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Mod note: It is likely that this is an internal testing version not intended to be public yet. Battle.net reportedly does not work after patching, which indicates that it's not yet "released".
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
July 27 2016 15:11 GMT
#161
On July 27 2016 23:13 TT1 wrote:
are they nerfing cracklings? :3

no, go back to sc2
Broodwar for life!
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 15:45:56
July 27 2016 15:35 GMT
#162
The disbelievers are cute, but their disbelief is understandable because this is information that isn't really -super- well known. I mean, it's nothing fancy, but it's just that scanning URLs via bruteforce isn't something that occurs to most people.

This is exactly how every fansite has scanned for new patches for years - this is how mmo-champion and wowhead detected new patches when Blizzard was on the old protocol. In fact, this is how Blizzard accidentally leaked the alpha for one of the WoW expansions, many years ago (and gave us a nice C&D for covering it, RIP).

You take a known real patch URL, say, the ftp.blizzard.com download link for 1.16, then you bruteforce various potential new numbers repeatedly (probably, [1-2].[1-2][0-9] with an optional a-z in this case) and spam eternally. Have the program send you an email when it gets something that isn't a 404/500.

Of course, this doesn't work anymore because of NGDP, Blizzard's new download protocol, which ensures that all URLs like this are hashed and basically unguessable. However, old games are not using that system (or even the system that existed before that, lol).

I'm actually mildly surprised that the SC community doesn't have a tool for doing this kind of scanning running on at least one PC.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10007 Posts
July 27 2016 15:42 GMT
#163
On July 28 2016 00:11 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 23:13 TT1 wrote:
are they nerfing cracklings? :3

no, go back to sc2


HEY, i havnt played SC2 since WoL
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6577 Posts
July 27 2016 15:43 GMT
#164
On July 28 2016 00:35 dcemuser wrote:
The disbelievers are cute.

This is exactly how every fansite has scanned for new patches for years - this is how mmo-champion and wowhead detected new patches when Blizzard was on the old protocol. In fact, this is how Blizzard accidentally leaked the alpha for one of the WoW expansions, many years ago.

You take a known real patch URL, say, the ftp.blizzard.com download link for 1.16, then you bruteforce various potential new numbers repeatedly (probably, [1-2].[1-2][0-9] with an optional a-z in this case) and spam eternally. Have the program send you an email when it gets something that isn't a 404/500.

Of course, this doesn't work anymore because of NGDP, but old games are not using that system (or even the system that existed before that, lol).

I'm mildly surprised that the SC community doesn't have a tool like this running on at least one PC.

are you a belieber ?
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6577 Posts
July 27 2016 15:45 GMT
#165
On July 28 2016 00:42 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 00:11 Cele wrote:
On July 27 2016 23:13 TT1 wrote:
are they nerfing cracklings? :3

no, go back to sc2


HEY, i havnt played SC2 since WoL

how much are u liking lotv ? i saw you playing 2v2 ^^
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
July 27 2016 15:46 GMT
#166
On July 28 2016 00:42 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 00:11 Cele wrote:
On July 27 2016 23:13 TT1 wrote:
are they nerfing cracklings? :3

no, go back to sc2


HEY, i havnt played SC2 since WoL


hehe (;
Broodwar for life!
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10007 Posts
July 27 2016 16:26 GMT
#167
On July 28 2016 00:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 00:42 TT1 wrote:
On July 28 2016 00:11 Cele wrote:
On July 27 2016 23:13 TT1 wrote:
are they nerfing cracklings? :3

no, go back to sc2


HEY, i havnt played SC2 since WoL

how much are u liking lotv ? i saw you playing 2v2 ^^


yea i only play 2v2 once in a while, its ok
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
July 27 2016 16:43 GMT
#168
On July 27 2016 08:20 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 18:09 bduddy wrote:
On July 26 2016 16:05 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 15:49 bduddy wrote:
If you people somehow think http://ftp.blizzard.com is a scam, then please, learn about how the Internet actually works before you spew any more of your "wisdom" here. The patch is 100% legit, although possibly not intended to be released yet. Enjoy your new palettes.


