On February 06 2007 22:04 fikifiki wrote: I would suggest reading Sun Tzu : The Art of War
That move was plain good. Not pimp And July bight it , his mistake You ppl need to start thinking more The point of the game is to win the opponent with warfare tactics and not how cool you can micro macro , get my point ?
umm...
i guess misleading your opponent as to what your strategy is not a warfare tactic... =[
That was a brilliant deception, have to admit. Getting the timing right for all his scvs to show up when the OV was on his cliff must've been really tough to pull off. IMO, this is a huge contender for pimpest plays 2007.
On February 06 2007 21:58 evanthebouncy~ wrote: No no I think it's July's ling controll that lost him. He could've flanked better... Hmm... when he made those lings I'm sure he could've stopped the attack. But Casy's micro is SO good... just superb. And the fact that he attacked at the choke w/ those 3 mineral blocks which means July cannot flank properly probably helped too. Pimp move still, I'm just saying it is not the ONLY thing that made Casy win. In addition to that pimp move there's also Casy's good control, July's poor flank, and the position of hard to flanking all weight equally to each other.
i disagree, i dont see a reason to take away the "pimpness" of this move and give some of it to july's micro because it is the lack of lings + late sunk that killed july. andddd casy had 2 bats following up so he woulda had 2-3 stimmed firebats running around his eco(that's only if all his marines died)
i believe july just did not have enough to defend even if he had done better flanking
I agree. It wouldn't have really mattered if some of those lings were outside flanking in, or if there were a few more really. July would have made sunks with that ling money if he knew the acad rush was coming. You can't defend that with a ling heavy/sunk light defense, all things equal.
On February 06 2007 22:04 fikifiki wrote: I would suggest reading Sun Tzu : The Art of War
That move was plain good. Not pimp And July bight it , his mistake You ppl need to start thinking more The point of the game is to win the opponent with warfare tactics and not how cool you can micro macro , get my point ?
You sir, are just silly. Please don't ruin my thread by instigating a hundred people to flame you for a page.
I read this thread before seeing the VOD and my jaw still dropped. The only move more risky than this, which puts you massively behind in econ since you need as many SCVs constantly mining as you can get, is Boxer's CC lift on Blade Storm. The strategy and risk involved in faking an expansion is enormous, because you're one-hundred percent relying on your opponent's reaction. July played right into his hands. Truly artful I'd say.
On February 06 2007 22:04 fikifiki wrote: I would suggest reading Sun Tzu : The Art of War
That move was plain good. Not pimp And July bight it , his mistake You ppl need to start thinking more The point of the game is to win the opponent with warfare tactics and not how cool you can micro macro , get my point ?
Im a very silent man usually dont write my thoughts here but you are the kind of person that i hate: YOU SUGGEST THE FORUM TO READ Sun Tzu : The Art of War?? WE NEED TO START THINKING MORE?? there are two options either you are a ten years old kid in wich case i apologize and take all my words back or you are an stupid that read TSAW and you think you are the next broodwar king You MAN need to start STFU
btw the move was awesome, maibe july didnt play 100% well and the move is very game dependant but i have seen almost all the last live games from ogn and msl and the closest to this kind of "creativity" are upmagics cheeses, this is AMAZING because its not plain cheese its an intentional misinformation from casy AND a practical use of it (ok an abuse of it).
On February 06 2007 21:58 evanthebouncy~ wrote: No no I think it's July's ling controll that lost him. He could've flanked better... Hmm... when he made those lings I'm sure he could've stopped the attack. But Casy's micro is SO good... just superb. And the fact that he attacked at the choke w/ those 3 mineral blocks which means July cannot flank properly probably helped too. Pimp move still, I'm just saying it is not the ONLY thing that made Casy win. In addition to that pimp move there's also Casy's good control, July's poor flank, and the position of hard to flanking all weight equally to each other.
