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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
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lemmata
468 Posts
I somehow doubt that they go that high since Blizzard asked GomTV for $1 when GomTV first approached Blizzard about licensing. In turn, Gom's initial sub-licensing offer to KeSPA was around $100K/year. For perspective: That's about half the money that SKT1 paid MBC for the rights to Bisu. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 03 2013 14:42 Rekrul wrote: inb4 whats really going to happen is some chinese mastermind is setting it up to gain the public's trust in savior again (atleast in china), have him win a few tournaments and then set everyone up for the epic match-fixing again 2.0 china edition It's china. Anything is possible. If anything, I'd put my money on it to happen. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5090 Posts
On December 03 2013 14:37 Rekrul wrote: I didn't say he wasn't hurting E-sports because of that, but the fact that he's siphoning money out of bookies who are millionaire exploiters themselves instead of from the SC:BW scene is a fact that the vast majority of people fail to realize. So you're saying Savior exploited exploiters as an exploiter himself? Who cares? He is still as pathetic. | ||
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lemmata
468 Posts
On December 03 2013 14:37 Rekrul wrote: I didn't say he wasn't hurting E-sports because of that, but the fact that he's siphoning money out of bookies who are millionaire exploiters themselves instead of from the SC:BW scene is a fact that the vast majority of people fail to realize. This is a straw man argument. No one is saying that Savior hurt Brood War because he took money from bad guys. If we isolate the factual aspect of Savior taking money from bad guys, of course that by itself doesn't hurt BW. Why are you arguing against a contrived position that no one is taking? It's what he did in order to take that money from those bad guys that hurt e-sports. People are saying that he hurt BW putting the integrity of competition into question and recruiting a bunch of pro gamers into his conspiracy. How did we get here again? | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On December 03 2013 14:42 lemmata wrote: I somehow doubt that they go that high since Blizzard asked GomTV for $1 when GomTV first approached Blizzard about licensing. In turn, Gom's initial sub-licensing offer to KeSPA was around $100K/year. For perspective: That's about half the money that SKT1 paid MBC for the rights to Bisu. The point is that the best case scenario is that irrelevant entities get to decide who plays in tournaments. It's possible that nothing really bad happens, but if we are all rooting for "not super harmful" then it's a bad thing. | ||
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lemmata
468 Posts
On December 03 2013 14:42 Rekrul wrote: inb4 whats really going to happen is some chinese mastermind is setting it up to gain the public's trust in savior again (atleast in china), have him win a few tournaments and then set everyone up for the epic match-fixing again 2.0 china edition At least that would result in one or two really cool Korean movies based on the story... Old Boy Returns: The Continental Broker | ||
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lemmata
468 Posts
On December 03 2013 14:50 hacklebeast wrote: The point is that the best case scenario is that irrelevant entities get to decide who plays in tournaments. It's possible that nothing really bad happens, but if we are all rooting for "not super harmful" then it's a bad thing. I guess it would be a bad thing if you're the kind of person who wants to watch a past-his-prime Savior to play second/third-tier competition while reminding everyone that a convicted and unrepentant match-fixer is winning big prizes in China...but otherwise... Blizzard hasn't been known to meddle in who gets to play in tournaments others sponsor. Banning match-fixers is more of a minimum decorum requirement than meddling. It won't be just one way either. Whenever Chinese governing bodies ban match-fixers, they will have channels to make sure their bans are respected in Korea and by Blizzard. | ||
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pebble444
Italy2497 Posts
If you really want to do something for Broodwar, think of something that YOU can do. Everyone has a skill or talent in some place, and everyone can contribuite in some way to the Broodwar. Easy to say fuck this fuck that. You have people streaming, people organizing threads and tournaments, and its easy to take this for granted. People like Gecko, Jaevlaterran, Sayle, 2pac, hackebeast, Redaxis, Lmaster, Xkcd, Snipealot, Nina, Draw, Largo, *and the list could go on and on). These people took are taking time and energy and trasforming it into something real, something that produces results. When i first walked in to this community, i was enjoying it so much, that i felt the need to give something back. And i did in my own way, i contribuited how i felt it worked for me. Wake up and smell the coffea. It will make your life more satisfying to archieve something, than spend time and energy being hurt and angry. And i quote Largo' s post from i think a year back: Hey guys, we're living in a simple world. If you want BW to be alive, to be young and hot, you should do something, not just drink beer while watching Sayle's stream. History shows that we got a great community. We can do everything we need and we want. What does BW need now? What can YOU do? | ||
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hkjp
Hong Kong17 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 03 2013 14:49 lemmata wrote: This is a straw man argument. No one is saying that Savior hurt Brood War because he took money from bad guys. If we isolate the factual aspect of Savior taking money from bad guys, of course that by itself doesn't hurt BW. Why are you arguing against a contrived position that no one is taking? It's what he did in order to take that money from those bad guys that hurt e-sports. People are saying that he hurt BW putting the integrity of competition into question and recruiting a bunch of pro gamers into his conspiracy. How did we get here again? because you said bookie's don't lose lol | ||
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lemmata
468 Posts
And I amended my statement. And bookies losing or not losing has nothing to do with whether Savior hurt e-sports with his match-fixing. Two can LOL. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 03 2013 15:17 lemmata wrote: And I amended my statement. And bookies losing or not losing has nothing to do with whether Savior hurt e-sports with his match-fixing. Two can LOL. Owners of a full fledged zoo decided to replace it with a shitty petting zoo. Right before the demolition and remodeling a lion named Leo broke out of it's cage and mauled a bunch of people. Now everyone who misses the real animals blames Leo for the fact that the best they are going to get is a miniature donkey. #freeLeo | ||
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On December 02 2013 19:40 Mewka wrote: this I though Savior was banned on KeSPA events not Brood:War in general . And why the hell KeSPA even care if they decided to not promote bw in the first place. I have the best awnser : they want to make sure nobody play/watch Broodwar so every1 watch their LoL proleague. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On December 03 2013 15:56 xsnac wrote: I have the best awnser : they want to make sure nobody play/watch Broodwar so every1 watch their SC2 proleague. FTFY This was their initial intention, but then again, with LoL having a stranglehold on the market, it's still the same thing. And is this the first time in quite a while that a Romanian is bluntly correct?! | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On December 03 2013 12:19 Rekrul wrote: kespa on the other hand, a round table of big company shills disguised as representatives of the teams took players' prize money etc. on certain teams wait kespa took the prizemoney of players?0_o | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
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