EPTOn September 14 2012 16:22 Nikon wrote:
Well, it's an original Blizzard map per se, so no surprises there ^^
Well, it's an original Blizzard map per se, so no surprises there ^^
So that explains it. Hahaha
(2)Xel'Naga Caverns (SC2 to BW map conversion) - Page 2
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c3rberUs
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So that explains it. Hahaha | ||
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TaShadan
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On September 14 2012 15:59 neobowman wrote: You can't really play this map PvZ. No way to forge fe. You know 1 base PvZ is not that unviable. -_- | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
On September 14 2012 20:29 sluggaslamoo wrote: You know 1 base PvZ is not that unviable. -_- especially at a non-professional level, which is obviously what this map would be used for | ||
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asiantraceur
United States94 Posts
On September 14 2012 15:48 sluggaslamoo wrote: Awesome although you are missing the air gaps around the mains/outside bases  In BW you don't really see the air gaps...I believe its something about how the screen in SC2 is a trapezoid so it needs extra space on the outside...umm..and drop-wise I dunno but BW maps in general don't really see air gaps like that so I assume theres some reason i can't fathom...Also just my opinion many SC2 maps look like an island cuz theres air gaps around the whole map which I just find mildly irritating... | ||
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i am plus
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On September 14 2012 08:06 Dakkas wrote: Really nice conversion, funny that it's pretty unbalanced because it was originally one of the few 'balanced' maps by Blizzard. Hell no it wasn't. TvZ was very Terran favoured on it. During the days of Lost Temple, Steppes Of War, and Delta Quadrant, if was one of the less terrible maps. But it was still fucking terrible, and it stuck around when other maps got better. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On September 15 2012 12:14 i am plus wrote: where the double gas?!?!??!?! lol in BW you're stuck with only one geyser per expansion. though to compensate you do get the benefit of depleted geysers, so over the course of a very (VERY) long game, minerals can become much more valuable since they are the limited resource. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On September 16 2012 16:57 Gamegene wrote: lol in BW you're stuck with only one geyser per expansion. though to compensate you do get the benefit of depleted geysers, so over the course of a very (VERY) long game, minerals can become much more valuable since they are the limited resource. And archons become so good, because they only cost 50 minerals. So annoying. :D The more bases Protoss gets (so basically the longer the games goes on), the more skewed his archon to zealot ratio becomes. Just leave three probes behind on each base and reap the benefits, even after the geysers deplete. Hehe. Protoss really is the race of economy. The more mineral patches in the main and natural there are, the better it is for Protoss, since they are more mineral based, or at least benefit the most from excess minerals. They also have the strongest economy. Probes accelerate faster than SCV's, therefor mining faster. And, a probe doesn't have to spend time building structures, so it can get right back to mining. They also have a combat unit that basically only costs gas, so mined out bases continue to help the Protoss more than Terran and Zerg. Edit: I meant 100, sorry for typing 50. | ||
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Garmer
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
Changes: -Reduced size of 4/10 ramps -Added mineral block at backdoor natural entrance (2 patches of 16 minerals each) | ||
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Phoenix2003
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On September 16 2012 16:58 vOdToasT wrote: Protoss really is the race of economy. The more mineral patches in the main and natural there are, the better it is for Protoss, since they are more mineral based, or at least benefit the most from excess minerals. They also have the strongest economy. Probes accelerate faster than SCV's, therefor mining faster. And, a probe doesn't have to spend time building structures, so it can get right back to mining. They also have a combat unit that basically only costs gas, so mined out bases continue to help the Protoss more than Terran and Zerg. This is really offset by the fact that protoss units and buildings cost more than terran or zerg. But I'm sure you already knew that. * rolls eyes* NegativeZero, are you doing other map conversions of Entombed Valley and Shakuras Plateau anytime soon(or at all)? I'm curious to see how those would turn out. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
