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Recently I've been searching about monitors to understand how CRT makes a difference when you compare it to LCD (Modern Monitor).
I hear that CRT monitors are better for fps and rts games compare to LCD monitors. When I looked at my monitor's spec, I found out that my monitor response time is 5 ms and 60&75 Hertz for the refresh rate.
Sometimes I feel somewhat slow when I play my games to do some mutalisk micro or wraith micro. So what I am wondering is that 1 ms with about 150 Hertz refresh rate monitor would make a difference to my 5 ms response time and 60 Hertz setting.
After I've been searching for the information, I remembered what effort said about xp and win 7 slow response issue. Do win xp and win 7 make a difference with the response time? Because I don't think that way anymore after I watched a few games of reesep7's stream (he uses win xp, and looks about the same response time).
So, here are my questions, and somewhat we should all discuss and understand more about this.
1) is there a difference between win xp and win 7 in game?
2) related to question #1, what if both operation systems use same monitor? One for CRT and LCD setting.
3) how is 5 ms response time and 60 to 75 Hertz monitor different to 1ms GTG (Grey to Grey) response time and about 150 Hertz monitor when you are playing starcraft?
For question #3, I read the information, but I would still like to hear from people who actually have tried playing with a 1 ms response time and high refresh rate monitor.
Here is a link I read about monitor's advertisement (it's Korean, but there are a lot of images so it will be easy to understand).
Click to open the link
Click "상세정보" to see monitor's spec.
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I have a 120hz CRT and a 60hz LED 5ms and there's a noticeable difference in BW. Reason I don't have a 144hz LED is because of money.
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On March 18 2016 11:02 Scarbo wrote:
I have a 120hz CRT and a 60hz LED 5ms and there's a noticeable difference in BW. Reason I don't have a 144hz LED is because of money.
Can you possibly record a video for both monitors in games? (#L2 game room and UDP)
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Input latency of your monitors might also have something to do with it?
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On March 18 2016 11:06 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 11:02 Scarbo wrote:
I have a 120hz CRT and a 60hz LED 5ms and there's a noticeable difference in BW. Reason I don't have a 144hz LED is because of money. Can you possibly record a video for both monitors in games? (#L2 game room and UDP)
I can't, but even if I could you wouldn't be able to see any difference if you're using a 60hz monitor to watch the videos,
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btw that standard 5ms response time is based off how the pixel changes from black white black, its not the same variable as the GtG 1ms response time. also neither of these are the same as input lag (which is also a key factor for gaming) which is not advertised by the manufacturer.
also manufacturers love to cough up any numbers they want for advertising, so don't take the numbers at face value. BTW is usually higher than GtG, manufacturers will just simply pick the latter for advertising.
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also you might want to read up on the different panel technologies TN, VA, IPS...
the one monitor you linked is a TN panel which is generally good for fast -paced gaming but may have lower display quality
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On March 18 2016 11:02 Scarbo wrote:
I have a 120hz CRT and a 60hz LED 5ms and there's a noticeable difference in BW. Reason I don't have a 144hz LED is because of money.
Can you still record a video with 120hz CRT? You can easily record a video with OBS or FRAPS.
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On March 18 2016 11:43 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 11:02 Scarbo wrote:
I have a 120hz CRT and a 60hz LED 5ms and there's a noticeable difference in BW. Reason I don't have a 144hz LED is because of money. Can you still record a video with 120hz CRT? You can easily record a video with OBS or FRAPS.
I can't. Recording a video at 120fps is no joke, and too much for my old computer. Like I said it won't make a difference unless you're watching on a high frequency monitor, in which case you might as well just play on it and see for yourself. All I can say is that it makes a noticeable difference (mouse moves smoother, screen moves smoother and response time is faster). The monitor you're using seems to be the bottom of the barrel for gaming. Any game that's not locked at 60fps and you're gonna have a disadvantage.
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On March 18 2016 11:54 Scarbo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 11:43 LaStScan wrote:On March 18 2016 11:02 Scarbo wrote:
I have a 120hz CRT and a 60hz LED 5ms and there's a noticeable difference in BW. Reason I don't have a 144hz LED is because of money. Can you still record a video with 120hz CRT? You can easily record a video with OBS or FRAPS. I can't. Recording a video at 120fps is no joke, and too much for my old computer. Like I said it won't make a difference unless you're watching on a high frequency monitor, in which case you might as well just play on it and see for yourself. All I can say is that it makes a noticeable difference (mouse moves smoother, screen moves smoother and response time is faster). The monitor you're using seems to be the bottom of the barrel for gaming. Any game that's not locked at 60fps and you're gonna have a disadvantage.