That's exactly why I'm skeptical because I know how the internet works. On the other hand, you don't. Go learn a little bit about spoof URLs, spoof e-mails, etc before you talk about internet security.
Because messing with email headers or adding a bunch of garbage to a URL is the same this as somehow hijacking an entire domain on blizzard.com. Right. Please stop talking before you really hurt someone. Having a single domain deal in multiple protocols is incredibly common and normal.

EDIT: typhoonius is completely correct, except I know that Firefox does support FTP, and Chrome probably does too although I never use it so I'm not sure.


Are you stupid or what? How can you hurt anyone? Please stop exaggerating.

Stay cool. Keep it civil.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
July 27 2016 17:29 GMT
#169
On July 27 2016 22:42 Dumbledore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 08:20 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 18:09 bduddy wrote:
On July 26 2016 16:05 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 15:49 bduddy wrote:
If you people somehow think http://ftp.blizzard.com is a scam, then please, learn about how the Internet actually works before you spew any more of your "wisdom" here. The patch is 100% legit, although possibly not intended to be released yet. Enjoy your new palettes.


That's exactly why I'm skeptical because I know how the internet works. On the other hand, you don't. Go learn a little bit about spoof URLs, spoof e-mails, etc before you talk about internet security.
Because messing with email headers or adding a bunch of garbage to a URL is the same this as somehow hijacking an entire domain on blizzard.com. Right. Please stop talking before you really hurt someone. Having a single domain deal in multiple protocols is incredibly common and normal.

EDIT: typhoonius is completely correct, except I know that Firefox does support FTP, and Chrome probably does too although I never use it so I'm not sure.


Are you stupid or what? How can you hurt anyone? Please stop exaggerating.


Stop embarassing yourself and learn how domains work.


I know how domains work. Thanks very much. You missed the point.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
July 27 2016 17:43 GMT
#170
On July 27 2016 17:55 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 17:39 xboi209 wrote:
Report: Blizzard is looking to remove unused game protocols such as Local Area Network (IPX), Modem, and Direct Cable Connection. They're logging the total and monthly amount of games we play on each protocol.

Additional research has been published at BNETDocs.org.


Removing LAN? How will tournaments play? Log on Asia server? WTF?


Just the IPX protocol, which has been deprecated for a long time now. TCP/UDP is the de facto standard today.
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Valeranth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States100 Posts
July 27 2016 17:46 GMT
#171
On July 28 2016 02:29 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 22:42 Dumbledore wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:20 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 18:09 bduddy wrote:
On July 26 2016 16:05 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 15:49 bduddy wrote:
If you people somehow think http://ftp.blizzard.com is a scam, then please, learn about how the Internet actually works before you spew any more of your "wisdom" here. The patch is 100% legit, although possibly not intended to be released yet. Enjoy your new palettes.


That's exactly why I'm skeptical because I know how the internet works. On the other hand, you don't. Go learn a little bit about spoof URLs, spoof e-mails, etc before you talk about internet security.
Because messing with email headers or adding a bunch of garbage to a URL is the same this as somehow hijacking an entire domain on blizzard.com. Right. Please stop talking before you really hurt someone. Having a single domain deal in multiple protocols is incredibly common and normal.

EDIT: typhoonius is completely correct, except I know that Firefox does support FTP, and Chrome probably does too although I never use it so I'm not sure.


Are you stupid or what? How can you hurt anyone? Please stop exaggerating.


Stop embarassing yourself and learn how domains work.


I know how domains work. Thanks very much. You missed the point.


Could you explain the point then? Right now it seems like you think it might be spoofed because of the ftp part despite it being a blizzard.com domain.
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1762 Posts
July 27 2016 17:58 GMT
#172
If this patch doesnt contain micro transactions and a instant rank boost buy option then its not confirmed blizz
asdasdasdasdasd123123123
DrDevice
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada132 Posts
July 27 2016 18:03 GMT
#173
On July 28 2016 02:46 Valeranth wrote:
Could you explain the point then? Right now it seems like you think it might be spoofed because of the ftp part despite it being a blizzard.com domain.
Seems like that is what he thinks, yes. He's just clueless. He seems to think the protocol portion of the URL is part of the domain, and clearly just doesn't grasp how DNS functions.

