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kknds
Profile Joined March 2019
Sweden5 Posts
March 05 2019 07:34 GMT
#5441
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10254 Posts
March 05 2019 08:22 GMT
#5442
On March 05 2019 16:34 kknds wrote:
omg... SC:BW discussions are live till today!
how to learn how many participants votes for zergs?

What?
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-05 08:38:26
March 05 2019 08:37 GMT
#5443
On March 03 2019 14:43 XenOsky wrote:
What is the difference in mining between left and right spawning positions in zvz? More than fifty minerals in a minute?


I would say if you get 50 minerals over 10 minutes that may still be stretched. Also it's so difficult to compare, people send drones to different minerals, some of the optimize, some of them now trick to put in the right angle so the drone "bounces back" upon returning etc.. all of that matters. I guess what you refer is the larva trick to go to the left? I would say that have a minimal impact.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
March 05 2019 19:13 GMT
#5444
+ Show Spoiler [semi ASL spoilers] +

So this is just a random thought and maybe just my old STX fanboyism coming around but I'm starting to think that the coaching staff/culture of STX during the kespa days was definitely not good. Post-KESPA lots of STX players went on to have huge success: Innovation and Dear did very well in SC2 and then Shuttle, Hero, Modesty, mini, and Last all did / are doing quite well in the post-kespa BW scene.

But during the KESPA days STX was always a team with great players who mostly choked when it counted, with Calm being the only one to ever win a tournament (unless you count July but he only transferred to STX for a short time before he won that OSL).

Players like bogus/dear/mini were still quite young rookies when kespa ended though so maybe you could argue that they were bound for great things in kespa BW had the league continued though.

I dunno maybe I'm just grasping at straws here, but as an old STX fan it's cool to see so many former players doing well in the new era, I always knew they were full of potential.
Free Palestine
JonttuTonttu
Profile Blog Joined November 2018
81 Posts
March 05 2019 19:45 GMT
#5445
Is there any easy way to share replays on this site? Was thinking of starting a thread regarding certain kind of replays.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10254 Posts
March 05 2019 20:18 GMT
#5446
On March 06 2019 04:45 JonttuTonttu wrote:
Is there any easy way to share replays on this site? Was thinking of starting a thread regarding certain kind of replays.

Upload externally, link here.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
March 05 2019 20:37 GMT
#5447
On March 06 2019 04:13 Ideas wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [semi ASL spoilers] +

So this is just a random thought and maybe just my old STX fanboyism coming around but I'm starting to think that the coaching staff/culture of STX during the kespa days was definitely not good. Post-KESPA lots of STX players went on to have huge success: Innovation and Dear did very well in SC2 and then Shuttle, Hero, Modesty, mini, and Last all did / are doing quite well in the post-kespa BW scene.

But during the KESPA days STX was always a team with great players who mostly choked when it counted, with Calm being the only one to ever win a tournament (unless you count July but he only transferred to STX for a short time before he won that OSL).

Players like bogus/dear/mini were still quite young rookies when kespa ended though so maybe you could argue that they were bound for great things in kespa BW had the league continued though.

I dunno maybe I'm just grasping at straws here, but as an old STX fan it's cool to see so many former players doing well in the new era, I always knew they were full of potential.


+ Show Spoiler +
I have pondered this too. In case of Last and Hero, they both seem to have gone so far Post-Kespa in their weakest matchups (tvz and zvt IMO in Kespa-era) Letmelose mentioned, that Last and Bogus didn't help each other during 2011 season... Then again, Last and Hero have grinded insane ammounts of practice-games and Sponmatches in 2014-2016 so that contributes too.
it's not just a music it's something else
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
March 05 2019 21:04 GMT
#5448
On March 06 2019 04:13 Ideas wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [semi ASL spoilers] +

So this is just a random thought and maybe just my old STX fanboyism coming around but I'm starting to think that the coaching staff/culture of STX during the kespa days was definitely not good. Post-KESPA lots of STX players went on to have huge success: Innovation and Dear did very well in SC2 and then Shuttle, Hero, Modesty, mini, and Last all did / are doing quite well in the post-kespa BW scene.

But during the KESPA days STX was always a team with great players who mostly choked when it counted, with Calm being the only one to ever win a tournament (unless you count July but he only transferred to STX for a short time before he won that OSL).

Players like bogus/dear/mini were still quite young rookies when kespa ended though so maybe you could argue that they were bound for great things in kespa BW had the league continued though.

I dunno maybe I'm just grasping at straws here, but as an old STX fan it's cool to see so many former players doing well in the new era, I always knew they were full of potential.


+ Show Spoiler +
STX fanboyism? That existed?
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Proa
Profile Joined March 2019
3 Posts
March 06 2019 02:17 GMT
#5449
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
March 06 2019 02:25 GMT
#5450
Not sure where to post it but Soma has rocketed on the spon Elo recently. Will hope to see him in ASL/KSL next season.

11 박상현 Z 20 17 3 85% 12 3 80% 2 0 100% 3 0 100% 1204.3
The heart's eternal vow
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 06:06:18
March 06 2019 06:04 GMT
#5451
On March 06 2019 06:04 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 04:13 Ideas wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [semi ASL spoilers] +

So this is just a random thought and maybe just my old STX fanboyism coming around but I'm starting to think that the coaching staff/culture of STX during the kespa days was definitely not good. Post-KESPA lots of STX players went on to have huge success: Innovation and Dear did very well in SC2 and then Shuttle, Hero, Modesty, mini, and Last all did / are doing quite well in the post-kespa BW scene.