Wait.. I don't understand. What's your computer's operating system?
Btw, you can lock and record a video at 30fps with fraps and OBS.
Can you also describe how fast it responds?(in terms of seconds please)
Also, what do you mean that any games that are not locked at 60fps will give you the disadvantage?
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On March 18 2016 13:15 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 11:54 Scarbo wrote:On March 18 2016 11:43 LaStScan wrote:On March 18 2016 11:02 Scarbo wrote:
I have a 120hz CRT and a 60hz LED 5ms and there's a noticeable difference in BW. Reason I don't have a 144hz LED is because of money. Can you still record a video with 120hz CRT? You can easily record a video with OBS or FRAPS. I can't. Recording a video at 120fps is no joke, and too much for my old computer. Like I said it won't make a difference unless you're watching on a high frequency monitor, in which case you might as well just play on it and see for yourself. All I can say is that it makes a noticeable difference (mouse moves smoother, screen moves smoother and response time is faster). The monitor you're using seems to be the bottom of the barrel for gaming. Any game that's not locked at 60fps and you're gonna have a disadvantage. Wait.. I don't understand. What's your computer's operating system? Btw, you can lock and record a video at 30fps with fraps and OBS. Can you also describe how fast it responds?(in terms of seconds please) Also, what do you mean that any games that are not locked at 60fps will give you the disadvantage?
Win7 64bits
Here's how it works: the frequency that your monitor runs is how many times the monitor updates per second. A 60hz monitor will update 60 times, a 144hz one will do so 144 times. This means that if you, for example, switch your screen from your main to your natural, the monitor that updates more times per second will show the image you want first.
Response time (in ms) is how fast the pixel can change from one color to the next. This also affects how fast the monitor shows you what you want to see, and also how clear moving images appear (as opposed to blurred).
That's why you can't just watch a video at 30fps and see those differences. The only way is for you to have the monitor in front of you and try it for yourself. When I talk about games not locked at 60fps is because 60hz is the standard refresh rate for most LCD and LED monitors, so if the game you're playing is capable of going higher (for example StarCraft, Counter-Strike, Quake), you're going to be at a disadvantage vs players with better monitors.
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On March 18 2016 11:43 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 11:02 Scarbo wrote:
I have a 120hz CRT and a 60hz LED 5ms and there's a noticeable difference in BW. Reason I don't have a 144hz LED is because of money. Can you still record a video with 120hz CRT? You can easily record a video with OBS or FRAPS.
You set the frame rate separately from the Hz of your monitor.
Also in almost all cases 30 fps for a recording is plenty.
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On March 18 2016 14:18 Scarbo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 13:15 LaStScan wrote:On March 18 2016 11:54 Scarbo wrote:On March 18 2016 11:43 LaStScan wrote:On March 18 2016 11:02 Scarbo wrote:
I have a 120hz CRT and a 60hz LED 5ms and there's a noticeable difference in BW. Reason I don't have a 144hz LED is because of money. Can you still record a video with 120hz CRT? You can easily record a video with OBS or FRAPS. I can't. Recording a video at 120fps is no joke, and too much for my old computer. Like I said it won't make a difference unless you're watching on a high frequency monitor, in which case you might as well just play on it and see for yourself. All I can say is that it makes a noticeable difference (mouse moves smoother, screen moves smoother and response time is faster). The monitor you're using seems to be the bottom of the barrel for gaming. Any game that's not locked at 60fps and you're gonna have a disadvantage. Wait.. I don't understand. What's your computer's operating system? Btw, you can lock and record a video at 30fps with fraps and OBS. Can you also describe how fast it responds?(in terms of seconds please) Also, what do you mean that any games that are not locked at 60fps will give you the disadvantage? Win7 64bits Here's how it works: the frequency that your monitor runs is how many times the monitor updates per second. A 60hz monitor will update 60 times, a 144hz one will do so 144 times. This means that if you, for example, switch your screen from your main to your natural, the monitor that updates more times per second will show the image you want first. Response time (in ms) is how fast the pixel can change from one color to the next. This also affects how fast the monitor shows you what you want to see, and also how clear moving images appear (as opposed to blurred). That's why you can't just watch a video at 30fps and see those differences. The only way is for you to have the monitor in front of you and try it for yourself. When I talk about games not locked at 60fps is because 60hz is the standard refresh rate for most LCD and LED monitors, so if the game you're playing is capable of going higher (for example StarCraft, Counter-Strike, Quake), you're going to be at a disadvantage vs players with better monitors.
