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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51705 Posts
On March 07 2016 03:56 ZiggyPG wrote: is it safe to assume flash is going to win the next AfreecaTV StarLeague yet? Most probably, it'll really come down to how much everyone else is going to be practicing, because as it stands he's definitely going to win any league he competes in. | ||
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kogeT
Poland2042 Posts
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johanes
Czech Republic2246 Posts
On March 07 2016 03:56 ZiggyPG wrote: is it safe to assume flash is going to win the next AfreecaTV StarLeague yet? He is susceptible to protoss cheese, best/bisu/shuttle might kick him out, zero/hero/effort have some chances too. But thats about it. | ||
Ziggy
South Korea2107 Posts
On March 07 2016 04:20 johanes wrote: He is susceptible to protoss cheese, best/bisu/shuttle might kick him out, zero/hero/effort have some chances too. But thats about it. I guess you're right, not many seem to be able to keep up with him in macro. Though his style hasn't changed much, I've just finished re-watching the 2010 WCG playoffs, quite similar to what he also plays now. | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2107 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Ziggy
South Korea2107 Posts
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kogeT
Poland2042 Posts
On March 07 2016 05:01 StylishVODs wrote: Flash plays very greedy, always 11 rax -> 15 cc vs zerg without even scouting the 12 hatch. I want to see how he responds to a 9 pool. But no one ever does it... Same questions I have.. 11 rax 15cc vs zerg, also 15 CC vs protoss. Vs protoss he at least scouts early (12 scout when going rax FE) but still.. | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2107 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On March 07 2016 05:15 kogeT wrote: Same questions I have.. 11 rax 15cc vs zerg, also 15 CC vs protoss. Vs protoss he at least scouts early (12 scout when going rax FE) but still.. Vs toss, i feel that we've seen some agressive openings and how flash handles it. Also I feel 15 CC is the safest FE vs toss, atleast for 2gate goon or tech openings. However zerg, not a single 9 pool and I really don't know what he would do. Even if he's confident in his SCV micro, he will lose alot on it. When I do 15 CC vs zerg, it's only cause I send my 10th scv, turn at first scout expansion and then get to a second scout expansion before having to place 15 suply so i can place CC instead. So I have 66.6% chance of finding the 12 hatch. But flash.... greeeed=) | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On March 07 2016 08:56 StylishVODs wrote: Vs toss, i feel that we've seen some agressive openings and how flash handles it. Also I feel 15 CC is the safest FE vs toss, atleast for 2gate goon or tech openings. However zerg, not a single 9 pool and I really don't know what he would do. Even if he's confident in his SCV micro, he will lose alot on it. When I do 15 CC vs zerg, it's only cause I send my 10th scv, turn at first scout expansion and then get to a second scout expansion before having to place 15 suply so i can place CC instead. So I have 66.6% chance of finding the 12 hatch. But flash.... greeeed=) vs protoss, 15cc's only hard counter is dual proxy gate I believe, so he's only slightly greedy there. And with flash's scv control I can see him even holding that some of the time. vs zerg maybe if he doesn't scout neither a 12hatch nor 9pool on the first position, he is just taking his chance. Or it is some star sense because there is no drone scout and he is confident in holding it on cross position. It will be certainly interesting to see when we finally have a 9pool. That said, 10th scout does that even make sense? I mean, only 33% of the time it can be beneficial. (33% of the time a 12th scv would scout the 12hatch in time for 15cc, too). And even then, is 17 or even 19 cc with 12 scout much worse off than 15 cc with 10 scout? | ||
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Savant
United States379 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
10th scout is pretty standard and doesn't cost that much in terms of eco (11 rax will still be up). If i do 10 scout, most of the games I'll be able to 15 CC. If I do 12 as you say, most of the games I will not do 15 cc  The reason you want to scout early is because you dont want to make marines if you dont have to. As you can see, flash places second rax at 18 before even making a marine after he see's 12hatch.Oh and by 10 scout, i mean the 10th scv that pops out (at 11 food). On March 07 2016 09:58 Savant wrote: Stylish make a VOD on Flash's 4 rax into mech Haha, but he makes them himself=) I've actually gotten some skill back and motivation by watching Flash so maybe! | ||
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kpaxxpez
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On March 07 2016 05:27 ZiggyPG wrote: By the way, around 3:01:40 in the vod from today I believe he says he's 'going to stream tomorrow (monday) at 9 (korean time, obv)'; could somebody confirm that? My Korean is still quite rudimentary. Yes. Flash said the former KT progamers will have a party this Tuesday, including Yellow, Reach. So the stream will be moved to Monday. | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On March 07 2016 10:58 StylishVODs wrote: Usually, 12 scout is way too late in tvz. Most terrans doublescout at 10/12 because you need to know if you place second suply+bunker or CC first. 10th scout is pretty standard and doesn't cost that much in terms of eco (11 rax will still be up). If i do 10 scout, most of the games I'll be able to 15 CC. If I do 12 as you say, most of the games I will not do 15 cc The reason you want to scout early is because you dont want to make marines if you dont have to. As you can see, flash places second rax at 18 before even making a marine after he see's 12hatch.Oh and by 10 scout, i mean the 10th scv that pops out (at 11 food). Haha, but he makes them himself=) I've actually gotten some skill back and motivation by watching Flash so maybe! Well, misunderstanding in the count then. Standard is still double scout at 11/13 (12/14 food) though. btw. today when flash didn't scout zerg on first try, he did build a marine at 15 and did "only" 16 cc (when he didn't scout early lings on the path with his 2nd scouting scv) and on CB he knew that zerg was cross position so 15cc -> 16 marine would be fine. So I believe he likes it risky, but is pretty confident that 1 marine + scvs is sufficient with his control? | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
On March 07 2016 11:53 StylishVODs wrote: Probably, but even with SCV micro, he would lose economically. Maybe it's just a thing among the top players of fish not to try rushes or something;) manner-style. Makes me wonder if no one does it b/c they think he won't play with them anymore if they do | ||
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WinterViewbot420
345 Posts
On March 07 2016 12:14 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Makes me wonder if no one does it b/c they think he won't play with them anymore if they do As I got higher in Fish, the amount of people that would try infuriating bullshit like proxy gates and 2fac pushes got lower. The pool of potential opponents shrinks and people will start to remember you. If you go around doing nothing but proxies and shit people will just stop playing with you. | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
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