Obviously whoever controls the DNS for blizzard.com has control over the response to any DNS query regarding blizzard.com regardless of subdomain or protocol. So yeah with a basic understanding of the internet it is easy to see that if any link of the form X://Y.blizzard.com/ is bringing us to a compromised server then blizzard.com must itself be compromised. This idea that ftp://ftp.blizzard.com could be legit while http://ftp.blizzard.com is somehow a scam URL is pure nonsense. I would love to hear an explanation of how this spoofing would supposedly be accomplished.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
July 27 2016 18:48 GMT
#174
On July 28 2016 02:46 Valeranth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 02:29 Shield wrote:
On July 27 2016 22:42 Dumbledore wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:20 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 18:09 bduddy wrote:
On July 26 2016 16:05 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 15:49 bduddy wrote:
If you people somehow think http://ftp.blizzard.com is a scam, then please, learn about how the Internet actually works before you spew any more of your "wisdom" here. The patch is 100% legit, although possibly not intended to be released yet. Enjoy your new palettes.


That's exactly why I'm skeptical because I know how the internet works. On the other hand, you don't. Go learn a little bit about spoof URLs, spoof e-mails, etc before you talk about internet security.
Because messing with email headers or adding a bunch of garbage to a URL is the same this as somehow hijacking an entire domain on blizzard.com. Right. Please stop talking before you really hurt someone. Having a single domain deal in multiple protocols is incredibly common and normal.

EDIT: typhoonius is completely correct, except I know that Firefox does support FTP, and Chrome probably does too although I never use it so I'm not sure.


Are you stupid or what? How can you hurt anyone? Please stop exaggerating.


Stop embarassing yourself and learn how domains work.


I know how domains work. Thanks very much. You missed the point.


Could you explain the point then? Right now it seems like you think it might be spoofed because of the ftp part despite it being a blizzard.com domain.


No, I don't think it's spoofed but it was part of my initial suspicions (I read about spoofed URLs later). When I said I'm skeptical exactly because I know how the internet works that was a general statement. Just because of how the internet can screw you such as man-in-the-middle-attack, IP address spoof, e-mail spoof, etc. While I'm not a network security guy, I'm a software engineer so I'm cautious what I do. Better safe than sorry. No need for some people to be assholes, really (I don't mean you specifically when I reply to your post).
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 19:31:27
July 27 2016 19:28 GMT
#175
On July 28 2016 02:29 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 22:42 Dumbledore wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:20 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 18:09 bduddy wrote:
On July 26 2016 16:05 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 15:49 bduddy wrote:
If you people somehow think http://ftp.blizzard.com is a scam, then please, learn about how the Internet actually works before you spew any more of your "wisdom" here. The patch is 100% legit, although possibly not intended to be released yet. Enjoy your new palettes.


That's exactly why I'm skeptical because I know how the internet works. On the other hand, you don't. Go learn a little bit about spoof URLs, spoof e-mails, etc before you talk about internet security.
Because messing with email headers or adding a bunch of garbage to a URL is the same this as somehow hijacking an entire domain on blizzard.com. Right. Please stop talking before you really hurt someone. Having a single domain deal in multiple protocols is incredibly common and normal.

EDIT: typhoonius is completely correct, except I know that Firefox does support FTP, and Chrome probably does too although I never use it so I'm not sure.


Are you stupid or what? How can you hurt anyone? Please stop exaggerating.


Stop embarassing yourself and learn how domains work.


I know how domains work. Thanks very much. You missed the point.


No, you missed the point. He clearly understands more than you do. Stop posting non-sense. Yes, we know there's spoofing, but as was already concluded, this is not the case here, so just stop.

On July 28 2016 03:48 Shield wrote:
No, I don't think it's spoofed but it was part of my initial suspicions (I read about spoofed URLs later). When I said I'm skeptical exactly because I know how the internet works that was a general statement. Just because of how the internet can screw you such as man-in-the-middle-attack, IP address spoof, e-mail spoof, etc. While I'm not a network security guy, I'm a software engineer so I'm cautious what I do. Better safe than sorry. No need for some people to be assholes, really (I don't mean you specifically when I reply to your post).