True, but that difference between 60-120 will not matter unless your a top player in your game, and even then I doubt it would change anything unless your playing something like cs or quacke.
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On March 20 2016 07:09 sabas123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2016 14:18 Scarbo wrote:On March 18 2016 13:15 LaStScan wrote:On March 18 2016 11:54 Scarbo wrote:On March 18 2016 11:43 LaStScan wrote:On March 18 2016 11:02 Scarbo wrote:
I have a 120hz CRT and a 60hz LED 5ms and there's a noticeable difference in BW. Reason I don't have a 144hz LED is because of money. Can you still record a video with 120hz CRT? You can easily record a video with OBS or FRAPS. I can't. Recording a video at 120fps is no joke, and too much for my old computer. Like I said it won't make a difference unless you're watching on a high frequency monitor, in which case you might as well just play on it and see for yourself. All I can say is that it makes a noticeable difference (mouse moves smoother, screen moves smoother and response time is faster). The monitor you're using seems to be the bottom of the barrel for gaming. Any game that's not locked at 60fps and you're gonna have a disadvantage. Wait.. I don't understand. What's your computer's operating system? Btw, you can lock and record a video at 30fps with fraps and OBS. Can you also describe how fast it responds?(in terms of seconds please) Also, what do you mean that any games that are not locked at 60fps will give you the disadvantage? Win7 64bits Here's how it works: the frequency that your monitor runs is how many times the monitor updates per second. A 60hz monitor will update 60 times, a 144hz one will do so 144 times. This means that if you, for example, switch your screen from your main to your natural, the monitor that updates more times per second will show the image you want first. Response time (in ms) is how fast the pixel can change from one color to the next. This also affects how fast the monitor shows you what you want to see, and also how clear moving images appear (as opposed to blurred). That's why you can't just watch a video at 30fps and see those differences. The only way is for you to have the monitor in front of you and try it for yourself. When I talk about games not locked at 60fps is because 60hz is the standard refresh rate for most LCD and LED monitors, so if the game you're playing is capable of going higher (for example StarCraft, Counter-Strike, Quake), you're going to be at a disadvantage vs players with better monitors. True, but that difference between 60-120 will not matter unless your a top player in your game, and even then I doubt it would change anything unless your playing something like cs or quacke.
It matters at any level, it becomes unsurpassable at the highest levels. Same can be applied to other high-end peripherals. There's also the quality of life factor.
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and so? are you really going to switch to using a CRT monitor to play? at this day and age?
10 years ago yeah LCD are inferior to CRT for gaming
but now good LCD/LED monitors today are almost comparable to CRT in terms of input lag anyway.
unless you live in a developing country and/or don't mind the awkwardness of a CRT monitor taking space in your home theres no reason to ever switch back to old CRT monitors again.
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On March 20 2016 14:17 Probemicro wrote:and so? are you really going to switch to using a CRT monitor to play? at this day and age? 10 years ago yeah LCD are inferior to CRT for gaming but now good LCD/LED monitors today are almost comparable to CRT in terms of input lag anyway. unless you live in a developing country and/or don't mind the awkwardness of a CRT monitor taking space in your home theres no reason to ever switch back to old CRT monitors again.
That is why I've been asking If 1ms GTG monitor with 144 Hertz is almost nearly same as CRT monitor.
I'm currently playing on 19" 1440x900 (8:5 aspect ratio) 5ms response time Asus monitor.
I feel it's a bit slow of response time when I keep switching back and forth between SC1 and SC2.
Once I can get some good information, I probably would like to try 1 ms GTG monitor and compare CRT monitor in the future.
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I don't think latency settings have anything to do with the monitor. The monitor's job is to display whatever is sent to it by the computer. It doesn't get involved in the processing of data at all. The games you showed are from Koreans, whereas as far as I know you live in the US, playing vs Koreans, so you can't compare lantecy and response times with those examples.
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On March 20 2016 15:19 Scarbo wrote:I don't think latency settings have anything to do with the monitor. The monitor's job is to display whatever is sent to it by the computer. It doesn't get involved in the processing of data at all. The games you showed are from Koreans, whereas as far as I know you live in the US, playing vs Koreans, so you can't compare lantecy and response times with those examples.
unlike CRT, LCD/LED do have an (albeit small) input lag (time taken between pressing the key and the result showing on the screen). but this is separate from in built Bnet latency (which is fixed by latencychanger's #l1, #l2 etc..)
also scan is playing from US so that 100+ms latency is pretty significant at his level of play no matter how optimal his setup is.
though playing terran helps to mitigate that a little.
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