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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
January 06 2018 08:37 GMT
#1401
Stork~~~~ will have to step up
The heart's eternal vow
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17082 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-06 09:05:58
January 06 2018 09:05 GMT
#1402
On January 06 2018 09:33 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2018 09:06 Lorch wrote:
Effort can't make it past the ro16 of ASL. I guess Soulkey came pretty close last season. Maybe Jaedong has a shot. He did take Flash to game 5 in ASL2 and he has been looking pretty solid on his stream lately.


effort beat flash in a bo5 a week later, he lost cus of zvz..


Just like in JinAir OSL

Probably my last great memory of watching SC live. Can't wait to tune in to ASL.
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3172 Posts
January 06 2018 11:00 GMT
#1403
Excellent news to hear. Watching the ASL from Qualifiers all the way to the final was awesome to watch. So happy we've got another ASL to look forward to. I hope we get to see JangBi in this one. Anyone know if Fantasy will ever come back to BW at all?
Artosis loves Starcraft
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 06 2018 12:28 GMT
#1404
On January 06 2018 09:40 Lorch wrote:
In an OGN show match event. Effort also dropped out in ASL 1/2/3 against all three races. If you give Flash a week to prepare for Effort he'll smack him down.


Yeah I doubt that. I would give Flash the edge, but if you think it would be a smack down you really don't know how good Effort is.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3711 Posts
January 06 2018 13:27 GMT
#1405
On January 06 2018 21:28 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2018 09:40 Lorch wrote:
In an OGN show match event. Effort also dropped out in ASL 1/2/3 against all three races. If you give Flash a week to prepare for Effort he'll smack him down.


Yeah I doubt that. I would give Flash the edge, but if you think it would be a smack down you really don't know how good Effort is.


If both existed inside a vacuum, sure. Don't get me wrong I love effort. He is scary good. It's just that I have been cheering him on for 4 ASLs now and he has never delivered. He might be able to beat Flash at any other tournament, but at ASL he'll have to make it past the Ro16 before I'll consider him a serious contender.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3172 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-06 14:49:34
January 06 2018 14:23 GMT
#1406
I want to see how far Larva can go. No Bisu to send him to 4th this time. A lot of strong Zergs ran into each other in the last tournament. I know he can beat Flash, but I'm not sure if he can take 3 games from him on the big stage.

This time Flash might have to play a Bo5 against one of the strong Zergs. I love Flash but I think the following Zerg players (Larva, Effort and Soulkey) can beat him, in a Bo5. Maybe even JD if he has a good day. Though sometimes I watch him and he kinda seems stuck in the 1st gear. Maybe those health problems of his are starting to catch up with him. Shame, he's still fucking scary when in top gear.


Artosis loves Starcraft
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1267 Posts
January 06 2018 14:59 GMT
#1407
On January 06 2018 23:23 NoS-Craig wrote:
I want to see how far Larva can go. No Bisu to send him to 4th this time. A lot of strong Zergs ran into each other in the last tournament. I know he can beat Flash, but I'm not sure if he can take 3 games from him on the big stage.

This time Flash might have to play a Bo5 against one of the strong Zergs. I love Flash but I think the following Zerg players (Larva, Effort and Soulkey) can beat him, in a Bo5. Maybe even JD if he has a good day. Though sometimes I watch him and he kinda seems stuck in the 1st gear. Maybe those health problems of his are starting to catch up with him. Shame, he's still fucking scary when in top gear.




Good post. Larva has a lot of vulnerabilities though against other non-top players (see that set against Rush where he got demolished). That's why Soulkey is better, he does the macro stuff and delivers most of the time, he's consistent.

Effort and Jaedong I feel like a this point are only elite at the ultra-aggression style. But that style really doesn't decide tournaments anymore. They're still credible threats any day to anyone though. No doubt about it.

I feel bad for Protoss though. I wish Best would get his act together. Shuttle can wire up a few great macro games here and there but that's not really enough.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
January 06 2018 17:19 GMT
#1408
I'm super excited for ASL5. I think Flash has no serious competition unless he switches to offrace Zerg.
Is Sea and Savior still banned from ASL5?
[AS]Rattus
Profile Joined March 2017
432 Posts
January 06 2018 17:22 GMT
#1409
savior for the rest of his life
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4411 Posts
January 06 2018 18:06 GMT
#1410
If Shuttle doesn't deliver, it may be a truly sad ASL for Protoss without Bisu
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
BeaSteR
Profile Joined May 2009
Sweden328 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-06 20:40:22
January 06 2018 20:30 GMT
#1411
Any word on Fantasy returning now that his military service is over?

