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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On December 15 2013 03:43 palexhur wrote: I dont know what is the fuss about Blizzard contribution, putting the tourney in its website is not like giving raw money, the real appreciation should go to Sonic and Monkey3. Gj Sonic and incredible sponsorship by Monkey3 The extra exposure Blizzard's support could potentially generate is HUGE. It's all about how much they will want to commit... Maybe if we choose to perceive it positively, they'll go for it  Personally I could go on for days speculating on why it's a good business move for them, but this time I'll just choose to accept it as good news for Brood War, however small/big it turns out to be.But yeah obviously Sonic's efforts and the sponsor stepping up is the main point in this. It's incredible this guy still keeps pushing the quality higher. He's taking our wildest dreams and making them happen. Last 2 years were full of hope but also insecurity. 2014 is shaping up to be a year of pure joy and excitement. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
On December 15 2013 03:43 palexhur wrote: I dont know what is the fuss about Blizzard contribution, putting the tourney in its website is not like giving raw money, the real appreciation should go to Sonic and Monkey3. Gj Sonic and incredible sponsorship by Monkey3 Its not really about the level of support, its the fact that Blizzard seems to have shifted their mentality from "kill BW to make SC2 successful" to supporting pro Broodwar. | ||
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Rainalcar
Croatia443 Posts
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JJAtlaS7
39 Posts
On December 15 2013 03:57 Stratos wrote: The extra exposure Blizzard's support could potentially generate is HUGE. It's all about how much they will want to commit... Maybe if we choose to perceive it positively, they'll go for it Personally I could go on for days speculating on why it's a good business move for them, but this time I'll just choose to accept it as good news for Brood War, however small/big it turns out to be.But yeah obviously Sonic's efforts and the sponsor stepping up is the main point in this. It's incredible this guy still keeps pushing the quality higher. He's taking our wildest dreams and making them happen. Last 2 years were full of hope but also insecurity. 2014 is shaping up to be a year of pure joy and excitement. AMEN!!!! | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
On December 15 2013 03:57 Stratos wrote: The extra exposure Blizzard's support could potentially generate is HUGE. It's all about how much they will want to commit... Maybe if we choose to perceive it positively, they'll go for it Personally I could go on for days speculating on why it's a good business move for them, but this time I'll just choose to accept it as good news for Brood War, however small/big it turns out to be.But yeah obviously Sonic's efforts and the sponsor stepping up is the main point in this. It's incredible this guy still keeps pushing the quality higher. He's taking our wildest dreams and making them happen. Last 2 years were full of hope but also insecurity. 2014 is shaping up to be a year of pure joy and excitement. I am an optimist so taking it at face value, yes what blizzard is doing is very nice and good (maybe they finally realized cannibalizing BW for SC2 was a bad idea? Certainly was bad in korea. People in korea don't care about SC2 anymore). But it's very token. It takes very little effort to make a web banner and advertise it on their website. Unless they are actually providing sponsorship support or are doing tangible things for the game called BW, 99% of the credit remains and will remain with sonic and Monkey3. They have done so much. | ||
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miercat
394 Posts
On December 14 2013 02:23 Hesmyrr wrote: Oh God no, simple graphics makeover - whose necessity is even debatable - is not enough to compensate for horror that is bnet 2.0... I think that BW's graphics are fine as they are, but, if they were updated to HD level, that is also fine (just introducing a new version, or an updated graphics version, would do a lot for the publicity/popularity, and ultimately overall strength of BW), as long as there is no change to the gameplay (unless Blizzard finally decides to balance TvZ to some extent, e.g. attenuate the medic). What's not debatable is that theoretically having Blizzard put its weight behind a game that is actually Broodwar (in terms of gameplay) and not a terrible game like SC2, would be an extremely positive occurrence for the BW community, whatever else happens. If they could additionally implement positive changes to Bnet services, then even better. It is very nice to see Blizzard supporting 9th Sonic Broodwar Starleague. I hope that they continue to support Sonic events, and perhaps also support BW in other ways as well, such as: - Supporting other BW initiatives that may occur. - Sponsoring BW individual leagues. The GOMTV Averatec Intel Classic (sponsored by Blizzard) was one of my favorite tournaments to watch. Being able to watch all the games with English commentary was very nice, and the games were very entertaining. It was a mistake for some of the Korean coaches, to not to allow their players to participate in the event. After all, the individual leagues have provided many of the most entertaining moments in eSports history, and allow the players to show their style of play to the fans. And if a company is willing to put the time and effort to organize an event and provide prize money for players, this should be appreciated. If Blizzard would decide to sponsor more Broodwar tournaments in the future, I'm sure that all the parties involved would be very appreciative, and that the tournaments would be very successful and popular - as was the GOMTV Classic, with the fans. - supporting/sponsoring BW Proleagues. - For future consideration: for example, making an updated version of BW with better graphics, and slight balancing changes to TvZ, would be perhaps ideal. More difficult, if theoretically possible: making an updated version of Broodwar, with the same basic gameplay (i.e. use all the same coding for the game, regarding pathing, units, etc) but with small improvements in the gameplay and perhaps additional/different units - i.e. a future truly worthy successor to Broodwar. After all, consider that BW was one of the most popular and best selling games of all