But during the KESPA days STX was always a team with great players who mostly choked when it counted, with Calm being the only one to ever win a tournament (unless you count July but he only transferred to STX for a short time before he won that OSL).

Players like bogus/dear/mini were still quite young rookies when kespa ended though so maybe you could argue that they were bound for great things in kespa BW had the league continued though.

I dunno maybe I'm just grasping at straws here, but as an old STX fan it's cool to see so many former players doing well in the new era, I always knew they were full of potential.


+ Show Spoiler +
STX fanboyism? That existed?


There were tons of us: me, carnivoussheep, 538, ....others
Free Palestine
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 07:27:19
March 06 2019 07:27 GMT
#5452
On March 06 2019 15:04 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 06:04 Qikz wrote:
On March 06 2019 04:13 Ideas wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [semi ASL spoilers] +

So this is just a random thought and maybe just my old STX fanboyism coming around but I'm starting to think that the coaching staff/culture of STX during the kespa days was definitely not good. Post-KESPA lots of STX players went on to have huge success: Innovation and Dear did very well in SC2 and then Shuttle, Hero, Modesty, mini, and Last all did / are doing quite well in the post-kespa BW scene.

But during the KESPA days STX was always a team with great players who mostly choked when it counted, with Calm being the only one to ever win a tournament (unless you count July but he only transferred to STX for a short time before he won that OSL).

Players like bogus/dear/mini were still quite young rookies when kespa ended though so maybe you could argue that they were bound for great things in kespa BW had the league continued though.

I dunno maybe I'm just grasping at straws here, but as an old STX fan it's cool to see so many former players doing well in the new era, I always knew they were full of potential.


+ Show Spoiler +
STX fanboyism? That existed?


There were tons of us: me, carnivoussheep, 538, ....others




Is what that reminds me of.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
March 09 2019 01:55 GMT
#5453
On March 06 2019 11:25 PVJ wrote:
Not sure where to post it but Soma has rocketed on the spon Elo recently. Will hope to see him in ASL/KSL next season.

11 박상현 Z 20 17 3 85% 12 3 80% 2 0 100% 3 0 100% 1204.3


O_O pretty sick yea hope he will shine in the next seasons!
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-10 09:23:05
March 10 2019 09:22 GMT
#5454
Just watch (Z)ZerO pulling the trick of turning a lone hydra into a lurker egg to tank a mine with less damage against (T)Flash... Is this worth it ?

If so, why don't we see it more often?

TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1444 Posts
March 10 2019 12:13 GMT
#5455
[image loading]

You would think the 20k viewers on Flash's stream are there to see him and the other two gosus having a social eating, but it's probably mostly Britney they're there for, lol.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10254 Posts
March 10 2019 15:16 GMT
#5456
On March 10 2019 18:22 Burned Toast wrote:
Just watch (Z)ZerO pulling the trick of turning a lone hydra into a lurker egg to tank a mine with less damage against (T)Flash... Is this worth it ?

If so, why don't we see it more often?

EffOrt has done it in official matches, been doing it for years. It's worth it because you don't lose any money from cancelling Lurker aspect and you save a Hydralisk (or more).
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
GunSlinger
Profile Joined June 2006
614 Posts
March 10 2019 15:53 GMT
#5457
On March 10 2019 18:22 Burned Toast wrote:
Just watch (Z)ZerO pulling the trick of turning a lone hydra into a lurker egg to tank a mine with less damage against (T)Flash... Is this worth it ?

If so, why don't we see it more often?



I do this sometimes (attempt to do this I should say lol) when I see the opportunity. It is really more of a flashy micro-trick than any kind of reliable tactic. Is it worth it? I don't know. How important is that hydra? haha

It is similar to dropping a Reaver out of a Shuttle to set off a mine, then loading it back into the Shuttle to dodge the mine explosion. I mean, yeah it is cool and can clear a mine but... the micro is really intense, so it is less practical in a 'normal' game.
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
562 Posts
March 10 2019 20:20 GMT
#5458
Everyone tends to gravitate towards laziness when they’re playing; doing the most with least. You tend to do minor tricks when you feel like you have excess time and energy to do stuff like that.

Or if you think it’s game-critical.
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51507 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-11 05:48:26
March 11 2019 05:47 GMT
#5459
Any 'official' announcement of Effort going to the military? YT video/Afreeca post etc?
Or did he say it in a pre-game/post-game interview and I just missed it lol
Commentator
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
March 11 2019 06:09 GMT
#5460
On a random note, does anyone else find ZvT has become pretty stale lately? All the games feel very similar: either Terran kills Zerg before the third is up and running, or Zerg gets defilers and eventually ultras and the game is basically decided. I remember during Kespa days you would have long back and forth macro games in ZvT, with tons of ultras versus mass tank. Now it just feels so binary. Is it because mass siege tank just isn't that good anymore, so there's no real answer to ultras unless Terran is already far ahead? (And hence the non-stop aggression from Terran.)
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