EPTFlash Post-Stream Interview Feb. 22 - Page 5
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Grettin
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shin ken
Germany612 Posts
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neptunusfisk
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
I think one of the changes is the fact that Kespa is no longer overseeing the BW scene. It allows for more friendly banter in game (I know zero and Flash were chatting early game when they could sneak in some messages). Back in the kespa days, anything other than a "pp" would lose you the game (it wasn't always like this. Yellow and Boxer would go on some funny conversations about how units were OP in game). Back before kespa made everything super professional, I think the games were themselves were spaces where viewers and fans could see players interact with each other. I think this amateur scene kinda promotes that more. Just my two cents | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:00 Bisu-Fan wrote: I think one of the changes is the fact that Kespa is no longer overseeing the BW scene. It allows for more friendly banter in game (I know zero and Flash were chatting early game when they could sneak in some messages). Back in the kespa days, anything other than a "pp" would lose you the game (it wasn't always like this. Yellow and Boxer would go on some funny conversations about how units were OP in game). Back before kespa made everything super professional, I think the games were themselves were spaces where viewers and fans could see players interact with each other. I think this amateur scene kinda promotes that more. Just my two cents Well Kespa's ban of chat is sort of because Boxer confused his oponnents once making him think he couldn't put down a 2nd factory in base because it was too small or something like that. But as i recall it was pretty far fetched. | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
I get it ! But I dont get it! I mean , I get what he mean , but I dont get how they are so certain ... Flash nv play for 4 years, but Sea still reconize Flash just by ... play against him? Feel like magic. Or maybe instinct... Memory? | ||
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Scarbo
294 Posts
On February 25 2016 03:03 FFW_Rude wrote: Well Kespa's ban of chat is sort of because Boxer confused his oponnents once making him think he couldn't put down a 2nd factory in base because it was too small or something like that. But as i recall it was pretty far fetched. The origin of the chat ban goes back to 2005. At the Daum Direct OnGameNet Dual Tournament, the emperor Boxer (OSL record of 84 wins and 52 losses then) played against a new player Junitoss (OSL record of 1 win and 2 losses then). The map was Forte which has a small main base. In the middle of the game, Boxer went for a hidden Factory and typed what is translated into English as "no space :[" on the chatting line in an attempt to trick Junitoss into thinking that he had no space to build additional Factories due to the small main base. Junitoss lost the match. Whether he was tricked or not, Boxer's message was likely to disturb the new player who is not used to the psychological aspects of StarCraft. After this match, a debate ensued, some arguing Boxer's action was a valid strategy while some arguing that it was not fair. Later, the chat ban was implemented. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/93479-debate-gorush-disqualified-chatting-during-game | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
On February 25 2016 04:31 duke91 wrote: It was also Boxer who was responsible for that allying an opponent was forbidden, because he used the spidermine trick which was deemed to overpowered And the lift/land buildings to blow up interceptors if I recall correctly haha | ||
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
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OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
On February 24 2016 04:12 prech wrote: Thanks Bisu-Fan! It's too bad  Flash's wrist keeps bothering him -- already a challenge to recoup his BW abilities after so many years, so that can't help  Sounds like Flash has good relationships with lots of folks, so I'm really surprised Flash didn't find a friend to help him set up his stream, like  Rain or someone...  Calm had hero, Bisu had Larva, etc. Rain did help him a lot on background music and stuff like that. Tbh Afreeca guy was useless af | ||
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
On February 25 2016 03:11 XiaoJoyce- wrote: The "This is 100% X Player" just by playing against that player. I get it ! But I dont get it! I mean , I get what he mean , but I dont get how they are so certain ... Flash nv play for 4 years, but Sea still reconize Flash just by ... play against him? Feel like magic. Or maybe instinct... Memory? Well that's Sea. He may not have been 100% sure, but if he have a hunch he will say it. Don't forget that although Flash is out of practice, Sea would notice easily that he was a elite player. Even when out of practice, there are very few terrans who could measure up to Flash. And Sea could probably figure out fairly quickly that it wasn't a active player. So that would narrow it down to a handful elite former progamer terrans. He can probably tell the difference between those guys to an extent. It's kind of his job to know his opponents, and Flash is probably the player he analyzed the most throughout his career. | ||
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RushWifDietCoke
United States488 Posts
On February 25 2016 03:11 XiaoJoyce- wrote: The "This is 100% X Player" just by playing against that player. I get it ! But I dont get it! I mean , I get what he mean , but I dont get how they are so certain ... Flash nv play for 4 years, but Sea still reconize Flash just by ... play against him? Feel like magic. Or maybe instinct... Memory? Same hotkeys | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
On February 25 2016 03:11 XiaoJoyce- wrote: The "This is 100% X Player" just by playing against that player. I get it ! But I dont get it! I mean , I get what he mean , but I dont get how they are so certain ... Flash nv play for 4 years, but Sea still reconize Flash just by ... play against him? Feel like magic. Or maybe instinct... Memory? When you play against a player for years, you'll remember their tedencies, build placements, how they play and stuff. Every pro can probably know how every other pro plays honestly. | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
But still it is amazing . .  | ||
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usopsama
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On February 25 2016 15:02 L1ghtning wrote: Well that's Sea. He may not have been 100% sure, but if he have a hunch he will say it. Don't forget that although Flash is out of practice, Sea would notice easily that he was a elite player. Even when out of practice, there are very few terrans who could measure up to Flash. And Sea could probably figure out fairly quickly that it wasn't a active player. So that would narrow it down to a handful elite former progamer terrans. He can probably tell the difference between those guys to an extent. It's kind of his job to know his opponents, and Flash is probably the player he analyzed the most throughout his career. Yea to add to this when Larva played Flash before his account was confirmed, Larva said whoever the terran is hes on the same level as the other top terrans. So there is this terran whose id does not match any of the current ex-pro terrans but the unknown terran is on their level. Flash has recently announced that he would be streaming and is practicing. The terran has a lot of habits that Flash was known for such as not rallying his scvs. I think adding all these together it wouldn't be too difficult for players to figure out they were playing Flash and more so if they have had experience playing with him before. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
What's a BJ? Apart from... Well you know. And I don't think flash was talking about that. ty VV | ||
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evanchristo
Australia12 Posts
On February 25 2016 18:53 Cascade wrote: What's a BJ? in korea they call steamers bj's or broadcast jockeys | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On February 25 2016 05:56 Bisu-Fan wrote: And the lift/land buildings to blow up interceptors if I recall correctly haha That was banned ? Didn't knew that | ||
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