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Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
April 08 2013 21:12 GMT
#41
I know it is irrelevant but I am curious about the legend iCafe.Moto, any news about him?
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
April 08 2013 21:13 GMT
#42
On April 09 2013 04:00 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 20:43 G5 wrote:
On April 08 2013 09:23 Nymphaceae wrote:
On April 07 2013 15:28 vOdToasT wrote:
This guy is like a more oldschool version of Combat EX. He brags a lot, has no wit, keeps saying dumb things, thinks he's better at the game than he is, is black, and is a douche bag. :D

Hovz actually was really good at the game. Combatex never was good at the game...

I just figure that hovz was like a pathological liar or something, because some of those stories he told me in channel were really weird. Like he'd tell me about how he needs to keep a pistol in his car, and then kept rambling on about how this terran proxy raxed him.


Dunno what being black has to do with anything... but... w/e... HovZ in my opinion was never that good. When Team USA was first made, he made the team and was top 10 USA material but even then, I used to be able to beat him and at that point, I played Terran and completely sucked. This is back in the early days of Grrrr... and Elky. Once the game evolved a little bit and players got better, HovZ couldn't keep up. Artosis, Nyoken, Rekrul, Froz, Assem, Day[9], and others were, and still are, far better than him.

On April 07 2013 19:08 Shana wrote:
Wasnt he the one that punched nextel?


Yes. He showed up to his house, knocked on the door, and hit him because Nextel shit talked him (if I remember correctly). HovZ was a disrespectful punk / criminal imo. Honestly, who the hell does that? Hopefully he has grown up and isn't such a "thug".



I would have said the same thing if they were both asian or latin american or anything else. It's just another thing in a long list of similarities between Hovz and Combat-EX.

you are an idiot. his name is wasif khan. he is not black.
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rusty23456
Profile Joined September 2009
United States112 Posts
April 08 2013 21:16 GMT
#43
i saw this cross eyed guy play in person at a WCG event long time ago. Really terrible mechanics. He literally uses "one" hotkey. He played like a 5 yr old child. Didnt think he was good at all. He got eliminated in the second round.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
April 08 2013 21:23 GMT
#44
On April 09 2013 06:13 nath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 04:00 vOdToasT wrote:
On April 08 2013 20:43 G5 wrote:
On April 08 2013 09:23 Nymphaceae wrote:
On April 07 2013 15:28 vOdToasT wrote:
This guy is like a more oldschool version of Combat EX. He brags a lot, has no wit, keeps saying dumb things, thinks he's better at the game than he is, is black, and is a douche bag. :D

Hovz actually was really good at the game. Combatex never was good at the game...

I just figure that hovz was like a pathological liar or something, because some of those stories he told me in channel were really weird. Like he'd tell me about how he needs to keep a pistol in his car, and then kept rambling on about how this terran proxy raxed him.


Dunno what being black has to do with anything... but... w/e... HovZ in my opinion was never that good. When Team USA was first made, he made the team and was top 10 USA material but even then, I used to be able to beat him and at that point, I played Terran and completely sucked. This is back in the early days of Grrrr... and Elky. Once the game evolved a little bit and players got better, HovZ couldn't keep up. Artosis, Nyoken, Rekrul, Froz, Assem, Day[9], and others were, and still are, far better than him.

On April 07 2013 19:08 Shana wrote:
Wasnt he the one that punched nextel?


Yes. He showed up to his house, knocked on the door, and hit him because Nextel shit talked him (if I remember correctly). HovZ was a disrespectful punk / criminal imo. Honestly, who the hell does that? Hopefully he has grown up and isn't such a "thug".



I would have said the same thing if they were both asian or latin american or anything else. It's just another thing in a long list of similarities between Hovz and Combat-EX.

you are an idiot. his name is wasif khan. he is not black.


In the only picture of him I saw, he looked african. I guess I'm an idiot.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
April 08 2013 21:46 GMT
#45
On April 09 2013 06:12 Hyperionnn wrote:
I know it is irrelevant but I am curious about the legend iCafe.Moto, any news about him?

hopefully he got hit by a bus
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 21:52:16
April 08 2013 21:51 GMT
#46
more importantly, where is Casper...?
(pm me if you know)
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 06:04:16
April 09 2013 05:46 GMT
#47
On April 08 2013 20:43 G5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 09:23 Nymphaceae wrote:
On April 07 2013 15:28 vOdToasT wrote:
This guy is like a more oldschool version of Combat EX. He brags a lot, has no wit, keeps saying dumb things, thinks he's better at the game than he is, is black, and is a douche bag. :D

Hovz actually was really good at the game. Combatex never was good at the game...