time. Somehow, without even knowing what it would become, BW's designers managed to get almost every aspect of BW essentially perfect(basically except balancing TvZ sufficiently). Even after 10+ years, new strategies were still being created, and the level of play is constantly rising. The unmatched depth and entertainment value of BW, can be attributed to it's fundamental gameplay characteristics (e.g. how units move, what units do, - the unique pathing and feeling of each unit). These fundamentals that made BW so popular and successful, were completely discarded regarding the development of SC2. And unfortunately the result show it. SC2 is a terribly boring game to watch and play, that is losing popularity with time. Regarding the development of SC2, what was the rationale for drastically altering one of the most successful gaming formulas of all time? Making the game more accessible to the casual gamer? BW was already proven to be one of the most successful games of all time for casual gamers - USING THAT FORMULA. Sure, the game is relatively complex, but you can always play against someone who is equivalent to your skill level, and the game is still fun. Also, there are many fun UMS games that are popular with casual players. And if the player is very good, then BW provides the scope and complexity for the player to fully exercise their ability. BW offers something to everyone. Changing the formula in an attempt to cater to the casual gamer, ended up catering to no-one. Obviously the good news is, that the brilliancy of BW is still there. I'm sure if they decided to, Blizzard has the full capability, to do their part to bring it back to the forefront, whether it's by providing support/sponsoring for current/future Broodwar events, or eventually improving upon BW itself (but using the same basic coding), or the concepts of BW. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
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miercat
394 Posts
On December 15 2013 06:46 white_horse wrote: I am an optimist so taking it at face value, yes what blizzard is doing is very nice and good [...] But it's very token. It takes very little effort to make a web banner and advertise it on their website. Unless they are actually providing sponsorship support or are doing tangible things for the game called BW, 99% of the credit remains and will remain with sonic and Monkey3. They have done so much. These types of flippant comments are just not very accurate, meaningful, or productive: - It is important to recognize the true positive value and implications of Blizzard's proposed publicity support, not just from the potential impact on the popularity of the 9th Sonic Starleague, but from the fundamental switch in ideology it represents: if you recall, not long ago, Blizzard had some issues with KeSPA. And now? They intend to promote a BW event? Perhaps, you do not understand how shocking and potentially significant this is. Blizzard is an entity with a lot of weight behind it and a positive working relationship between Blizzard and the BW scene, opens a whole new range of potential positive future developments. Token? No. Blizzard has taken a complete unexpected 180 degree ideological turn, and all credit to them. Obviously SC2 was a terrible mistake; everything from conception to execution was a massive failure. But now they are moving in the right direction, supporting BW - one of the most popular and sucessful games of all time. If you have any criticism regarding the support they are providing, just keep it to yourself. It is only going to be counterproductive at this point. Blizzard is not obligated - and all support is welcome and appreciated, and should be positively encouraged. - No one is trying to take credit from Sonic and the SSL sponsors. These are the commonly known facts: Sonic organizes the BW scene in Korea. Monkey3 is the sponsor for SSL 9. And Blizzard will provide publicity support (with the implication is that Blizzard now has a positive attitude towards BW, and there is the potential for additional positive developments in the future). As far as I know, no one has claimed, or assumed anything else. So, your attempt to qualify Blizzard's support, was absolutely useless. They have decided to help with publicity. That is great news. And lets hope for more. - Just to be clear, publicity/advertising is a tangible benefit, which impacts the bottom line of a business. If you had any knowledge about how a viewership driven business like eSports operates, you would understand that a lot of time, money, and effort, is spent on advertising. It is an absolutely critical aspect. I'm sure Sonic himself understands the business logistics of the situation, and is very appreciative of Blizzard for providing this type of support; all fans of BW should be similarly appreciative. (Of course, more intensive forms of support would be welcome in addition, but publicity in and of itself is significant.) - In addition, Blizzard did indeed directly sponsor a BW tournament, e.g. regarding the 2009 GOMTV Averatec Intel Classic. However, making backhanded comments, like "it's nice what they're doing, but it's very token, and takes little effort," is not going to encourage similar such future supports. Try and be more productive with your comments. Blizzard taking a step in the right direction in supporting BW, can only be viewed as a positive development at this point. It is appreciated, and I hope they continue with such initiatives in the future. | ||
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Plissken_2097
Spain628 Posts
And you can't blame people for being reservate and wary towards blizzard. They are the main reason bw was bereft of his own scene and being forced to grow one of his own again. Just one simple good deed ain't gonna change the hearts of the people towards them so easily. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28788 Posts
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On December 15 2013 23:10 Liquid`Drone wrote: tvz bw is the greatest matchup of the game, and quite frankly, of any game. Anything that comes close to touching tvz bw would have my immediate disapproval. There is nothing that can be done about that matchup to make it better. Queens having consume would make it better ^________________^ | ||
Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On December 15 2013 23:12 Birdie wrote: Queens having consume would make it better ^________________^ Science vessels having an air to air attack  | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28788 Posts
