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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
February 18 2007 02:49 GMT
#41
On February:26 StreaK wrote:
I think sAviOr will choke in the finals vs NaDa. go go 3-0 NaDa!

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Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
February 18 2007 03:06 GMT
#42
On February 17 2007 20:45 tomatriedes wrote:
Unfortunately YellOw
baelrog
Profile Joined July 2004
Austria705 Posts
February 18 2007 03:56 GMT
#43
why is gorush never mentined when takled about july/savioor. in his prime he was also nearly unbeatable only that his prime was a bit shorter than julys.
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
February 18 2007 05:00 GMT
#44
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kiddo
Profile Joined February 2007
China5 Posts
February 18 2007 11:57 GMT
#45
Savior will beat nada,because he is savior
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-18 13:11:54
February 18 2007 13:07 GMT
#46
OSL wins are overrated. Look at gameplay and dominance. Savior is known for his management of zerg production system which is a codename for "not a low econ zerg." Look at his past games.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 18 2007 13:13 GMT
#47
On February 18 2007 12:56 baelrog wrote:
why is gorush never mentined when takled about july/savioor. in his prime he was also nearly unbeatable only that his prime was a bit shorter than julys.

to me gorush always comes off as savior's predecessor so he kind of gets overshadowed, especially since his dominating period lasted only a season or so, he had the similar great game managment, usually macro oriented style that was basically a less fine tuned savior.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
February 18 2007 13:48 GMT
#48
On February 18 2007 07:24 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2007 22:45 Hot_Bid wrote:
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it is true that an OSL win is valued more and considered more prestigious than an MSL win, but is it really harder? probably a bit, but not as much as people think. it's ridiculously hard to qualify for either, and even harder to win either.

if MSL was really that much easier than OSL, why has July never made an MSL finals? Same reason why it took Savior this long to make the OSL: it's fucking hard, either league.

if you look at the list of MSL finals, there aren't really any "fluke" finalists, no Sync, no GoodFriend, et cetera. many of the MSL finalists have multiple appearances or wins, and many consider the league to have better, more balanced maps. what it lacks is the "OSL Mystique," that magical feeling you have when you watch it. there's simply no way to duplicate that crazy atmosphere during OSL finals.

but does mean that we should value an OSL victory over an MSL one? should July's 2 be considered greater than Savior's 3 (possible 4)? is an OSL victory really quantified as "more" than a MSL victory simply because of the history, mystique, and public opinion?

in a way you could say that the OSL caters more to the "hot" player with more controversial maps, so you could say that its harder to be consistent in it... but i mean they are two leagues both with qualification systems and brackets and whatever, so how can one really be significantly "tougher"? i just think OSL has been around longer and has a deeper history, and thats what makes valued more, but i don't think it's significantly "tougher" or "harder" to win.

if that was true, wouldn't multiple osl winners like nada or july or whoever have many more MSL wins? it doesn't make any sense that two players who were so dominant in the OSL somehow can't even make many recent MSL finals. it's a testament to how tough the MSL is and how it should be viewed more equally as the OSL (note how i said more equally, not exactly equal).

and the argument about only being able to practice for one league doesn't hold, nal_ra, iloveoov, and now savior have been able make two finals in both leagues relatively at the same time, which shows just how dominant those players were during those time periods.


Actually that sounds completely right. But why did it take so long for Savior to emerge in the OSL then? Did he concentrate more on the MSL before or was there no particular reason?

why does july not do well in the MSL? why can't he qualify for most of them? how come anytime does so well in OSL but hasn't ever qualified for MSL?

it goes both ways, just bcuz it took longer for a couple players to make it into the OSL doesn't make it harder. MSLs old format, if anything, was much more difficult than the OSLs. OSLs format depends heavily on a bit of luck and draw for group stages, and it also depends a lot on how the other players in your group play out. in the old MSL double elimination, the best player at the time usually won.
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falis
Profile Joined February 2007
United States20 Posts
February 18 2007 13:48 GMT
#49
It's true that SaviOr's style is not very varied most of the time, but it is his style and he likes it. There is no reason for someone to criticize someone's style, just because its not creative or unique. We all develop a style we like and should we be yelled at for it?
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