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[SSL] Round of 32 Preview - Welcome to 2014 - Page 3

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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11378 Posts
January 09 2014 01:35 GMT
#41
woo, woo! Great preview!
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Wedge
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
January 09 2014 02:05 GMT
#42
Yessss

Great read again as always. So pumped.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50596 Posts
January 09 2014 02:14 GMT
#43
I am pumped!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
January 09 2014 02:39 GMT
#44
Excellent article! I'm certain SSL9 will be amazing tournament worth all the hype.
Now let me quickly be a jerk [image loading]

Had JangBi returned a year ago speculation about how well he would do may not have been as high, even upon his arrival people in the forums were already heralding him as the next SSL champion but in the last few months the competitive terrain has rapidly changed.

This sentence is so confusing T_T
If I'm to make quick adjustment...

Had JangBi returned a year ago, speculation about how well he would do may not have been as high - people in the forums were already heralding him as the next SSL champion even upon his arrival. However, in the last few months the competitive terrain has rapidly changed.

Most known by the name Curse of the OSL Champion.
ZerO lost to Killer pretty badly in Proleague, he did however manage to win against self-proclaimed ZvZ master Modesty.
I will have faith, I believe in the Spirit!

meeeeeeehhhhh
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
January 09 2014 02:50 GMT
#45
you gotta be shitting me. terror is a mother fucking genius and this tourney will rock. it is a great sign of more bw pros returning!
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
January 09 2014 02:51 GMT
#46
sexy article thanks =)
ace hwaiting!!
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
January 09 2014 03:27 GMT
#47
is chatting during the game still banned?

awesome article.
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
January 09 2014 04:20 GMT
#48
Sick preview!
Blizzard said they'll help to promote the event, I'm curious to see what they're gonna do.
ॐ
miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
January 09 2014 04:46 GMT
#49
Yes, for some reason I found it very interesting watching the Juice micro during the Group Ceremony. There were at least 6 different movements applied to the various juices (not drinking, just moving), by Sonic and LSW primarily, throughout the night. I never actually saw them drink any juice..

On a different topic, I don't recall Zero being considered at all - nevermind "widely considered" the best Zerg after Jaedong, in the most recent Proleague years. If anything Jaedong was slumping pretty hard, and it was actually Soulkey who was essentially destroying everybody (even Terrans) except Flash, and was considered pretty clearly the best Zerg in the world. Zero never reached the same level that Soulkey did.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
January 09 2014 05:15 GMT
#50
wow... i took the NSFL warning lightly... I cant fucking unsee that S&M entrance. x(

I wish day9 still casting BW . Could use some english casting.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
January 09 2014 05:21 GMT
#51
On January 09 2014 14:15 NB wrote:
wow... i took the NSFL warning lightly... I cant fucking unsee that S&M entrance. x(

I wish day9 still casting BW . Could use some english casting.

What?

Sayle is casting in English.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 05:27:31
January 09 2014 05:27 GMT
#52
On January 09 2014 11:39 Hesmyrr wrote:
Excellent article! I'm certain SSL9 will be amazing tournament worth all the hype.
Now let me quickly be a jerk [image loading]

Show nested quote +
Had JangBi returned a year ago speculation about how well he would do may not have been as high, even upon his arrival people in the forums were already heralding him as the next SSL champion but in the last few months the competitive terrain has rapidly changed.

This sentence is so confusing T_T
If I'm to make quick adjustment...

Had JangBi returned a year ago, speculation about how well he would do may not have been as high - people in the forums were already heralding him as the next SSL champion even upon his arrival. However, in the last few months the competitive terrain has rapidly changed.

Show nested quote +
Most known by the name Curse of the OSL Champion.
ZerO lost to Killer pretty badly in Proleague, he did however manage to win against self-proclaimed ZvZ master Modesty.
I will have faith, I believe in the Spirit!

meeeeeeehhhhh

Yeah... While the write-up was generally pretty good, smb should have spell checked it.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
January 09 2014 05:34 GMT
#53
On January 09 2014 13:46 miercat wrote:
Yes, for some reason I found it very interesting watching the Juice micro during the Group Ceremony. There were at least 6 different movements applied to the various juices (not drinking, just moving), by Sonic and LSW primarily, throughout the night. I never actually saw them drink any juice..

On a different topic, I don't recall Zero being considered at all - nevermind "widely considered" the best Zerg after Jaedong, in the most recent Proleague years. If anything Jaedong was slumping pretty hard, and it was actually Soulkey who was essentially destroying everybody (even Terrans) except Flash, and was considered pretty clearly the best Zerg in the world. Zero never reached the same level that Soulkey did.

