On February 06 2007 20:06 oddeye wrote: I did not find it that impressive honestly. Since the scv aren't always mining... but yeah it won him the game I think.
If you didn't find it impressive, then I don't think you understood the significance. The very instant July sees the SCVs, he probably used his larva/money for drones, and would've completely switched his mindset, by the time he realized what happened, it was way too late. It was a straight up spectacular move that just screams of Boxer, giving you that nostalgic feel you had years ago when you saw the original emperor wowing us in the first place.
On February 06 2007 20:06 oddeye wrote: I did not find it that impressive honestly. Since the scv aren't always mining... but yeah it won him the game I think.
If you didn't find it impressive, then I don't think you understood the significance. The very instant July sees the SCVs, he probably used his larva/money for drones, and would've completely switched his mindset, by the time he realized what happened, it was way too late. It was a straight up spectacular move that just screams of Boxer, giving you that nostalgic feel you had years ago when you saw the original emperor wowing us in the first place.
I'll apologize on his behalf for not thinking identically to you and saying that in his opinion he didn't find it so impressive. So what if he made all his larva drones? If he saw that the scvs never came back he would make sunkens. It's not as if he couldn't cut everything to make sunkens to survive. It was a clever move and well executed but it succeeded more because July did not take the time to think things through more thoroughly
the difference between this and old boxer games is casy has no doubt practiced this so many times over it would be hard for him to fuck it up, I can appreciate the effort but it's something different than boxers spontaneity or ability to respond like that unplanned in high risk situations with very little time. I think it's cute but just too calculated and low risk to call it a pimpest play, though maybe in 2007 we will just have to accept it as that.
edit: and really we don't even know if the genius was casy himself with all the coaching and teamwork that's going on these days
On February 06 2007 20:06 oddeye wrote: I did not find it that impressive honestly. Since the scv aren't always mining... but yeah it won him the game I think.
If you didn't find it impressive, then I don't think you understood the significance. The very instant July sees the SCVs, he probably used his larva/money for drones, and would've completely switched his mindset, by the time he realized what happened, it was way too late. It was a straight up spectacular move that just screams of Boxer, giving you that nostalgic feel you had years ago when you saw the original emperor wowing us in the first place.
I'll apologize on his behalf for not thinking identically to you and saying that in his opinion he didn't find it so impressive. So what if he made all his larva drones? If he saw that the scvs never came back he would make sunkens. It's not as if he couldn't cut everything to make sunkens to survive. It was a clever move and well executed but it succeeded more because July did not take the time to think things through more thoroughly
july didnt have the proper time to prepare more sunks by the time he realized what was going on, thats the beauty of this move. its not like july sat there for a while playing vs 2 rax CC, he reacted to 2 rax CC IMMEDIATELY and thats ALL that casy needed to win the game.
On February 06 2007 21:28 nortydog wrote: the difference between this and old boxer games is casy has no doubt practiced this so many times over it would be hard for him to fuck it up, I can appreciate the effort but it's something different than boxers spontaneity or ability to respond like that unplanned in high risk situations with very little time. I think it's cute but just too calculated and low risk to call it a pimpest play, though maybe in 2007 we will just have to accept it as that.
Eh? I don't buy that necessarily, because it relied on a certain set of conditions; namely,
1) July having an overlord right outside the nat expo,
2) The Overlord being far enough away so that he could see only the mineral patches, not the CC itself,
3) July having no other means of gathering information on Casy's build
That's not to he's never seen himself in this situation before, but it's probably not something he counted on using before the game began. So *shrugs*, I'll take it for what it's worth.
On February 06 2007 20:06 oddeye wrote: I did not find it that impressive honestly. Since the scv aren't always mining... but yeah it won him the game I think.
If you didn't find it impressive, then I don't think you understood the significance. The very instant July sees the SCVs, he probably used his larva/money for drones, and would've completely switched his mindset, by the time he realized what happened, it was way too late. It was a straight up spectacular move that just screams of Boxer, giving you that nostalgic feel you had years ago when you saw the original emperor wowing us in the first place.
I'll apologize on his behalf for not thinking identically to you and saying that in his opinion he didn't find it so impressive. So what if he made all his larva drones? If he saw that the scvs never came back he would make sunkens. It's not as if he couldn't cut everything to make sunkens to survive. It was a clever move and well executed but it succeeded more because July did not take the time to think things through more thoroughly
yeah because its just so easy to think "gee maybe its a FAKE FE WITH MINING SCVS let me check to see if they return before i make a round of drones"
if u ever played zerg you would understand the play...we don't think oh look hes faking an expo... especially in high level matches everything is crucial =[ i mean when in the hell are u gunna think thats not an expo... u think we watch the SCVs, we see them mining we 100% assume its expo bc its never been proven otherwise
You make some good points there nortydog. I still think the move was pimp, though it true that it was very practiced and calculated. However, he did need to respond to his opponent. If July drone scouted, or snuck a ling, or somehow saw the academy build or even gone 9 pool this wouldn't have worked. So the beauty is in the execution. He played his opponent like a chump, since the conditions were right.
Also, I agree that we can't credit Casy with inventing the strat since we don't know what goes on in that Sparky's house. For all we know it was Draco's idea. However, much like Ra's hallucinated double recall on GF back in one of the old pimpest plays, the fact that he did it on TV is in itself awesome.
On February 06 2007 21:23 ArC_man wrote: July didn't have time to think things through more clearly because Casy was up his ass like 10 seconds after that happened.
What Arc_man wrote here is basically the one liner that explains why this was so awesome. One extra round of drones was all the window that Casy needed. Yes, it does make that much of a difference.
On February 06 2007 21:04 EvilTeletubby wrote: This was one of those things that within 2 seconds of seeing it, you say in your head "That's gonna be a Pimpest Play this year!" - And in a game where you don't see that very much anymore, that says a lot
for the people with doubts to the awesomness of this play, if you watched the VOD, you could see that july really had no reason to believe he was being 2 rax acad rushed till he got scanned.
- he saw scv's mine expo then moved the ove away so he didn't get to notice they never came back - his lings only saw a pack of rines because casy had his firebat and medic at the back of his mnm pack(this is why i think he only made one sunk at first)
basically, casy controlled what july saw and reacted to it to win the game. video edit*
No no I think it's July's ling controll that lost him. He could've flanked better... Hmm... when he made those lings I'm sure he could've stopped the attack. But Casy's micro is SO good... just superb. And the fact that he attacked at the choke w/ those 3 mineral blocks which means July cannot flank properly probably helped too. Pimp move still, I'm just saying it is not the ONLY thing that made Casy win. In addition to that pimp move there's also Casy's good control, July's poor flank, and the position of hard to flanking all weight equally to each other.
That move was plain good. Not pimp And July bight it , his mistake You ppl need to start thinking more The point of the game is to win the opponent with warfare tactics and not how cool you can micro macro , get my point ?
EPT
However, much like Ra's hallucinated double recall on GF back in one of the old pimpest plays, the fact that he did it on TV is in itself awesome.
