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[Strategy] Flash's Starcraft Wakanda in Afreeca - Page 4

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Quincel
Profile Joined August 2012
119 Posts
March 23 2018 20:10 GMT
#61
Wow, what an interview! Flash has been a bit brief in some past occasions, seeing this much of how he thinks about the game is fascinating. And so much respect for his theorycrafting, meta piled on meta piled on meta.
PorkSoda
Profile Joined September 2015
170 Posts
March 23 2018 20:36 GMT
#62
On March 24 2018 05:10 Quincel wrote:
Wow, what an interview! Flash has been a bit brief in some past occasions, seeing this much of how he thinks about the game is fascinating. And so much respect for his theorycrafting, meta piled on meta piled on meta.

I think the last one that was brief and got a bunch of people all riled up happened while FlaSh was travelling so, which could explain why he gave such short answers.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
March 23 2018 21:26 GMT
#63
I loved this interview! Really liked the part where he talked about yomi mixups
Writer
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
March 23 2018 21:51 GMT
#64
Damn, that was an awesome interview. So cool of Afreeca/Flash to do an interview for the foreign fans like this

There really is no game or gaming event that gets me even half as excited/entertained as Brood War & ASL!! In the name of our father who art in South Korea, thanks for this <3
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
TwiggyWan
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France334 Posts
March 23 2018 21:59 GMT
#65
This has to be your best article yet BigFan
No bad days
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 23 2018 22:08 GMT
#66
On March 24 2018 06:59 TwiggyWan wrote:
This has to be your best article yet BigFan

lemmata was the one who interviewed Flash and wrote this up, credits to him. I only did the formatting, editing etc...
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6790 Posts
March 23 2018 22:19 GMT
#67
how different is this interview compared to the last ASL one ,i guess timing is key and lemmata hit the right timing,thanks guys!
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
March 23 2018 22:40 GMT
#68
Wow, amazing interview. Not just the questions and follow ups, but the writing was so informed and sucked me right in.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 23 2018 22:40 GMT
#69
Eon:
On March 23 2018 14:32 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 13:27 neobowman wrote:
Wow, what an interview. I feel like Flash was a lot more talkative here than on some other interviews I've seen him in.

This was a live interview, so we got a chance to talk to him (lemmata did) and ask follow-up/clarification questions. Other interviews were us sending in questions and getting answers back from Afreeca so we never had the ability to pry further.

Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
March 23 2018 22:47 GMT
#70
lemmata is gosu
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 08:58:31
March 24 2018 08:58 GMT
#71
wow wow wow! Great work and presentation!
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VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4339 Posts
March 24 2018 09:11 GMT
#72
Incredible interview! Thanks so much!
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AnythingThenDelete
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
381 Posts
March 24 2018 09:31 GMT
#73
Q: Of all the players you have met, whose way of thinking about the game was most close to your own?
A: (long pause) I don’t know. To be honest, I think no one sees the game like I do. To be more accurate, every pro sees the game differently. Based on what I have learned by discussing the game with other pros, the way each pro sees the game is not just different but, dramatically different. Furthermore, because each player has had a lot of success, they have a lot of pride and conviction in their way of thinking. This is one of the most mysterious and cool aspects of StarCraft. There are so many people doing well with their own unique styles.


This is what makes a game so great, people doing their own thing, in their own way, all achieving greatness.
Dragoons
Profile Joined January 2012
140 Posts
March 24 2018 11:22 GMT
#74
Very interesting, great interview, Thanks!
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6790 Posts
March 24 2018 11:30 GMT
#75
On March 24 2018 07:40 BigFan wrote:
Eon:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 14:32 BigFan wrote:
On March 23 2018 13:27 neobowman wrote:
Wow, what an interview. I feel like Flash was a lot more talkative here than on some other interviews I've seen him in.

This was a live interview, so we got a chance to talk to him (lemmata did) and ask follow-up/clarification questions. Other interviews were us sending in questions and getting answers back from Afreeca so we never had the ability to pry further.


makes sense, this time lemmata used his sharingan
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ok flash now tell me everything!
[Fin]Vittu
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada507 Posts
March 24 2018 13:35 GMT
#76
I am not sure if the build is correct. On the article it says 22 starport, but in the VOD flash builds his starport @ 25/26 supply.
The "Finnish Metal Terran"
lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
March 24 2018 15:09 GMT
#77
On March 24 2018 22:35 [Fin]Vittu wrote:
I am not sure if the build is correct. On the article it says 22 starport, but in the VOD flash builds his starport @ 25/26 supply.

Ah, I should have mentioned it in the captions. In the VOD you mention (time link, Flash goes add-on > vulture > speed upgrade BEFORE starport. It's part of his metagame psycho warfare in this case. Using the 100 gas on vulture speed first delays the starport to 25 in that VOD.

Here's another VOD that is more typical with 22 starport.



The han-bang in the same game is even faster (8:40 time link)

One other thing that I should have mentioned is that there is a gas cut @88 gas before building the factory and the SCVs are put back on gas immediately when the factory completes. I know a lot of you know about that, but this was a general interest article after all. Maybe BigFan can add it in.

Just a point about the 1-1-1 build order: Because of all the variations that start immediately after the factory completes, the build orders are hard to pin down. The way that the pros have been talking about the 1-1-1 build order is similar to how a lot of Protoss build orders are described after expanding (e.g., build this when you have X and Y). So in the case of the 1-1-1, the starport is built when you have 100 gas rather than at a specific pop count.

This way, you can think about many variations just by their order.

vulture >> starport >> machine shop >> mines >> wraith
machine shop >> vulture >> starport >> speed >> wraith
vulture >> machine shop >> starport
machine shop >> ebay >> starport

It seems that the common point is to build these things when you can without cutting SCVs. The only time you could have the need to cut SCVs is to make science facility as fast as possible when you have the gas. The other time is if turret defense is desperately needed. Flash won't cut SCVs for turrets unless it is absolutely necessary, but there are times when it is needed. Maybe it's needed against 2-hatch muta.
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1713 Posts
March 24 2018 22:44 GMT
#78
Fabulous interview. Massive difference from the last one he did.

I doubt any other terran aside from Flash and Mind will be in the ro16. Mind was lucky he played TvT on Sparkle.
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom250 Posts
March 25 2018 19:02 GMT
#79
Thank you BigFan!
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
March 25 2018 20:20 GMT
#80
I'm a bit late to the party, but great interview!
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