You were the bigger asshole there, especially considering he was right (plus, you were the first to directly insult by saying he's stupid, when in fact, he understands more than you do). Yes, you know something about spoofing/etc., but when people who know more than you say it's not, it's time to shut up and listen/learn, instead of digging yourself deeper into the hole. It will benefit you more in the long run.

That being said, I understand what you were trying to say, and it's a generally valid point, and a good rule of thumb. You just gotta present it better and not react like that, especially when people already addressed that point.
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 19:56:39
July 27 2016 19:54 GMT
#176
On July 28 2016 04:28 quirinus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 02:29 Shield wrote:
On July 27 2016 22:42 Dumbledore wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:20 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 18:09 bduddy wrote:
On July 26 2016 16:05 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 15:49 bduddy wrote:
If you people somehow think http://ftp.blizzard.com is a scam, then please, learn about how the Internet actually works before you spew any more of your "wisdom" here. The patch is 100% legit, although possibly not intended to be released yet. Enjoy your new palettes.


That's exactly why I'm skeptical because I know how the internet works. On the other hand, you don't. Go learn a little bit about spoof URLs, spoof e-mails, etc before you talk about internet security.
Because messing with email headers or adding a bunch of garbage to a URL is the same this as somehow hijacking an entire domain on blizzard.com. Right. Please stop talking before you really hurt someone. Having a single domain deal in multiple protocols is incredibly common and normal.

EDIT: typhoonius is completely correct, except I know that Firefox does support FTP, and Chrome probably does too although I never use it so I'm not sure.


Are you stupid or what? How can you hurt anyone? Please stop exaggerating.


Stop embarassing yourself and learn how domains work.


I know how domains work. Thanks very much. You missed the point.


No, you missed the point. He clearly understands more than you do. Stop posting non-sense. Yes, we know there's spoofing, but as was already concluded, this is not the case here, so just stop.

Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 03:48 Shield wrote:
No, I don't think it's spoofed but it was part of my initial suspicions (I read about spoofed URLs later). When I said I'm skeptical exactly because I know how the internet works that was a general statement. Just because of how the internet can screw you such as man-in-the-middle-attack, IP address spoof, e-mail spoof, etc. While I'm not a network security guy, I'm a software engineer so I'm cautious what I do. Better safe than sorry. No need for some people to be assholes, really (I don't mean you specifically when I reply to your post).


You were the bigger asshole there, especially considering he was right (plus, you were the first to directly insult by saying he's stupid, when in fact, he understands more than you do). Yes, you know something about spoofing/etc., but when people who know more than you say it's not, it's time to shut up and listen/learn, instead of digging yourself deeper into the hole. It will benefit you more in the long run.

That being said, I understand what you were trying to say, and it's a generally valid point, and a good rule of thumb. You just gotta present it better and not react like that, especially when people already addressed that point.


It's not about if he understands more or not. It's about his exaggeration, "stop talking before you really hurt someone". No one is physically hurt. Not even emotionally. I still stand by my question to him earlier.
Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
July 27 2016 20:06 GMT
#177
On July 27 2016 17:39 xboi209 wrote:
Report: Blizzard is looking to remove unused game protocols such as Local Area Network (IPX), Modem, and Direct Cable Connection. They're logging the total and monthly amount of games we play on each protocol.

Additional research has been published at BNETDocs.org.

Any evidence that they are looking to remove those protocols? Are those logs being transmitted automatically over Bnet?

Back in the day I used null modem cables to play with a friend Ethernet deprecated all those protocols :/
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden515 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 20:30:28
July 27 2016 20:28 GMT
#178
On July 28 2016 04:54 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 04:28 quirinus wrote:
On July 28 2016 02:29 Shield wrote:
On July 27 2016 22:42 Dumbledore wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:20 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 18:09 bduddy wrote:
On July 26 2016 16:05 Shield wrote:
On July 26 2016 15:49 bduddy wrote:
If you people somehow think http://ftp.blizzard.com is a scam, then please, learn about how the Internet actually works before you spew any more of your "wisdom" here. The patch is 100% legit, although possibly not intended to be released yet. Enjoy your new palettes.


