could regain it after his military service and his wrist could recover from a 2 years break. I still believe 👽
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10036 Posts
October 25 2019 23:42 GMT
#20
On October 26 2019 05:39 FakeFin wrote:
Some players that should come back from military within ~1 year:

- (T)sSak
- (P)Sky (not sure whether he's in the military or retired)
- (P)free
- (Z)hero
- (P)Shuttle
- (T)Sea

All of the players who recently finished military service came back to the scene ((Z)ZerO, (Z)HyuN, (T)HiyA, (P)Bisu), so i asume most of these will come back as well


a lot of these guys started after the new law passed right? 1.5 years of service instead of 2
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
October 26 2019 00:30 GMT
#21
On October 26 2019 08:06 TornadoSteve wrote:
Does everyone agree that Jaedong is completely out? Not saying otherwise, I just think he still can pull some very nice wins against the big boys sometimes.

I also think he's lost his passion, he could regain it after his military service and his wrist could recover from a 2 years break. I still believe 👽


He definitely seems to need a break, but I think everyone wants to see him recover and be a real force in the scene again
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