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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On July 24 2012 08:32 Taku wrote: I think this deserves a lol, so true. Also the only people I see being banned here are the ones trying to take a dump on BW  because it's the bw forum..durr? same thing happens to people dumping sc2 in the sc2 forum. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
Are we already to this stage where we're reading about entire teams disbanding?  | ||
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empty.bottle
685 Posts
On July 24 2012 07:40 Bareleon wrote: One of my fav sc2 teams disbanded, Old Generations. Its sad but oh well! Would love to see ACE play sc2. But arent they playing sc2 in the hybrid season? LOL WHO? why do these fucking retards keep posting and then whining that every thread becomes BW vs sctoo. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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empty.bottle
685 Posts
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On July 23 2012 10:48 Clefairy wrote: According to game "journalists" the Apple utopia will kill consoles, handhelds and PC gaming. apparently pc gaming has been dieing for like 15 years so sais journalists every couple years. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On July 24 2012 11:08 empty.bottle wrote: LOL WHO? why do these fucking retards keep posting and then whining that every thread becomes BW vs sctoo. User was temp banned for this post. honestly thats hardly any bait at all, it seems more the bitterness of some BW fans that ignites it more than anything nowadays (case and point would be this post) OT: sadface hopefully the progamers that are on the team can find stuff after they get out <3 FBH | ||
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Pelopidas
Canada225 Posts
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Prophanity
United States165 Posts
On July 24 2012 06:07 haitike wrote: So ignorant lol. BW in good times had more viewers and live spectators than SC2 has now globally. Only one OSL or PL final could have like 10 times more tv viewers and spectators that any MLG today. It's pretty pointless for me to try and change the minds of diehards on their forums so I won't. That world 'globally' is important though... Sc2 is global. We will see where it stands given ten or so years as bw had (bw numbers in the first two years of its existence are the same numbers you brought up or are those the numbers given time to grow...and it was one of the only games in town.) Please enjoy the rest of brood war and I'll see you on the other side. Or maybe I won't. Growth and change. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 24 2012 13:41 Kergy wrote: If anything, this looks bad for the korean SC2 scene. We already knew BW was going to die anyways, this is bad for SC2 because such an important icon of korean e-sports just doesn't see a point in making a transtition, seeing empty studios in the ODT doesn't help a lot either. KeSPA decided that, if BW had to die, they'd take SC2 down with it. There's absolutely no way the Korean SC2 scene can support CJ Entus, KT Rolster, Samsung Khan, South Korea Telecom T1, STX Soul, Woongjin Stars and KeSPA Team 8 when it was already having trouble with Prime, The SCV Life, StarTale, LG Incredible Miracle, SlayerS, New Star HoSeo, MVP, FX Open E-sports Korea, Team Liquid, and Fnatic Raidcall. 17 teams is way too many teams (And that's AFTER the collapse of oGs and Zenex). Even the ten GSL teams was too many teams, to the point where Zenex was literally posting threads on Team Liquid looking for sponsors and Prime makes most of their money by moonlighting as male models. There's no future there for a KeSPA team with 6-figure contracts to pay. Either a bunch of teams are going to disband pretty soon, or the SC2 scene will collapse under the weight in a little bit. Unless you're a BW fan into schadenfreude, there's no light at the end of this tunnel. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On July 24 2012 13:25 Prophanity wrote: It's pretty pointless for me to try and change the minds of diehards on their forums so I won't. That world 'globally' is important though... Sc2 is global. We will see where it stands given ten or so years as bw had (bw numbers in the first two years of its existence are the same numbers you brought up or are those the numbers given time to grow...and it was one of the only games in town.) Please enjoy the rest of brood war and I'll see you on the other side. Or maybe I won't. Growth and change. Yeah, sure. In ten years we shall have fanboys whining about epic sc3 vs shiny sc4. | ||
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d00p
711 Posts
