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Link for Tastosis - http://afreeca.tv/36872425
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arachnidd
Profile Joined April 2011
211 Posts
November 19 2016 12:45 GMT
#501
On November 19 2016 21:23 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2016 21:19 Filco wrote:
Can anyone find a link to archives? VODs? I just missed it this morning TT_TT.



i gotchu


Thanks so much
Bonybony
Profile Joined November 2016
6 Posts
November 19 2016 12:52 GMT
#502
On November 19 2016 21:23 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2016 21:19 Filco wrote:
Can anyone find a link to archives? VODs? I just missed it this morning TT_TT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2iMWSv3lvk

i gotchu

You #1. Thanks!
cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada509 Posts
November 19 2016 13:11 GMT
#503
On November 19 2016 21:38 HaN- wrote:
Artosis : "There's a lot of stuff we aren't allowed to tell you is coming yet, but 2017 is going to be a great year for Brood War"

What do you think this can mean ?


They also mentioned something about Broodwar HD again at the end in the post event interviews didn't they?
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
November 19 2016 13:11 GMT
#504
On November 19 2016 21:38 HaN- wrote:
Artosis : "There's a lot of stuff we aren't allowed to tell you is coming yet, but 2017 is going to be a great year for Brood War"

What do you think this can mean ?

Considering they just got back from Blizzcon... I'm pretty sure it's some kind of blizzard support for bw, either bw hd or a bnet 2.0 integration. If there's no blizzard involvement I don't know... a bigger ASL ?
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
November 19 2016 13:25 GMT
#505
On November 19 2016 22:11 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2016 21:38 HaN- wrote:
Artosis : "There's a lot of stuff we aren't allowed to tell you is coming yet, but 2017 is going to be a great year for Brood War"

What do you think this can mean ?

Considering they just got back from Blizzcon... I'm pretty sure it's some kind of blizzard support for bw, either bw hd or a bnet 2.0 integration. If there's no blizzard involvement I don't know... a bigger ASL ?


BW Proleague? One can dream...
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5092 Posts
November 19 2016 13:25 GMT
#506
On November 19 2016 21:10 Cele wrote:
nice cast by Tastosis. But they're trying to sell the point that they are super duper experts in the game and the scene a bit to hard when they're not.

+ Show Spoiler +
I mean every average guy still playing the game prolly

- doesn't have to ask himself how many zeal+probe hit it takes to kill a drone with +0/+1
- is not surprised how good JD is; we know which accounts he plays on fish
- doesn't call the citadel of Adun twilight council by mistake


Again, i like the casts but stop acting like you know everything and are such high level experts etc when you're just not.

I don't get this sentiment.. They catered more to the people that aren't the average guy you mentioned (people flowing over from SCII).
They are super duper experts because they were the original english casters for big tournaments like GOM. And Artosis was a pretty high level BW player. You probably know this, but I think your post is pretty condescending towards them and I won't eat it up.
Taxes are for Terrans
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
November 19 2016 13:37 GMT
#507
A Proleague revival would be great! A good way to bring fresh blood in the system.
The copyright of this post belongs solely to me. Nobody else, not teamliquid, not greetech and not even blizzard have any share of this copyright. You can copy, distribute, use in commercial purposes the content of this post or parts of it freely.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
November 19 2016 13:41 GMT
#508
Only Proleague and new players can save BW.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6830 Posts
November 19 2016 13:51 GMT
#509
On November 19 2016 22:41 letian wrote:
Only Proleague and new players can save BW.

save of ?
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-19 13:59:08
November 19 2016 13:57 GMT
#510
On November 19 2016 22:25 Uldridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2016 21:10 Cele wrote:
nice cast by Tastosis. But they're trying to sell the point that they are super duper experts in the game and the scene a bit to hard when they're not.

+ Show Spoiler +
I mean every average guy still playing the game prolly

- doesn't have to ask himself how many zeal+probe hit it takes to kill a drone with +0/+1
- is not surprised how good JD is; we know which accounts he plays on fish
- doesn't call the citadel of Adun twilight council by mistake


Again, i like the casts but stop acting like you know everything and are such high level experts etc when you're just not.

I don't get this sentiment.. They catered more to the people that aren't the average guy you mentioned (people flowing over from SCII).
They are super duper experts because they were the original english casters for big tournaments like GOM. And Artosis was a pretty high level BW player. You probably know this, but I think your post is pretty condescending towards them and I won't eat it up.


I think the problem stems from a lack of options if you are not a Korean speaker. There are zero "super duper experts" who cast Brood War for a living, and in a game that's as nuanced as Brood War, I think some constructive criticism is fine as long as it contributes towards better casting in the future. I personally rate Lee Seung Won (one of the best, if not the best, Starcraft commentator during the days of professional Brood War) extremely highly as a commentator, but I still found myself wanting to see free's perspective on the game after testing the waters here and there on Afreeca.

