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Haustka
Profile Joined August 2010
United States221 Posts
July 24 2012 08:07 GMT
#481
hopefully they will come bak in sc2

Power of Human Will
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
July 24 2012 08:17 GMT
#482
[image loading]

And the picture with Bisu, Flash, Fantasy, Jaedong, Effort, Leta, Stork in the same team will never happen. T_T
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Anomarad
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada565 Posts
July 24 2012 08:26 GMT
#483
On July 24 2012 17:07 Haustka wrote:
hopefully they will come bak in sc2



...What? We're already "in SC2" with proleague and ODT. And the final disband date will be well into SC2 only PL. They're disbanding because SC2 isn't the phenomenon that BW was...
BeaSteR
Profile Joined May 2009
Sweden328 Posts
July 24 2012 08:40 GMT
#484
On July 24 2012 15:50 haitike wrote:
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On July 24 2012 13:25 Prophanity wrote:
On July 24 2012 06:07 haitike wrote:
On July 24 2012 03:36 GuitarBizarre wrote:
On July 24 2012 01:07 MadNeSs wrote:
On July 24 2012 00:59 Prophanity wrote:
On July 23 2012 22:35 BadAim wrote:
Truly sad news. Every day I pray for sc2 to catch on like bw did...


It has to some extent and will continue to do so. More people watch SC2 than they ever did Brood War. Merely a transition, yet just as new people come in during a time of growth so too do others leave.


You are so wrong, more people watched bw than sc2 has ever had. Tt was on tv afterall, sc2 in still only online. I dont know the exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure that more people wactched bw than sc2. I mean just look at the stadiums where they played sometimes up to 30k ppl attenden - How many people do you see attend a sc2? Not nearly half as much as that, I can assure you that.


In ONE country, it was very popular.

SC2 is very, very popular WORLDWIDE.

People packing a convention center isn't really a valid argument. It only shows local support. SC2 has people packing convention halls in every country where there even IS an event.

Also, how many Broodwar Barcrafts were there?


So ignorant lol. BW in good times had more viewers and live spectators than SC2 has now globally. Only one OSL or PL final could have like 10 times more tv viewers and spectators that any MLG today.


It's pretty pointless for me to try and change the minds of diehards on their forums so I won't. That world 'globally' is important though... Sc2 is global. We will see where it stands given ten or so years as bw had (bw numbers in the first two years of its existence are the same numbers you brought up or are those the numbers given time to grow...and it was one of the only games in town.)

Please enjoy the rest of brood war and I'll see you on the other side. Or maybe I won't. Growth and change.


You are too fast tagging people as diehard because someone correct you. I watch and play both games and I have seen every MLG and GSL since 2010.

But you cant claim "More people watch SC2 than they ever did Brood War" like you said at first. 50.000 viewers in a stream in nothing compared with national TV channel with millions of viewers.


First I just wanna say I'm sorry that Ace are going to disband but I think there's gonna be more news like this. I also play both games and enjoy watching them. As for viewer numbers I think globally they have increased. We have for example the phenomenon of Barcraft and Swedish Television showing Dreamhack's Starcraft tournament. As for Korea I can't really claim anything but it's probably true that Sc2 is never going to be as popular as BW is/was.
Greed is good
InFdude
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Bulgaria619 Posts
July 24 2012 08:43 GMT
#485
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
July 24 2012 09:02 GMT
#486
On July 24 2012 17:17 ne4aJIb wrote:
[image loading]

And the picture with Bisu, Flash, Fantasy, Jaedong, Effort, Leta, Stork in the same team will never happen. T_T


Same as well, my goodness, think of Calm, Sea, Stork and Kal as the vet leading Ace; then Bisu and Jaedong going on board, then Ace Jaedong vs KT Flash, Ace BeSt vs SKT Fantasy, Ace Stork vs Khan Jangbi, the new blood from all these teams fighting against the TBLS to show they now own the team and don't have to live in the shadow of their legacy.

Just imagine this line-up on Ace (all these guys are 22-23):

T: Leta, Sea, Light (Poor Magikarp )

P: Bisu, Stork, Jangbi (23!!!), Kal (Captain)

Z: Jaedong, Calm, ZerO (WHY NOT HOEJJA/HYUK???)

And the next generation after them: (21s)

T: Fantasy (damn it is he the only good 21 year old T???)

P: Movie, Stats

Z: Soulkey, RorO

This is what we're going to miss out on. Notice that Flash isn't even in either of these brackets!
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
July 24 2012 09:03 GMT
#487
On July 24 2012 17:07 Haustka wrote:
hopefully they will come bak in sc2


This is a SC2 team disbanding because of the lack of popularity of SC2 (in korea) and esport in general (pretty obvious translation of the statement). This thread could almost have been in SC2 general, but it was better to post it here because of the team history. Did not really matter though, the temptation to start a passionating debate was stronger.
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BlindKill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia1508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-24 09:12:59
July 24 2012 09:07 GMT
#488
Progamers in Ace were drafted as Air Force computer specialists and served as war game testers at their central computer center.


Fascinating

I like how they do not do the standard bow, rather the crisp clean salute. Really sets them apart from the other teams, aside from always being the last in PL.
“Life is a grindstone, and whether it grinds a man down or polishes him up depends on the stuff he's made of.”
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
July 24 2012 09:13 GMT
#489
I've been reading TL for 4-5 years now and I always resisted the urge to comment until now. I just registered to express my sadness
The heart's eternal vow
OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
July 24 2012 10:00 GMT
#490
Bw figures have been dropping for a while during seasonal play...however the finals of events (PL, OSL) still draw HUGE audiences. Talking to my Girl, who was around high school age when BW was coming out, it was a HUGE deal and they were getting multiple millions of viewers for the first 5 or 6 years. After saViOr scandal, they dropped.....but they were already dropping a little.