I just figure that hovz was like a pathological liar or something, because some of those stories he told me in channel were really weird. Like he'd tell me about how he needs to keep a pistol in his car, and then kept rambling on about how this terran proxy raxed him.


Dunno what being black has to do with anything... but... w/e... HovZ in my opinion was never that good. When Team USA was first made, he made the team and was top 10 USA material but even then, I used to be able to beat him and at that point, I played Terran and completely sucked. This is back in the early days of Grrrr... and Elky. Once the game evolved a little bit and players got better, HovZ couldn't keep up. Artosis, Nyoken, Rekrul, Froz, Assem, Day[9], and others were, and still are, far better than him.

Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 19:08 Shana wrote:
Wasnt he the one that punched nextel?


Yes. He showed up to his house, knocked on the door, and hit him because Nextel shit talked him (if I remember correctly). HovZ was a disrespectful punk / criminal imo. Honestly, who the hell does that? Hopefully he has grown up and isn't such a "thug".


Uh... compared to the timelines in SC? HovZ was okay but nothing special lol. He was decent for the era in which he played. Not like you were any better back than Eric. A lot of guys could beat him easily back then. Not much of a feat. I would never compare players to other guys who quit long before they started to make waves like yourself. So there's no need to compare a guy like HovZ to guys like Nyoken, Rek, Froz, Whear, and Assem. Heck I wouldn't even compare him to Maynard, Zileas, Pillars and Tsu for that matter either. Sean started doing well in 2003-2004 and your home boy Dan was never that good. -_-

On April 09 2013 05:15 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 04:28 DarkNetHunter wrote:
On April 08 2013 20:43 G5 wrote:

On April 07 2013 19:08 Shana wrote:
Wasnt he the one that punched nextel?


Yes. He showed up to his house, knocked on the door, and hit him because Nextel shit talked him (if I remember correctly). HovZ was a disrespectful punk / criminal imo. Honestly, who the hell does that? Hopefully he has grown up and isn't such a "thug".


Not defending HovZ because I have no idea how he acted himself, but I would applaud such an action. The internet shouldn't give a free pass to talk shit, it's not like you'd talk shit to a stranger on the subway and not expect to get punched for it.


You're applauding him punching someone over a little smack talk? Really?


The guy loves to fight.
Evilmonkey.
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1628 Posts
April 09 2013 06:02 GMT
#48
It's threads like these that make me remember I've been browsing this website for 8 years lol
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
April 09 2013 06:13 GMT
#49
On April 09 2013 06:46 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 06:12 Hyperionnn wrote:
I know it is irrelevant but I am curious about the legend iCafe.Moto, any news about him?

hopefully he got hit by a bus


I 2nd this ^
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Powerpill
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States1693 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 07:29:52
April 09 2013 07:27 GMT
#50
I still remember that old TL thread where Hovz called out Spain, saying all Spanish players were n00bs. Pages upon pages of smack talk ensued, then some B team Spain player (called Upham if I remember correctly) challenged and beat HovZ, immediately posting the replay in the thread. Ah.. the old days. =]
The pretty things are going to hell, they wore it out but they wore it well
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
April 09 2013 07:42 GMT
#51
Who doesn't love grudge matches :D
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 09 2013 08:47 GMT
#52
On April 09 2013 16:27 Powerpill wrote:
I still remember that old TL thread where Hovz called out Spain, saying all Spanish players were n00bs. Pages upon pages of smack talk ensued, then some B team Spain player (called Upham if I remember correctly) challenged and beat HovZ, immediately posting the replay in the thread. Ah.. the old days. =]


Upham was actually pretty good even back then.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
April 09 2013 09:01 GMT
#53
iCafe.Moto guy haha, how could I forget :D

What about ZelotITO? I liked the guy.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 09 2013 09:07 GMT
#54
No idea. I just know he quit the competitive scene a long time ago. Much sooner than a lot of other guys. Definitely one of the better Spaniards to play BW and Spain had a lot of decent players.
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 09:45:04
April 09 2013 09:43 GMT
#55
On April 07 2013 16:46 travis wrote:
you can say what you want of hovz but in his prime he was definitely one of the best terrans in the U.S. Probably 2nd or 3rd best, honestly I can't remember what terran in the U.S. I had more trouble vs than him.. but im probably just not remembering.


