EPTCal's All Star Montage - Page 2
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
On January 16 2007 20:28 VV wrote: One thing that people misjudge is by just looking at bwchart. In fastest, there is less micro required, at the same time more macro required. In general there is less apm required for fastest than non money. Also, in fastest since there is more macro, a player cannot micro their units as much as in low money. So in general watching a replay of a money player, you might look at it and say "wow this kid sucks, he has no micro", but in fact he is massing at that time and making more units instead of microing to save units since you have unlimited minerals. Most of these fastest players don't spam at all to get crazy apm's like non-money players do. Where they tell one unit to move and click 5 times for that, or hold hotkeys. Its not easy for a non money player to beat a money player. Just by looking at bwchart, it doesn't show how good a player really is. translation: in FMP you just need macro and low money map players have high apm cuz its all useless shit that we FMP people dont do cuz it takes precious attention away from our macro. we dont have high apm cuz low apm is cool and we're even cooler cuz we only macro cuz its harder than micro and macro at the same time | ||
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VV
Canada3 Posts
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stalife
Canada1222 Posts
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On January 17 2007 07:51 VV wrote: stalife had close to 400 apm, but that wasn't the only point that I wanted to come across. Most people, the first thing that they do is open the replay with bwchart and judge, don't tell me they don't. I haven't heard of anyone who does that, I'm serious about this. Most people just open the replay and watch the games for themselves. BWChart can barely tell you anything, and the apm can be gotten from PP anyway. Nice video btw, enjoyed it quite alot. | ||
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eNtitY~
United States1293 Posts
On January 16 2007 20:55 siro) wrote: #1 - Where did he say anything about BWChart, maybe he watched the game and saw a low skill level. #2 - The whole idea of being faster (APM) is that you are quick enough to micro WHILE macro'ing. We do both, Micro and Macro are a huge part of the game. If any of you can play in SCD and remain in the top 10 bracket Ill paypal you 50$. Thats how confident I am that you guys highly underrate us and couldn't touch the good players on this map without practice. On January 16 2007 19:49 davidgurt wrote: If those are the top SCD players, I really should start playing fastest again. -__- Yeah and I really doubt you could take any of them. Especially if your judging it just from the montage. | ||
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
On January 17 2007 14:47 eNtitY~ wrote: We do both, Micro and Macro are a huge part of the game. If any of you can play in SCD and remain in the top 10 bracket Ill paypal you 50$. Thats how confident I am that you guys highly underrate us and couldn't touch the good players on this map without practice. Yeah and I really doubt you could take any of them. Especially if your judging it just from the montage. i second that. FMP, though i don't play it, is not just "a low map with infinte money so you don't need to expand". there is a LOT more to it and a lot cheese strats that you would NEVER expect on low maps work incredibly well on fastest. and thats not nearly all thats to that map. you guys highly underestimate those fastest players! | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On January 17 2007 14:47 eNtitY~ wrote:We do both, Micro and Macro are a huge part of the game. If any of you can play in SCD and remain in the top 10 bracket Ill paypal you 50$. Thats how confident I am that you guys highly underrate us and couldn't touch the good players on this map without practice. I think some people here might actually be seriously considering that bet of 50 dollars hehe. Its obvious we would need practise as we don't know the builds/strats etc, but I'm sure many of the players here would be able to beat the top players after practise. Also when you said "Micro and Macro are a huge part of the game" it is a contradiction to what VV said: in fastest since there is more macro, a player cannot micro their units as much as in low money. The point is that on fastest you can achieve the same amount of macro and micro that is in low money, as long as you have the apm to do it. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
_____________________________________________________________________________________ Anyway here goes my feedback & personal experience, which is small, with FMP. FMP unlike BGH is quite different. If your not used to it it can seriously screw your timing and builds can be achieved much faster. The management of the "flow", i.e. you macro flow can be severely offset if your not used to it. FMP is actually pretty different than BGH and melee for these reasons. I avoid FMP like the plague because of that, in fact the times I have played fastest, after coercion from friends, I have found after how impatient I get when I play "low money" melee games immediately after; that initially seem tedious compared to FMP. For the same reason if your a rush or cheese freak you can have a wonderful time at FMP. FMP, though people also abuse tend to play the same maps, has at least more variation in map (i.e. where a different map will make a difference in game play) as opposed to BGH where they play the same map, over and over. Having said all this I still think the golden path is regular, "low money", melee map playing; which how most of us start, and how ALL of us end up with. I been stubborn and avoided BGH, FMP and for that matter, USM, on principle only but I have paid a price for it, hours of wasted hours finding games. Sometimes I wonder if I did not miss out on everything StarCraft had to offer. | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On January 17 2007 05:20 exalted wrote: Wow these players are absolutely atrocious, and although I can't say that the players in the TL vs BGH lineup are our top tier members, I hope that for our own pride that we can win at that. I would participate but I simply don't have the time, otherwise I honestly would want to just completely dominate a fastest / BGH season just to settle the issue once and for all.. exalted, you severely underestimate BGH players. there are a lot of bgh players that are better than you (especially on bgh, and x2 for team games) | ||
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
On January 17 2007 14:47 eNtitY~ wrote: We do both, Micro and Macro are a huge part of the game. If any of you can play in SCD and remain in the top 10 bracket Ill paypal you 50$. Thats how confident I am that you guys highly underrate us and couldn't touch the good players on this map without practice. Yeah and I really doubt you could take any of them. Especially if your judging it just from the montage. I can, and I have, pal.  I used to play in vgtour before it got switched over to SCD. I've had enough experience with fastest communities and tournaments before to know how good some of these players are, especially since I've played with a handful of them. | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19141 Posts
 .And indd we already are one big community, we're just a bit fractured at times :p. All this merging and co-op tournaments and news sharing is just awsome. Seriously hope it's a trend that will continue in the future, along with the bonding with the korean site, which mani had such a great interview with its owner. | ||
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XIII
483 Posts
On January 16 2007 12:39 azndsh wrote: Stacked probes ftw how did he do that? he attacked and probes were even stacked | ||
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
On January 18 2007 04:26 XIII wrote: how did he do that? he attacked and probes were even stacked the only possibility i can imagine was that he re-stacked them during cooldown, via rightclicking them onto a geyser or sth in the direction they were pointing, then letting them attack again. or it was just a coincidence and they remained stacked for some other wacky reason. | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
On January 17 2007 07:51 VV wrote: stalife had close to 400 apm, but that wasn't the only point that I wanted to come across. Most people, the first thing that they do is open the replay with bwchart and judge, don't tell me they don't. i dont even have bwchart | ||
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VV
Canada3 Posts
On January 18 2007 04:30 Cpt Obvious wrote: the only possibility i can imagine was that he re-stacked them during cooldown, via rightclicking them onto a geyser or sth in the direction they were pointing, then letting them attack again. or it was just a coincidence and they remained stacked for some other wacky reason. no... you can keep on stack attacking more than one target... all you have to do is hold shift and keep on targeting more units. | ||
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BalloonFight
United States2007 Posts
On January 17 2007 05:20 exalted wrote: Wow these players are absolutely atrocious, and although I can't say that the players in the TL vs BGH lineup are our top tier members, I hope that for our own pride that we can win at that. I would participate but I simply don't have the time, otherwise I honestly would want to just completely dominate a fastest / BGH season just to settle the issue once and for all.. As Coral said, you are REALLY underestimating BGH players. I can't speak for the fastest community anymore, since I haven't played fastest competitively in a couple of years, but BGHer players at top level are definitely good. I also guarantee that all of these players, in the montage, would beat you in a bo3 on fastest. | ||
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