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On May 08 2017 16:31 onlystar wrote:Larva is great at practicing vs better players in a sense that he will find ways to improve and ultimately come up with a better gameplay vs that practice partner. This was very clean when Bisu joined afreeca hè would crush larva 16-1 +/- larva kept fightingNd improved, later than on afreeca Bisu showed weakness in his pvz mu he dropped like 5 games vs a C level zerg Who splits the map and Will turtle hard until defiler is out only then to fight under darkswarm, Bisu at that time did all the wrong things to handle that type of zerg play ( taking center and investing into cannons ) while the center is an easy target for darkswarm 3-3 lurk ling defiler. Around that time alot of epic 40min close games were played. Between larva & bisu where larva would adjust his style and always 4base split map vs Bisu in the end larva would win Some Bo3s even evening out scores more than before, not bad for a B-teamer vs the godly protoss 
It used to be like that for Larva. Nowadays, Larva seems to beat anyone not named last/flash/jd/bisu relatively easy. He also has the most wins this mont at 180 i think.
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Larva just went and took a pee mid match versus last...he is a madman. Of course he went on to crush him with ease.
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Yeah I saw it, it was crazy :D He just got a little ahead so decided to go to bathrooom without even pausing a game and still won.
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On June 26 2017 13:44 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 08:52 outscar wrote:
Larva rage is best rage, that's some Terror shit right there. Last is annoying the shit out of him. But you can't win AlphaGo even you're doing 100 hour stream because Last himself plays shit ton of games with his at least 5 smurfs, guy is robotic - when he loses no emotion, nothing at all. I think at some point that's probably negatively effecting him. Clearly massive practice works, but even then you need some time to process, digest, and refresh the mind.
Keep in mind he's a streamer, so some of this rage is definitely part of a manufactured personality. It's true he may be mad/rage a bit after a loss, but this level of rage is clearly for entertainment. People will be more inclined to tune in, and more inclined to donate. It's win win for him.
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On June 27 2017 02:55 CatalysT. wrote:
Larva just went and took a pee mid match versus last...he is a madman. Of course he went on to crush him with ease.
Ahaha, what a humiliating payback.
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On June 27 2017 03:01 Netto. wrote:
Yeah I saw it, it was crazy :D He just got a little ahead so decided to go to bathrooom without even pausing a game and still won.
larva for you, so confident lol. Imagine if Last decided to drop right then and there and he left, came back to his main and 4th empty haha
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On June 27 2017 03:31 NickHotS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 13:44 L_Master wrote:On June 26 2017 08:52 outscar wrote:
Larva rage is best rage, that's some Terror shit right there. Last is annoying the shit out of him. But you can't win AlphaGo even you're doing 100 hour stream because Last himself plays shit ton of games with his at least 5 smurfs, guy is robotic - when he loses no emotion, nothing at all. I think at some point that's probably negatively effecting him. Clearly massive practice works, but even then you need some time to process, digest, and refresh the mind. Keep in mind he's a streamer, so some of this rage is definitely part of a manufactured personality. It's true he may be mad/rage a bit after a loss, but this level of rage is clearly for entertainment. People will be more inclined to tune in, and more inclined to donate. It's win win for him.
Oh I didn't mean the rage. I meant just playing utterly nonstop BW for days on end. It's one of those things that can be good practice, but I suspect towards the end you can be a bit overloaded and not playing your best; similar to an athletic state of overtraining.
Can benefit long term, but the end of big practice sessions you're rarely at your sharpest.
On June 26 2017 14:22 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 13:44 L_Master wrote:On June 26 2017 08:52 outscar wrote:
Larva rage is best rage, that's some Terror shit right there. Last is annoying the shit out of him. But you can't win AlphaGo even you're doing 100 hour stream because Last himself plays shit ton of games with his at least 5 smurfs, guy is robotic - when he loses no emotion, nothing at all. I think at some point that's probably negatively effecting him. Clearly massive practice works, but even then you need some time to process, digest, and refresh the mind. thing is, that includes sleeping and other life necessities. I could be wrong but I doubt he's playing 12 hours sessions straight etc...
12 hours straight, probably not no. What I'm getting at though is that if he is really doing what I'd think of as 24/7 BW he is : playing BW, eating, sleeping, personal hygiene. Not much else.
It's the fact that any time you're doing anything your mind is engaged on BW. Liken it to athletic training a little bit. At the end of your lifting or running session you're a bit fatigued, and wouldn't lift your best or run your fastest times...you've just trained hard. Larva's been drilling his mind on BW with no appreciable breaks for a few days, he won't be at his best condition after a long session like...but given some time to rest up, switch focus, and digest the sessions he can come back stronger than before (assuming he didn't play so fatigued he stopped trying or was practicing some very bad habits; but not likely to be the case if he is still doing fine vs Flash/Last).
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Lets say he can't play his best starcraft due to mental fatigue. It doesn't matter since there isn't a tournament he is trying to win the next day and instead he is putting up an entertainment stream for the sake of money, which is where your training analogy falls apart completely.
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On June 27 2017 08:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Lets say he can't play his best starcraft due to mental fatigue. It doesn't matter since there isn't a tournament he is trying to win the next day and instead he is putting up an entertainment stream for the sake of money, which is where your training analogy falls apart completely.
Yea, I I absolutely agree with what you wrote. I'm not talking at all about tournaments, nor saying it matters in any way that he can't play his best starcraft on this given day, as you point out he doesn't need to be in peak shape for any reason right now. Very unsure what you think I'm arguing or what you think my analogy is.