Sorry man this is just so untrue. Froz, Assem and lots of ppl were leagues better than him to a degree that you could call hovz an amateur. As hilarious as it is Artosis was prob better than him. Then u have ppl less known like Crayon who could play Terran much better than Hovz ever could despite it not being his main race, etc.

Hovz was like low apm okay player, Terrible vs efficient Z and prob had an okay vs USA P matchh. I beat him in a wcg qual live using a mouse that wasnt even mine and felt horrible lol. i mean whatever this is like 8 years ago but i dont like to see someone like hovz get acclaim this way.
Broom
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
April 09 2013 11:47 GMT
#56
APM has nothing to do. Macia, one of the polish best terrans few years ago (WCG finals vs Blackman) was 70 apm terran and still managed to outclass his opponents. Just to mention ^^
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nyoken
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States102 Posts
April 09 2013 13:10 GMT
#57
I was friends w/ hovz back then and helped him a lot so obviously I am biased, but he was pretty good. His TvT was pretty good and so was his TvP. He was using tank/vulture (1 base) and if you think about how TvT was played recently, I'm talking about 2010 because I don't play bw anymore, it was alot of tank/vulture except off 2 base.

Nobody has mentioned this but in WCG 2003 hovz got 4th place. Top 2 went to Korea that year and it's very possible he could have gone. In loser bracket semis he had assem completely dead but threw the game away. It was legacy of char and he had all of the top half of the map while assem only had bottom left and was almost mined out. Assem was going BC/Turret to defend vs a mass wraith transition from a tank/goliath build and hovz just kept losing wraiths over and over. Eventually assem got bottom right and hovz never transitioned to anything else and lost. Ultimately he could have just built 10+ factories or went BC and ran over assem but he didn't. I watched this in person so I could see both players screen. It's too bad this replay most likely doesn't exist anymore.

He then would have had to play Mcnasty for 2nd/3rd who he had already lost to before so he still may have not made it to Korea. Obviously placing high in 1 WCG doesn't necessarily mean you're great and since he quit we'll never really know if it was a fluke or not.

As far as where he is now I've been told he just owns up the casino playing poker.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 09 2013 15:09 GMT
#58
On April 09 2013 22:10 nyoken wrote:
I was friends w/ hovz back then and helped him a lot so obviously I am biased, but he was pretty good. His TvT was pretty good and so was his TvP. He was using tank/vulture (1 base) and if you think about how TvT was played recently, I'm talking about 2010 because I don't play bw anymore, it was alot of tank/vulture except off 2 base.

Nobody has mentioned this but in WCG 2003 hovz got 4th place. Top 2 went to Korea that year and it's very possible he could have gone. In loser bracket semis he had assem completely dead but threw the game away. It was legacy of char and he had all of the top half of the map while assem only had bottom left and was almost mined out. Assem was going BC/Turret to defend vs a mass wraith transition from a tank/goliath build and hovz just kept losing wraiths over and over. Eventually assem got bottom right and hovz never transitioned to anything else and lost. Ultimately he could have just built 10+ factories or went BC and ran over assem but he didn't. I watched this in person so I could see both players screen. It's too bad this replay most likely doesn't exist anymore.

He then would have had to play Mcnasty for 2nd/3rd who he had already lost to before so he still may have not made it to Korea. Obviously placing high in 1 WCG doesn't necessarily mean you're great and since he quit we'll never really know if it was a fluke or not.

As far as where he is now I've been told he just owns up the casino playing poker.



speak of the devil. Now we just need cobalt and Shatza to show their faces.
Nymphaceae
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States350 Posts
April 09 2013 15:19 GMT
#59
I'd appreciate it if you guys wouldn't all be criticizing HoVz for his play. He was one of the better players at the time, and had an exciting personality too. I never heard of HoVz cheating, even though the majority of the top pro players were.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
April 09 2013 15:42 GMT
#60
On April 09 2013 18:01 739 wrote:
iCafe.Moto guy haha, how could I forget :D

What about ZelotITO? I liked the guy.



I remember reading one of his interviews. He talked about his PvZ style. I think he opened double gate, and said the reason some people thought PvZ was imbalanced was because they didn't get gas fast enough. He also said he liked to exploit little advantages. For example, if his zealot killed one drone he tried to make it a long game.

I was a fan.
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