I don't want to put any misinformed opinions of the English casting that went on today, but even the best commentators can be given constructive criticism, and even during Tastosis' absolute peak, I wasn't of the opinion that they were the pinnacle of e-Sports commentary. You can always strive to improve. Maybe a little more respect might be required for the status they earned as the premier Brood War casters back in the days, but you can't rest on your laurels if that is what happened today (again, I want to emphasize I have no idea if that is what actually happened), there's so much strategic nuances and almost a saga-like history between the players that it's actually incredibly hard to do it justice even you have been trying to keep up full time.

No one is beyond reproach. And even though I much prefer Korean casting, I do enjoy high level English commentary when it does occur, and in a game that is as fantastic as Brood War, I think a call for higher level of excellence is not completely out of hand.
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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5092 Posts
November 19 2016 14:07 GMT
#511
It's not, but this was a show match. Alot of people new to the game as well as veterans have tuned in today so I think Artosis and Tasteless were a very good pair to cater to the English listening viewer. 1) They have alot of experience and 2) they are an established value. Korean casting has always been waaaaaayyy more in depth than English commentary. I think that maye be more of a cultural thing than anything else. Even when English casters talked strategy or mechanics I felt they were still a tier below the Koreans because there might be an innate preference for entertainment over education during the game.

Feedback is always important, but the feedback needs to be given in the right context. And for the context of this showmatch I believe the casters did a great job.
Taxes are for Terrans
Me_ToKa
Profile Joined September 2009
Bulgaria309 Posts
November 19 2016 15:05 GMT
#512
On November 19 2016 21:23 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2016 21:19 Filco wrote:
Can anyone find a link to archives? VODs? I just missed it this morning TT_TT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2iMWSv3lvk

i gotchu

Thank you! <3
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
November 19 2016 15:17 GMT
#513
Looks like I woke up too late fuck meeeee

Oh wait there's a link right above, noice!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5357 Posts
November 19 2016 15:18 GMT
#514
http://afreeca.tv/36882510/v/52564 for the real BW experience
FBH #1!
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-19 15:28:52
November 19 2016 15:28 GMT
#515
[image loading]

Had a blast at the event. The place was (almost?) completely full and the crowd was so into it. BO1 was a bit of a pity but the finals were super fun! Tasteless & Artosis were up on the front stage which was cool to see too.

No stress, more exciting!
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-19 16:05:26
November 19 2016 16:05 GMT
#516
Cool games but was disappointed about the lack of Flash vs Jaedong.

Hopefully this does mean that Bisu has the confidence to participate in tournaments now.
LocoBolon
Profile Joined June 2012
Argentina244 Posts
November 19 2016 16:07 GMT
#517
On November 19 2016 22:51 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2016 22:41 letian wrote:
Only Proleague and new players can save BW.

save of ?


Exactly
Standard Queens
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1785 Posts
November 19 2016 16:20 GMT
#518
On November 19 2016 22:25 Uldridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2016 21:10 Cele wrote:
nice cast by Tastosis. But they're trying to sell the point that they are super duper experts in the game and the scene a bit to hard when they're not.

+ Show Spoiler +
I mean every average guy still playing the game prolly

- doesn't have to ask himself how many zeal+probe hit it takes to kill a drone with +0/+1
- is not surprised how good JD is; we know which accounts he plays on fish
- doesn't call the citadel of Adun twilight council by mistake


Again, i like the casts but stop acting like you know everything and are such high level experts etc when you're just not.

[..]
They are super duper experts [..]


Please, they claimed that the Shield upgrade for Protoss increases the shield's regeneration rate in ASL. That's not even close to being an expert. Also many strategies they claimed as new were already being played 5 years ago. It's just new to them because they stopped doing BW when SC2 came out.
LML
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4141 Posts
November 19 2016 16:28 GMT
#519
Just watch the vods, great games! Too bad we didn't get to see Jaedong vs Flash would have been awesome. But Jaedong vs Bisu was very good as well.

Also on the Flash vs Bisu game, if Flash's turrets had finished 3-5 secs earlier he would have taken it I think.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5092 Posts
November 19 2016 16:44 GMT
#520
On November 20 2016 01:20 LML wrote:
Please, they claimed that the Shield upgrade for Protoss increases the shield's regeneration rate in ASL. That's not even close to being an expert. Also many strategies they claimed as new were already being played 5 years ago. It's just new to them because they stopped doing BW when SC2 came out.

Sure, there's a difference between current knowledge, but that's not really the point here. You're absolutely right that they're not up to par with how the game is played in the present, but that doesn't make them not understand the game any longer.
They've been involved in the BW scene for a long time and going back to it simply refreshes everything. Even if they lag behind, it's not like they're completely out of the loop by seeing how the current meta is like. I think they can analyse how something works when it's played in a different way.
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