I made the initial comment a day or two ago just throwing out an explanation for why Larva might have been looking a little sloppy in a few of those sets versus Last where Last was messing around manner CCing him and such...mental fatigue from nonstop BW certainly could be a contributing factor.
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"SHIBAR!"
- Lim "Larva" HongGyu, 2017.
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On June 27 2017 07:51 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2017 03:31 NickHotS wrote:On June 26 2017 13:44 L_Master wrote:On June 26 2017 08:52 outscar wrote:
Larva rage is best rage, that's some Terror shit right there. Last is annoying the shit out of him. But you can't win AlphaGo even you're doing 100 hour stream because Last himself plays shit ton of games with his at least 5 smurfs, guy is robotic - when he loses no emotion, nothing at all. I think at some point that's probably negatively effecting him. Clearly massive practice works, but even then you need some time to process, digest, and refresh the mind. Keep in mind he's a streamer, so some of this rage is definitely part of a manufactured personality. It's true he may be mad/rage a bit after a loss, but this level of rage is clearly for entertainment. People will be more inclined to tune in, and more inclined to donate. It's win win for him. Oh I didn't mean the rage. I meant just playing utterly nonstop BW for days on end. It's one of those things that can be good practice, but I suspect towards the end you can be a bit overloaded and not playing your best; similar to an athletic state of overtraining. Can benefit long term, but the end of big practice sessions you're rarely at your sharpest. Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 14:22 BigFan wrote:On June 26 2017 13:44 L_Master wrote:On June 26 2017 08:52 outscar wrote:
Larva rage is best rage, that's some Terror shit right there. Last is annoying the shit out of him. But you can't win AlphaGo even you're doing 100 hour stream because Last himself plays shit ton of games with his at least 5 smurfs, guy is robotic - when he loses no emotion, nothing at all. I think at some point that's probably negatively effecting him. Clearly massive practice works, but even then you need some time to process, digest, and refresh the mind. thing is, that includes sleeping and other life necessities. I could be wrong but I doubt he's playing 12 hours sessions straight etc... 12 hours straight, probably not no. What I'm getting at though is that if he is really doing what I'd think of as 24/7 BW he is : playing BW, eating, sleeping, personal hygiene. Not much else. It's the fact that any time you're doing anything your mind is engaged on BW. Liken it to athletic training a little bit. At the end of your lifting or running session you're a bit fatigued, and wouldn't lift your best or run your fastest times...you've just trained hard. Larva's been drilling his mind on BW with no appreciable breaks for a few days, he won't be at his best condition after a long session like...but given some time to rest up, switch focus, and digest the sessions he can come back stronger than before (assuming he didn't play so fatigued he stopped trying or was practicing some very bad habits; but not likely to be the case if he is still doing fine vs Flash/Last).
yep, I don't disagree with you. Was just saying that he's not sitting there playing BW straight for that long lol so at least he has time to recharge a bit. For all I know, he may even be taking mini naps or sleeping for 10hours at a time and between eating and hygiene, he plays max 12 hours. I'm sure that he's played just as much during the team environment of SKT T1 so I think he can handle it. The games vs Last were great lol.
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Seems that Larva is trying something new. After clearing mine and tank lines with mutas and lings and lurkers, he makes a lot of hydras to push directly into the main base. It's not working, but could be an interesting beginning of a new strat to counter the eco mech shift.
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On June 28 2017 01:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Seems that Larva is trying something new. After clearing mine and tank lines with mutas and lings and lurkers, he makes a lot of hydras to push directly into the main base. It's not working, but could be an interesting beginning of a new strat to counter the eco mech shift.
I'm excited to see them playing something other than CB even if its FS lol. Also, is how background that of Flash and Last in ATB? lol.
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On June 28 2017 01:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Seems that Larva is trying something new. After clearing mine and tank lines with mutas and lings and lurkers, he makes a lot of hydras to push directly into the main base. It's not working, but could be an interesting beginning of a new strat to counter the eco mech shift.
JD did it correctly vs Last a week ago. Larva probably watched the game.
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Yeah I was going to say the same thing. I saw Jaedong do that vs Last in 3-4 games and in each one (that I saw) Jaedong crushed Last. Looked very strong.
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On June 23 2017 07:30 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:39 Magic Powers wrote:
I think Last is currently better at TvZ than Flash. I will say FlaSh has significantly better results in ASL and other tournaments, consistently is higher in the month Afreeca Top 5 rankings in each MU, etc. Unless there is something I'm missing, the statistics clearly indicate FlaSh is better. That said, I'm more than happy to hear from a subjective standpoint what Last is doing to make his TvZ feels stronger than FlaSh's.
Except Elo rankings indicate they are fairly close in skill:
http://스폰빵.com/bj/?month=2017-06&race=전체&map=0&order=ELO
Flash ahead in this month (smaller sample, we're not done with June yet)
http://스폰빵.com/bj/?month=2017-05&race=전체&map=0&order=ELO
Last better last month (bigger sample)
this month EffOrt is slightly ahead of Larva in the rankings, taking the 3rd spot, with Jaedong in 5th
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Larva's plague usage is insane, haven't seen any recent Zerg's use it so effectively and consistently.
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On June 27 2017 12:31 L_Master wrote:Also. Dis game. Dis game right here. It's gud. Watch it. Like fo realz, watch it. Ya won't regret it.  Larva v <Neo Jade>  Bisuhttps://youtu.be/crW-p67Sl7M?t=677Give it some time it get going, first part is like 2.5 stars but after a bit.....
Fucking hell, this was exhausting just to watch. For the last 10 minutes or so I constantly thought Bisu's going to take it.
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