• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:52
CEST 00:52
KST 07:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 236ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL CK #5 Race War
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch 60% Keyboards Viable for Starcraft? Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BW General Discussion
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4611 users

Build Order Calculator for Brood War?

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 27 2013 11:48 GMT
#1
Looking for a Build Order Calculator for BW. You know, something that will tell you how long it takes to execute such-and-such a build.

B4 anyone asks, yep, I did use the Search function here on TL, and I've searched Google extensively as well. Came up goose eggs all around. Found BOCs for Starcraft 2 very easily, but none for BW. Augh.

I know such a thing exists for BW because I used to use one back when I played BW in '99 or '00. But I don't have the comp it was on anymore, nor do I recall where I saw said BOC.

A little help here? Much appreciated. Btw, great site.





User was warned for being hilarious
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
December 27 2013 11:57 GMT
#2
I plan on programming one after I finish StarServer, but at the moment I don't think there is one.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
December 27 2013 13:12 GMT
#3
That doesn't seem to difficult to make. Birdie being awesome as always will allow me to be a lazy programmer outside the work place.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
December 27 2013 15:09 GMT
#4
I think most people either
Just run their build in game with a timer
Or
Paper and pencil and Liquipedia
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 27 2013 15:20 GMT
#5
On December 27 2013 20:57 Birdie wrote:
I plan on programming one after I finish StarServer, but at the moment I don't think there is one.

That's so odd, because there WAS one, 'back in the day'. A good one too, as I remember it.

If you do decide to make one, pls keep us apprised on your intentions/progress. And a hearty 'thank you' for even considering such a task, from myself and many others, I'm sure.


User was warned for being hilarious
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
December 27 2013 16:50 GMT
#6
There is something like that by the name of Evolution Forge, but it doesn't really generate practical builds, just builds that get x in the least amount of time.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-27 21:49:27
December 27 2013 21:48 GMT
#7
On December 27 2013 22:12 BisuDagger wrote:
That doesn't seem to difficult to make.

It's pretty difficult to make unless you know how to do evolutionary computation. Happily the paper I'm doing at uni right now covers it next month so I should be capable of getting it done

What I plan on doing is making it allow you to set goals for different times, e.g. I want 6 zlings at 3 minutes, 2 sunkens at 5 minutes, 11 mutalisk as soon as possible afterwards. Then it will calculate the best way to achieve those as efficiently as possible.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 28 2013 08:42 GMT
#8
One other Q for Birdie:

Will it be cross-platform? I have both a PC and a Mac. I know a lot of ppl who are Mac-only (I'm here in the Silicon Valley).


User was warned for being hilarious
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia458 Posts
December 28 2013 09:58 GMT
#9
On December 28 2013 17:42 [[Starlight]] wrote:
One other Q for Birdie:

Will it be cross-platform? I have both a PC and a Mac. I know a lot of ppl who are Mac-only (I'm here in the Silicon Valley).



Also people use GNU/Linux.
If he uses QT or wxWidgets it will have good chance to be cross-platform.
https://bwapi.github.io - An API for interacting with Starcraft: Broodwar (1.16.1)
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
December 28 2013 10:43 GMT
#10
I'll be developing it on Linux with the idea to be released on at least Windoze and Linux. If I can, I'll try get it to work on Mac too, although I don't have one to test it on.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 28 2013 13:05 GMT
#11
On December 28 2013 19:43 Birdie wrote:
I'll be developing it on Linux with the idea to be released on at least Windoze and Linux.

If I can, I'll try get it to work on Mac too, although I don't have one to test it on.

Sounds cool Birdie, do your best. OS X users are ppl too.


User was warned for being hilarious
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
December 29 2013 15:10 GMT
#12
On December 28 2013 06:48 Birdie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2013 22:12 BisuDagger wrote:
That doesn't seem to difficult to make.

It's pretty difficult to make unless you know how to do evolutionary computation. Happily the paper I'm doing at uni right now covers it next month so I should be capable of getting it done

What I plan on doing is making it allow you to set goals for different times, e.g. I want 6 zlings at 3 minutes, 2 sunkens at 5 minutes, 11 mutalisk as soon as possible afterwards. Then it will calculate the best way to achieve those as efficiently as possible.

I'm gosu with data structures and genetic AI. Now I feel challenged to make this lol.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
December 29 2013 19:20 GMT
#13
awesome stuff!
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 29 2013 21:44 GMT
#14
There are 4 variables at play:

1. Worker Production
2. Rate of Mineral/Gas gathering
3. Constant production of Depot/Pylon/Overlord to not get supply blocked.
4. Build/upgrade/unit making timing

Essentially this calculator will have to simulate a single person playing BW to minimize the time it takes to construct the necessary unit composition and amount.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
December 29 2013 22:41 GMT
#15
On December 30 2013 06:44 Xiphos wrote:
There are 4 variables at play:

1. Worker Production
2. Rate of Mineral/Gas gathering
3. Constant production of Depot/Pylon/Overlord to not get supply blocked.
4. Build/upgrade/unit making timing

Essentially this calculator will have to simulate a single person playing BW to minimize the time it takes to construct the necessary unit composition and amount.

There would be a lot more variables in play if I ever program this
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 31 2014 10:38 GMT
#16
So Birdie, it's been a year... I assume maybe you thought better of doing this?

If so, no worries, it doesn't sound easy.



User was warned for being hilarious
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2610 Posts
December 31 2014 10:46 GMT
#17
He stopped being involved in the BW community afaik and he choose not to finish his server, so I think the chance of him programming this is below 1 %.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 31 2014 10:48 GMT
#18
Bummer.
User was warned for being hilarious
ArmadA[NaS]
Profile Joined January 2014
United States347 Posts
December 31 2014 18:01 GMT
#19
Here's the old program you're thinking about (latest version is for 1.161).
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
December 31 2014 19:02 GMT
#20
Happy birthdays

I don't think birdie stopped being involved. He has made lots of posts in the BW section. Just gave up on birdie server lol

Thanks for finding the old program o.o I remember seeing this thread and remembering that it already exists, but I didn't have it anymore.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
22:00
Vespene Cup #1
SteadfastSC83
davetesta16
Liquipedia
The PiG Daily
21:35
Best Games of HSC
Lambo vs SKillous
uThermal vs Gerald
SKillous vs Serral
ShoWTimE vs Arrogfire
Clem vs Elazer
Reynor vs Jumy
PiGStarcraft351
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft351
NeuroSwarm 154
SteadfastSC 83
UpATreeSC 78
ZombieGrub70
JuggernautJason57
ViBE6
StarCraft: Brood War
Dewaltoss 121
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King116
Other Games
summit1g6543
tarik_tv4411
Grubby3241
C9.Mang0228
ToD221
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick40207
BasetradeTV200
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 102
• Hupsaiya 81
• RyuSc2 5
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2399
Other Games
• imaqtpie1298
• Shiphtur258
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 8m
RSL Revival
10h 8m
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
11h 8m
Afreeca Starleague
11h 8m
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
SC Evo League
13h 8m
ByuN vs Classic
Cure vs Solar
IPSL
17h 8m
Dragon vs Ret
Patches Events
17h 8m
RSL Revival
1d 10h
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 11h
IPSL
1d 17h
Bonyth vs Hawk
[ Show More ]
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.