SC2 just isn't going to be as big in Korea, which is why it is obvious as to why they're closing down ace. Esports is not as new as it used to be, and due to that Ace will close as there is no need to have it there anymore. This has nothing to do with SC2 being a worse game, it has everything to do with Esports getting old for Koreans. To us in the west, it was always seen as a marvel to behold, that people like us could get paid to do what we love, but it was so far away which is how it kept it's shine. However, When your in the place, and its everywhere, eventually it will get old and you will move on....

If the west Esports scene lasts 12 years like the Koreans has, we've had a good run at it :D and by then, maybe Korea will be back on the Esports bandwagon.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18728 Posts
July 24 2012 10:38 GMT
#491
not surprising to see esports decline
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
July 24 2012 10:43 GMT
#492
not much of an surprise, seeing how sc2 is a marginal thing in korea.
eujjjjj
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
July 24 2012 10:43 GMT
#493
One of those sad days for the community. Do your best next season ACE and farewell old times...
Flash returns...
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2013 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-24 10:56:54
July 24 2012 10:55 GMT
#494
On July 24 2012 16:01 Ribbon wrote:
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On July 24 2012 15:45 Darksoldierr wrote:
On July 24 2012 09:59 Ribbon wrote:
On July 24 2012 09:11 sephirotharg wrote:
I hope that professional BW survives (in Korea, that is)


You wouldn't be interested in professional BW somewhere else? I know the Chinese scene is really small, and the western scene is pitable, but there's still a chance to grow them into something respectable within a few years, I think.


I dont think so, Sc2's release gave BW attention to those who never heard of it before, yet nothings really changed.


That's largely the BW's community's fault, though. Absolutely no effort was made to try to convert any of the "Oh hey SC2 is cool" people to BW fans, besides people on forums calling them names. Where was KeSPA's big outreach? The only major BW scene to ever even try to reach westerners was GOM back when Tasteless and I think SuperDanielMan were casting the GOMTV Classic in English. And KeSPA shut that one down pretty fast. Which, actually, was a pretty terrible decision in the long run. If GOM hadn't gotten into SC2, there'd be no SC2 now.

I seriously do believe that if GOMTV was in the BW business and not the SC2 business, we'd be in a new Golden Age of Brood War right now. SC2 isn't big because of Blizzard, much as people like to blame them. It's big because GOM sold it to a foreign audience.

Even right now, when the whole idea of the switch to SC2 is the international fans, there's still no official English stream for Proleague. That's insane. Even when their in SC2, KeSPA ignores the SC2 scene. They have completely and 100% fucked BW up. They're fucking up in SC2 now as well. Whatever they did for Brood War in the past, the last few years have been nothing but abject incompetence on their part.

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As time goes on, it will be just even harder to catch new players. Just think about, running BW on W7 already has problems and need to find fixes to make it work.


This admittedly is a pretty huge problem. I'd say port forwarding is a bigger deal than killing explorer in task manager. A lot of people (myself included) literally can't do that.

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Now W8 is coming, another generation growing up on console games and on MMOs. Personally i would love a rise viewer numbers and just overall, player numbers, but i dont think so it will ever happen


Certainly not if you keep referring to the only potential source of new BW fans in such a demeaning get off my lawnish way.


Hm? What do you mean with the last sentence
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-24 11:02:13
July 24 2012 11:01 GMT
#495
On July 23 2012 17:18 Ribbon wrote:
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On July 23 2012 17:10 Koshi wrote:
So this means that SCII players can't play when they are in the army? I am hoping they are making a new team for the new talent.


May 16th - oGs disbands
July 13th - Zenex ceases to exist as an independent team, will merge with Startale
July 23rd - Air Force Ace announces plan to disband

The Korean scene is collapsing.

I wouldn't be surprised to see 2-3 more teams disband in the next few months,.

you forgot last year's mbc game, hwaseung oz and wemade collapses (edit: or was it in 2010? i forgot :S)
eujjjjj
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-24 11:02:20
July 24 2012 11:01 GMT
#496
I'm surprised they lasted so long. I remember they were going to close a while back but somehow it didn't happen.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
July 24 2012 11:03 GMT
#497
On July 24 2012 20:01 .vid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 17:18 Ribbon wrote:
On July 23 2012 17:10 Koshi wrote:
So this means that SCII players can't play when they are in the army? I am hoping they are making a new team for the new talent.


May 16th - oGs disbands
July 13th - Zenex ceases to exist as an independent team, will merge with Startale
July 23rd - Air Force Ace announces plan to disband

The Korean scene is collapsing.

I wouldn't be surprised to see 2-3 more teams disband in the next few months,.

you forgot last year's mbc game, hwaseung oz and wemade collapses (edit: or was it in 2010? i forgot :S)


They closed shop in 2011.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2600 Posts
July 24 2012 11:06 GMT
#498
A major irrecoverable blow to korean BW. Well, I sort of agree with their deicision - seeing as esports ain't what it used to be.
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
July 24 2012 11:10 GMT
#499
On July 23 2012 17:35 larse wrote:
The only reason people are seeing Western scene rising is because that the Western scene was like zero before LOL and SC2. There are some WC3 and CS events here and there, but that's pretty much it.

you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. quake3 was the premiere esports from 99-05 with a shitload of coverage and big cash tournaments, most famous ones being the CPL ones (basically, western OSL with better prize pool).
eujjjjj
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
July 24 2012 12:10 GMT
#500
Always been kind of a pointless team to be honest.
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