Do you not think that ZerO's second place finish in ABC Mart, and consistent semifinals appearances in tving and PDPop trumps Souley's round of 16 appearances? Perhaps Soulkey was considered better in ZvT, but I do think that ZerO should be called the better overall player.
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
mtvacuum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States979 Posts
January 09 2014 05:40 GMT
#54
preview has me hyped, thanks so much!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
January 09 2014 06:00 GMT
#55
This articles was written sooo well. Great job guys!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
January 09 2014 06:16 GMT
#56
On January 09 2014 14:34 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 13:46 miercat wrote:
Yes, for some reason I found it very interesting watching the Juice micro during the Group Ceremony. There were at least 6 different movements applied to the various juices (not drinking, just moving), by Sonic and LSW primarily, throughout the night. I never actually saw them drink any juice..

On a different topic, I don't recall Zero being considered at all - nevermind "widely considered" the best Zerg after Jaedong, in the most recent Proleague years. If anything Jaedong was slumping pretty hard, and it was actually Soulkey who was essentially destroying everybody (even Terrans) except Flash, and was considered pretty clearly the best Zerg in the world. Zero never reached the same level that Soulkey did.

Do you not think that ZerO's second place finish in ABC Mart, and consistent semifinals appearances in tving and PDPop trumps Souley's round of 16 appearances? Perhaps Soulkey was considered better in ZvT, but I do think that ZerO should be called the better overall player.

To borrow Kim Carrier's words, "Someone who did not win a championship but worthy of one". ZerO was kind of awesome. He was responsible for some goose bump moments. Soulkey was a good player (a good comparison might be Sea?) but not a championship class player in Brood War.
miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 06:36:17
January 09 2014 06:29 GMT
#57
On January 09 2014 14:34 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 13:46 miercat wrote:
Yes, for some reason I found it very interesting watching the Juice micro during the Group Ceremony. There were at least 6 different movements applied to the various juices (not drinking, just moving), by Sonic and LSW primarily, throughout the night. I never actually saw them drink any juice..

On a different topic, I don't recall Zero being considered at all - nevermind "widely considered" the best Zerg after Jaedong, in the most recent Proleague years. If anything Jaedong was slumping pretty hard, and it was actually Soulkey who was essentially destroying everybody (even Terrans) except Flash, and was considered pretty clearly the best Zerg in the world. Zero never reached the same level that Soulkey did.

Do you not think that ZerO's second place finish in ABC Mart, and consistent semifinals appearances in tving and PDPop trumps Souley's round of 16 appearances? Perhaps Soulkey was considered better in ZvT, but I do think that ZerO should be called the better overall player.


Individual League performance may be in Zero's favor. But unless I am mistaken, I remember a period in time when Soulkey was considered a favorite against every player in the world except Flash. On the other hand, Zero would have, at all points in time, been considered an underdog to quite a number of players (including many Terran players). Based on overall statistics, and the players Soulkey was defeating, and the style in which he was doing so, it seems like he reached the higher "peak" of performance. And probably at one point he was playing the second highest level of ZvT ever (after Jaedong).

Soulkey has a much better overall winrate, a much better ZvP winrate, and a much better ZvZ, winrate, and a better, although misleadingly low overall ZvT winrate (given that he improved his ZvT winrate SO dramatically in the last couple years).Soulkey had significantly less experience than Zero, and yet already significantly better statistics in all matchups. Nevermind just ZvT, I think there is compelling evidence that Soulkey was significantly better in every single matchup - by statistics, but also by directly observing quality of games. At one point, Soulkey was on the verge of being S-Class (or potentially even S-Class), Zero was having some decent success in individual leagues, but his overall play ranged from mediocre - to very good, but never really near S-Class. I would be interested however, in knowing what the Professional Korean commentators had to say about the topic.

Soulkey:
All: 94-66 (58.75%)
vT: 36-31 (53.73%)
vZ: 30-20 (60.00%)
vP: 28-15 (65.12%)

Zero:
All: 224-184 (54.90%)
vT: 57-51 (52.78%)
vZ: 99-87 (53.23%)
vP: 68-46 (59.65%)
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
January 09 2014 06:35 GMT
#58
To me it feels like the reverse lol I never had the feeling that Soulkey was considered a favourite against every player in the world except Flash or on the verge of being S-Class.
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 06:51:25
January 09 2014 06:48 GMT
#59
How odd... Based on the overall statistics and performance against high calibre players, it didn't seem like much of a stretch at all, to say that Soulkey was a much better player in every single matchup. But like I said, I would be very interested to know what the Korean's said on the issue, I'm sure it was discussed at one point or another, and they would likely know better than anyone.
Brad`
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 07:10:30
January 09 2014 07:09 GMT
#60
I thought Soulkey was the better player but he always managed to shit the bed in the individual leagues.
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