I agree, when i saw that move i though, hmm, that was sneaky. but then i saw july with 2 groups of speedlings and though, ah-ha, hes knows whats going on. He is going to trick the trickster by pretending to be weak then having casys' marines for breakfast when he attacks. but then the minerals messed up the AI and casy microed his firebats and it was T_T gg
On February 06 2007 21:58 evanthebouncy~ wrote: No no I think it's July's ling controll that lost him. He could've flanked better... Hmm... when he made those lings I'm sure he could've stopped the attack. But Casy's micro is SO good... just superb. And the fact that he attacked at the choke w/ those 3 mineral blocks which means July cannot flank properly probably helped too. Pimp move still, I'm just saying it is not the ONLY thing that made Casy win. In addition to that pimp move there's also Casy's good control, July's poor flank, and the position of hard to flanking all weight equally to each other.
I agree, when i saw that move i though, hmm, that was sneaky. but then i saw july with 2 groups of speedlings and though, ah-ha, hes knows whats going on. He is going to trick the trickster by pretending to be weak then having casys' marines for breakfast when he attacks. but then the minerals messed up the AI and casy microed his firebats and it was T_T gg
Not really dude. Those were mostly, "holy crap im gonna die!" last minute lings. If July was planning on protecting himself, sunks would have been there.
On February 06 2007 22:04 fikifiki wrote: I would suggest reading Sun Tzu : The Art of War
That move was plain good. Not pimp And July bight it , his mistake You ppl need to start thinking more The point of the game is to win the opponent with warfare tactics and not how cool you can micro macro , get my point ?
Im a very silent man usually dont write my thoughts here but you are the kind of person that i hate: YOU SUGGEST THE FORUM TO READ Sun Tzu : The Art of War?? WE NEED TO START THINKING MORE?? there are two options either you are a ten years old kid in wich case i apologize and take all my words back or you are an stupid that read TSAW and you think you are the next broodwar king You MAN need to start STFU
btw the move was awesome, maibe july didnt play 100% well and the move is very game dependant but i have seen almost all the last live games from ogn and msl and the closest to this kind of "creativity" are upmagics cheeses, this is AMAZING because its not plain cheese its an intentional misinformation from casy AND a practical use of it (ok an abuse of it).
Yea i suggest it cause it is THE BEST BOOK you can read for warfare and enemy psychology etc... There is nothing wrong with that. I'm just telling my fcking opinion. And i say you start to think more because i have lived 27 years in this planet , full of stupid self destructing ppl , who seem to get very pissed off when you say the truth. Also when someone says you need to think more DOESNT imply that you are stupid. Thanks... Here is the book Sun Tzu - Art of war
On February 06 2007 22:04 fikifiki wrote: I would suggest reading Sun Tzu : The Art of War
That move was plain good. Not pimp And July bight it , his mistake You ppl need to start thinking more The point of the game is to win the opponent with warfare tactics and not how cool you can micro macro , get my point ?
You don't seem to know anything about actually playing BW, it's easy to throw that kind of thing but this is not warfare theory, it's a video game with a lot of limitations. You don't create and efficient strategy at high level nor you fool a top player like July that easily.
Who are you to tell us we need to start thinking more ? The next Boxer ? Go play the game at even decent lvl and plz come back to share your ultimate builds -___-;
On February 06 2007 22:04 fikifiki wrote: I would suggest reading Sun Tzu : The Art of War
That move was plain good. Not pimp And July bight it , his mistake You ppl need to start thinking more The point of the game is to win the opponent with warfare tactics and not how cool you can micro macro , get my point ?
Im a very silent man usually dont write my thoughts here but you are the kind of person that i hate: YOU SUGGEST THE FORUM TO READ Sun Tzu : The Art of War?? WE NEED TO START THINKING MORE?? there are two options either you are a ten years old kid in wich case i apologize and take all my words back or you are an stupid that read TSAW and you think you are the next broodwar king You MAN need to start STFU
btw the move was awesome, maibe july didnt play 100% well and the move is very game dependant but i have seen almost all the last live games from ogn and msl and the closest to this kind of "creativity" are upmagics cheeses, this is AMAZING because its not plain cheese its an intentional misinformation from casy AND a practical use of it (ok an abuse of it).