That's exactly why I'm skeptical because I know how the internet works. On the other hand, you don't. Go learn a little bit about spoof URLs, spoof e-mails, etc before you talk about internet security.
Because messing with email headers or adding a bunch of garbage to a URL is the same this as somehow hijacking an entire domain on blizzard.com. Right. Please stop talking before you really hurt someone. Having a single domain deal in multiple protocols is incredibly common and normal.

EDIT: typhoonius is completely correct, except I know that Firefox does support FTP, and Chrome probably does too although I never use it so I'm not sure.


Are you stupid or what? How can you hurt anyone? Please stop exaggerating.


Stop embarassing yourself and learn how domains work.


I know how domains work. Thanks very much. You missed the point.


No, you missed the point. He clearly understands more than you do. Stop posting non-sense. Yes, we know there's spoofing, but as was already concluded, this is not the case here, so just stop.

On July 28 2016 03:48 Shield wrote:
No, I don't think it's spoofed but it was part of my initial suspicions (I read about spoofed URLs later). When I said I'm skeptical exactly because I know how the internet works that was a general statement. Just because of how the internet can screw you such as man-in-the-middle-attack, IP address spoof, e-mail spoof, etc. While I'm not a network security guy, I'm a software engineer so I'm cautious what I do. Better safe than sorry. No need for some people to be assholes, really (I don't mean you specifically when I reply to your post).


You were the bigger asshole there, especially considering he was right (plus, you were the first to directly insult by saying he's stupid, when in fact, he understands more than you do). Yes, you know something about spoofing/etc., but when people who know more than you say it's not, it's time to shut up and listen/learn, instead of digging yourself deeper into the hole. It will benefit you more in the long run.

That being said, I understand what you were trying to say, and it's a generally valid point, and a good rule of thumb. You just gotta present it better and not react like that, especially when people already addressed that point.


It's not about if he understands more or not. It's about his exaggeration, "stop talking before you really hurt someone". No one is physically hurt. Not even emotionally. I still stand by my question to him earlier.



Please stop...

Q: I haven't read all the pages. Are blizzard planning on doing game changing balance patches? Are they planning/trying on getting b.net for brood war to be more active?
xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
July 27 2016 20:35 GMT
#179
On July 28 2016 05:06 Biolunar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 17:39 xboi209 wrote:
Report: Blizzard is looking to remove unused game protocols such as Local Area Network (IPX), Modem, and Direct Cable Connection. They're logging the total and monthly amount of games we play on each protocol.

Additional research has been published at BNETDocs.org.

Any evidence that they are looking to remove those protocols? Are those logs being transmitted automatically over Bnet?

Back in the day I used null modem cables to play with a friend Ethernet deprecated all those protocols :/

If you read the linked article, you find an example of these log files: https://gist.github.com/RElesgoe/fc9a9fda51d6e1b5f2f661fc621f6783
In GameCreationLog.bin, someone from Blizzard wrote:

//Log of all the network games played in order to determine what protocols
//are no longer being used by the community.

I'm assuming SystemSurvey.exe will send these logs you allow Blizzard to collect them (there's a checkmark box when you patch).

On July 28 2016 05:28 A.Alm wrote:
Q: I haven't read all the pages. Are blizzard planning on doing game changing balance patches? Are they planning/trying on getting b.net for brood war to be more active?

They're working on making the game compatible with modern operating systems and fixing bugs.
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
Valeranth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States100 Posts
July 27 2016 20:45 GMT
#180
On July 28 2016 05:28 A.Alm wrote:

Q: I haven't read all the pages. Are blizzard planning on doing game changing balance patches? Are they planning/trying on getting b.net for brood war to be more active?


Not sure if they are trying to make BW more active, but they are doing patches for legacy games to help them run better on modern systems. They have already done one for BW a few months ago (forget what it had) and are / have done some for D2.
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