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white_horse
1019 Posts
On December 15 2013 19:04 miercat wrote: These types of flippant comments are just not very accurate, meaningful, or productive: - It is important to recognize the true positive value and implications of Blizzard's proposed publicity support, not just from the potential impact on the popularity of the 9th Sonic Starleague, but from the fundamental switch in ideology it represents: if you recall, not long ago, Blizzard had some issues with KeSPA. And now? They intend to promote a BW event? Perhaps, you do not understand how shocking and potentially significant this is. Blizzard is an entity with a lot of weight behind it and a positive working relationship between Blizzard and the BW scene, opens a whole new range of potential positive future developments. Token? No. Blizzard has taken a complete unexpected 180 degree ideological turn, and all credit to them. Obviously SC2 was a terrible mistake; everything from conception to execution was a massive failure. But now they are moving in the right direction, supporting BW - one of the most popular and sucessful games of all time. If you have any criticism regarding the support they are providing, just keep it to yourself. It is only going to be counterproductive at this point. Blizzard is not obligated - and all support is welcome and appreciated, and should be positively encouraged. - No one is trying to take credit from Sonic and the SSL sponsors. These are the commonly known facts: Sonic organizes the BW scene in Korea. Monkey3 is the sponsor for SSL 9. And Blizzard will provide publicity support (with the implication is that Blizzard now has a positive attitude towards BW, and there is the potential for additional positive developments in the future). As far as I know, no one has claimed, or assumed anything else. So, your attempt to qualify Blizzard's support, was absolutely useless. They have decided to help with publicity. That is great news. And lets hope for more. - Just to be clear, publicity/advertising is a tangible benefit, which impacts the bottom line of a business. If you had any knowledge about how a viewership driven business like eSports operates, you would understand that a lot of time, money, and effort, is spent on advertising. It is an absolutely critical aspect. I'm sure Sonic himself understands the business logistics of the situation, and is very appreciative of Blizzard for providing this type of support; all fans of BW should be similarly appreciative. (Of course, more intensive forms of support would be welcome in addition, but publicity in and of itself is significant.) - In addition, Blizzard did indeed directly sponsor a BW tournament, e.g. regarding the 2009 GOMTV Averatec Intel Classic. However, making backhanded comments, like "it's nice what they're doing, but it's very token, and takes little effort," is not going to encourage similar such future supports. Try and be more productive with your comments. Blizzard taking a step in the right direction in supporting BW, can only be viewed as a positive development at this point. It is appreciated, and I hope they continue with such initiatives in the future. Do you work at blizzard? Why are you writing a book trying to refute me? You are overreacting. Also, drop the attitude. You won't convince anyone that way. | ||
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Larvator
Ukraine87 Posts
Sonic (and every other BW events organizers inside and outside Korea) is our true hero! It is so nice that he is doing fine so far and his events become more and more succesful! So many great players and fine event organisation. | ||
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miercat
394 Posts
On December 15 2013 21:23 Golondrin wrote: Lol, that TvZ bias it's only hurting your credibility man. You've got good points, but really, if you played protoss, your opinion would be how broken PvZ is, and still be wrong. The game it's completely fine as it is. And you can't blame people for being reservate and wary towards blizzard. They are the main reason bw was bereft of his own scene and being forced to grow one of his own again. Just one simple good deed ain't gonna change the hearts of the people towards them so easily. + Show Spoiler + (The balancing issue was obviously a very minor point, not connected to the main argument at all, but I was referencing development, and for completion's sake, I included it - so take it for what it is, or even disregard it for now. I understand that all matchups are not perfectly balanced, but there is an article on Teamliquid for example, (unfortunately, don't remember the source) that discusses the specific significance of the TvZ imbalance). I could say a lot more to qualify these comments, but really, that would be a completely separate comprehensive discussion - the main point regarding the issue of Blizzard/BW/Support, is of more relevance/importance at this point. Overall, Blizzard did an exceptional job with BW - pretty much the best game ever, and like I said, it is a couple tweaks away from being essentially perfect.) I understand the reservation regarding Blizzard - I've been as critical as anyone, regarding how Blizzard handled the whole SC2/Kespa situation; it was a complete disaster. But now, it's more about putting personal feelings aside, and being pragmatic in the current situation: What are the ultimate goals for Pro BW, and what are the ways to facilitate these goals? Blizzard made some mistakes in the past, but now they shifted their ideology and have taken steps to support BW. At this point (it is the first step after-all), there is no benefit to making critical comments about the nature of this support; it's not going to achieve anything positive for the BW scene. If someone does something positive, and you want them to continue doing such things, you encourage it in a positive manner, and provide suggestions for future actions. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On December 16 2013 00:34 white_horse wrote: Do you work at blizzard? Why are you writing a book trying to refute me? You are overreacting. Also, drop the attitude. You won't convince anyone that way. I am with you in this one White_Horse, this guy thinks that in this forum you convince someone just writing a big essay about how Blizzard is so important and benefitial to the BW resurgence, give us a break miercat. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
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