Yea i suggest it cause it is THE BEST BOOK you can read for warfare and enemy psychology etc... There is nothing wrong with that. I'm just telling my fcking opinion. And i say you start to think more because i have lived 27 years in this planet , full of stupid self destructing ppl , who seem to get very pissed off when you say the truth. Also when someone says you need to think more DOESNT imply that you are stupid. Thanks... Here is the book Sun Tzu - Art of war
Yeah ok -__- but BW wise your point is still just totally irrevelant
edit : to put it simple you are thinking as such : He tricked him into believing he wasn't going offensive. Which is nothing really special in itself but we are not talking about that. It's rather :
He tricked a former OSL champion top 5 korean zerg into thinking he was fast expanding without even starting to build a CC in an official starleague bw game. ..... Which is TOTALLY GOSU
The pimpness of this move is not questionnable period
Sun Tzu also says "know your enemy". Also, "When big, seem small, when small, seem big." When you seem uprepared, be prepared, etc. Go for the quick victory. (roughly translated)
Casy knew July would react like that.
Casy won. He won FAST. He looked small (unit-wise). He was big.
The limitations are within the game and not in human beings. Even in brood war (during game) you can get scared , overconfident , happy , "i'm doomed" mode , etc... Ok so i'm not winning games because i use tactics like that , its because my opponent suck , or i'm just a freaking lucky bastard. Ooh and i dont have to prove anything to anyone , especially in a forum
Guys shut up with the silly high jack. Who gives a shit, if you want to, read the book, otherwise, ... wut? You expect something?
On February 06 2007 21:04 EvilTeletubby wrote: This was one of those things that within 2 seconds of seeing it, you say in your head "That's gonna be a Pimpest Play this year!" - And in a game where you don't see that very much anymore, that says a lot.
My jaw dropped, and I just kept thinking to myself, neo-emperor, neo-emperor!
Do we have a believer? ^_^ Do we? DO WE?!?!! Join the cult!
And I think it's so pimp is because it can only be done at the highest level. Casy's SCVs didn't make the return trip because he saw the OL's reaction which meant July bought the bait. Come on~ That's sick.
SICK SICK revenge for that early rookie 4 pool torment. This game must have been so sweet. Ahhhh sweet.
On February 06 2007 23:43 fikifiki wrote: The limitations are within the game and not in human beings. Even in brood war (during game) you can get scared , overconfident , happy , "i'm doomed" mode , etc... Ok so i'm not winning games because i use tactics like that , its because my opponent suck , or i'm just a freaking lucky bastard. Ooh and i dont have to prove anything to anyone , especially in a forum
i don't get it...if you say limitations are within the game and not in human beings, then how do human emotions (such as fear, overconfidence, happiness, the like) not factor in, as you said before? you just flipped your own premise.
not to say that the art of war is not a good book - it is a very good book. currently some business leaders are recommending its employees to read the book and learn. starcraft does have nice strategy, that's one of the many reasons it has existed for so long.
On February 06 2007 23:43 fikifiki wrote: The limitations are within the game and not in human beings. Even in brood war (during game) you can get scared , overconfident , happy , "i'm doomed" mode , etc... Ok so i'm not winning games because i use tactics like that , its because my opponent suck , or i'm just a freaking lucky bastard. Ooh and i dont have to prove anything to anyone , especially in a forum
i don't get it...if you say limitations are within the game and not in human beings, then how do human emotions (such as fear, overconfidence, happiness, the like) not factor in, as you said before? you just flipped your own premise.
not to say that the art of war is not a good book - it is a very good book. currently some business leaders are recommending its employees to read the book and learn. starcraft does have nice strategy, that's one of the many reasons it has existed for so long.
I dont get you either i'm saying that they factor in and i'm using this in my games. My favourite one is pretending i'm noob
PS. Yesterday in some game my opponent typed : fu gg ... ????? has quit the game
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