On September 19 2012 14:37 Phoenix2003 wrote: This is really offset by the fact that protoss units and buildings cost more than terran or zerg. But I'm sure you already knew that. * rolls eyes* NegativeZero, are you doing other map conversions of Entombed Valley and Shakuras Plateau anytime soon(or at all)? I'm curious to see how those would turn out. Actually, my friend did a conversion of Entombed Valley very recently. It's pretty accurate, but the mains are weird because they are actually on the same level as the natural even though it looks like they're a level up (this was necessary due to limitations of that BW tileset). Personally I don't ever plan on doing either of those. Shakuras is hard because you can't remove spawn possibilities in BW, and the lowest cliff level on that tileset is weird because it doesn't actually block vision (not a problem on Xel'Naga, but on Shakuras you could see up the natural ramps), and Entombed wouldn't be particularly interesting or balanced in BW in my opinion. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On September 15 2012 13:10 vOdToasT wrote: Hell no it wasn't. TvZ was very Terran favoured on it. During the days of Lost Temple, Steppes Of War, and Delta Quadrant, if was one of the less terrible maps. But it was still fucking terrible, and it stuck around when other maps got better. It was the only map where Terran couldn't just 2rax rush and win against Zerg (unless you got lucky on Metalopolis), and was thus considered the best of a bad bunch, though a Terran who built a planetary at the center base was a Terran who'd won the game. I realy dig the conversion, though. I've been wanting to do a tournament on BW conversions of SC2 maps forever, and I'd love to use yours, Negative! Just one more, and we'll have a proper pool :D | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
On September 21 2012 14:21 Ribbon wrote: It was the only map where Terran couldn't just 2rax rush and win against Zerg (unless you got lucky on Metalopolis), and was thus considered the best of a bad bunch, though a Terran who built a planetary at the center base was a Terran who'd won the game. I realy dig the conversion, though. I've been wanting to do a tournament on BW conversions of SC2 maps forever, and I'd love to use yours, Negative! Just one more, and we'll have a proper pool :D Just use Shin Peaks of Baekdu (Crossfire) or Paranoid Android (Scrap Station). | ||
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Dakkas
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On September 21 2012 14:28 Nazza wrote: Just use Shin Peaks of Baekdu (Crossfire) or Paranoid Android (Scrap Station). You must construct additional destructible rocks. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
On September 21 2012 14:21 Ribbon wrote: It was the only map where Terran couldn't just 2rax rush and win against Zerg (unless you got lucky on Metalopolis), and was thus considered the best of a bad bunch, though a Terran who built a planetary at the center base was a Terran who'd won the game. I realy dig the conversion, though. I've been wanting to do a tournament on BW conversions of SC2 maps forever, and I'd love to use yours, Negative! Just one more, and we'll have a proper pool :D Thanks! You'll have your last map soon enough - me and asiantraceur (the guy who did Entombed) are currently having a little contest where we are both converting ESV Muspelheim to BW, and when we finish we'll post both to TL and make a poll to vote on which is better. I guess being used in your tournament could be a good prize for the winner  Edit: Also if you wanted some maps which aren't strictly SC2 conversions but are definitely better than what I can do, this map is extremely similar to Daybreak, and this map is very close to early versions of Ohana. Both of these weren't actually intended as SC2 ports (I think), they just happened to be similar. Edit2: asiantraceur is currently fixing up Entombed Valley; he said he'll post it here when it's done. Maybe that'll also be good enough to use in your competition, though personally I think the layout doesn't work very well in BW (3rds are too close in horizontal positions, makes tanks OP). | ||
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asiantraceur
United States94 Posts
On September 14 2012 15:59 neobowman wrote: You can't really play this map PvZ. No way to forge fe. Itd be a funky FE but itd be possible...prolly need like 3 cannons...make a wall from cliff to Nexus and then throw in 3-4 cannons? Itd be annoying as hell...ofc in 96^2 vs zerg FFE might not be the best build. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
On September 21 2012 15:33 asiantraceur wrote: Itd be a funky FE but itd be possible...prolly need like 3 cannons...make a wall from cliff to Nexus and then throw in 3-4 cannons? Itd be annoying as hell...ofc in 96^2 vs zerg FFE might not be the best build. I edited the map so both backdoor entrances are blocked (one with a building, the other with minerals) so you can easily FFE now, though you might have to throw down a couple extra cannons later on if the opponent tries to bust down the building. | ||
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