He posted this picture on Christmas, dont know if it means something though.

[image loading]
Greed is good
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
January 06 2018 20:56 GMT
#1412
Please let jangbi return. Not because i think he is the only one who could beat flash or something. I dont pretend that pros can necessarily get back into their former shape from 5+ years ago. Having expectations like that will leave you dissapointed when if they cannot live up to it.

No, I just want to see him play bw again. He singlehandedly saved the legacy of bw at the end of the kespa era. There is no other player that have made me love the game more than him. I just want to cheer for the guy and pay my respects (having another protoss contender in the field wont hurt either)
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
January 07 2018 01:31 GMT
#1413
What about Sea? Is he allowed to play in ASL5? Or he is lifetime banned like Savior? Flash needs some competition!
Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1031 Posts
January 07 2018 03:10 GMT
#1414
Korean StarLeague qualifiers are one of the best things about BW, I can't say I've experienced the same thing with any other esports. They are completely stacked and the quality of the games are often just as good as the main tournament itself. After you've followed the scene for a while you have so many players to root for as well. I'm glad they're still around although the video coverage isn't quite the same as back in the OSL days.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8714 Posts
January 07 2018 04:08 GMT
#1415
On January 07 2018 10:31 Alpha-NP- wrote:
What about Sea? Is he allowed to play in ASL5? Or he is lifetime banned like Savior? Flash needs some competition!


He should be allowed to play. A life-time ban would be stupid beyond belief.
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
January 07 2018 06:02 GMT
#1416
If it was a life-ban for Sea, then this is the first I've heard of it. From what I remember he only ever recieved a 2-3 week ban from streaming on Afreeca and lost his ASL4 spot. I highly doubt he won't be allowed into ASL5.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
January 07 2018 06:29 GMT
#1417
it was just one season ban
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Netto.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland523 Posts
January 07 2018 08:18 GMT
#1418
On January 06 2018 23:59 oxKnu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2018 23:23 NoS-Craig wrote:
I want to see how far Larva can go. No Bisu to send him to 4th this time. A lot of strong Zergs ran into each other in the last tournament. I know he can beat Flash, but I'm not sure if he can take 3 games from him on the big stage.

This time Flash might have to play a Bo5 against one of the strong Zergs. I love Flash but I think the following Zerg players (Larva, Effort and Soulkey) can beat him, in a Bo5. Maybe even JD if he has a good day. Though sometimes I watch him and he kinda seems stuck in the 1st gear. Maybe those health problems of his are starting to catch up with him. Shame, he's still fucking scary when in top gear.




Good post. Larva has a lot of vulnerabilities though against other non-top players (see that set against Rush where he got demolished). That's why Soulkey is better, he does the macro stuff and delivers most of the time, he's consistent.

Effort and Jaedong I feel like a this point are only elite at the ultra-aggression style. But that style really doesn't decide tournaments anymore. They're still credible threats any day to anyone though. No doubt about it.

I feel bad for Protoss though. I wish Best would get his act together. Shuttle can wire up a few great macro games here and there but that's not really enough.


I agree that Soulkey is more consistent, but in late game Larva, in my opinion, is way ahead of other zergs. When I watch his games against Flash, which go into circuit-breaker-split-map-macro-fest, Larva is the only one who can truly outplay Flash. His APM, Macro and multitasking is almost perfect, he just seems to do a little more a little faster. Therefore Soulkey and Larva have different playstyles and different strenghts for sure.

On the other hand, like you said, Larva has vulnerabilities. He often dies in early game. However I think that it is easier to polish your early and prepare some strats to get to the late game, then it is to improve your late game macro and apm to Flash level (which would be soulkey case).

If I were to choose I would say that Larva has bigger chance to take down Flash. He delivered in ASL4 and he often deliveres against Flash on stream, once he gets to his comfort zone (4+ bases).
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17082 Posts
January 07 2018 09:19 GMT
#1419
Can someone fill me in on what happened with Sea?
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Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-07 09:26:57
January 07 2018 09:25 GMT
#1420
On January 07 2018 18:19 Empyrean wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what happened with Sea?


Sea had an peculiar incident when he was accused of sexual harassing a female streamer during one of his own streams. Sea wasn't charged with a crime, but Afreeca banned him for ASL 4 and suspended him from streaming briefly.

You can read about more in these threads:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/526650-the-dark-side-of-sea
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/526572-sea-was-replaced-by-killer-in-asl
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
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