On July 23 2012 10:48 Clefairy wrote: According to game "journalists" the Apple utopia will kill consoles, handhelds and PC gaming. According to them everything has killed PC gaming for like 15 years now. Yet it lives. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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Marti
552 Posts
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brolaf
291 Posts
On July 24 2012 14:14 Ribbon wrote: KeSPA decided that, if BW had to die, they'd take SC2 down with it. There's absolutely no way the Korean SC2 scene can support CJ Entus, KT Rolster, Samsung Khan, South Korea Telecom T1, STX Soul, Woongjin Stars and KeSPA Team 8 when it was already having trouble with Prime, The SCV Life, StarTale, LG Incredible Miracle, SlayerS, New Star HoSeo, MVP, FX Open E-sports Korea, Team Liquid, and Fnatic Raidcall. 17 teams is way too many teams (And that's AFTER the collapse of oGs and Zenex). Even the ten GSL teams was too many teams, to the point where Zenex was literally posting threads on Team Liquid looking for sponsors and Prime makes most of their money by moonlighting as male models. There's no future there for a KeSPA team with 6-figure contracts to pay. Either a bunch of teams are going to disband pretty soon, or the SC2 scene will collapse under the weight in a little bit. Unless you're a BW fan into schadenfreude, there's no light at the end of this tunnel. I know you keep talking about sc2 being a bubble but keep in mind - the teams generate earnings on the foreign scene mostly, through tourneys. The earning model is somewhat reversed from what is the usual case with sponsored teams: in this case the sponsorteam gets money from the earning the team generates through tourneys, rather than sponsor mother corporation giving money for the team. So while the viewership remains high, tourneys will generate earnings from themselves which will trickle down to the teams. | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
On July 24 2012 09:59 Ribbon wrote: You wouldn't be interested in professional BW somewhere else? I know the Chinese scene is really small, and the western scene is pitable, but there's still a chance to grow them into something respectable within a few years, I think. I dont think so, Sc2's release gave BW attention to those who never heard of it before, yet nothings really changed. As time goes on, it will be just even harder to catch new players. Just think about, running BW on W7 already has problems and need to find fixes to make it work. Now W8 is coming, another generation growing up on console games and on MMOs. Personally i would love a rise viewer numbers and just overall, player numbers, but i dont think so it will ever happen It is already pain in the ass to find a game on iccup with my time zone, specially since i cannot host from dorm. As for those wondering about Ace, it is said, they disband in 2014, not tomorrow. They will keep playing till they have members, just they wont accept new ones. And those saying, they cannot afford computer upgrades, on what do they practice? Thin air? They already playing the game. | ||
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haitike
Spain2719 Posts
On July 24 2012 13:25 Prophanity wrote: It's pretty pointless for me to try and change the minds of diehards on their forums so I won't. That world 'globally' is important though... Sc2 is global. We will see where it stands given ten or so years as bw had (bw numbers in the first two years of its existence are the same numbers you brought up or are those the numbers given time to grow...and it was one of the only games in town.) Please enjoy the rest of brood war and I'll see you on the other side. Or maybe I won't. Growth and change. You are too fast tagging people as diehard because someone correct you. I watch and play both games and I have seen every MLG and GSL since 2010. But you cant claim "More people watch SC2 than they ever did Brood War" like you said at first. 50.000 viewers in a stream in nothing compared with national TV channel with millions of viewers. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 24 2012 15:45 Darksoldierr wrote: I dont think so, Sc2's release gave BW attention to those who never heard of it before, yet nothings really changed. That's largely the BW's community's fault, though. Absolutely no effort was made to try to convert any of the "Oh hey SC2 is cool" people to BW fans, besides people on forums calling them names. Where was KeSPA's big outreach? The only major BW scene to ever even try to reach westerners was GOM back when Tasteless and I think SuperDanielMan were casting the GOMTV Classic in English. And KeSPA shut that one down pretty fast. Which, actually, was a pretty terrible decision in the long run. If GOM hadn't gotten into SC2, there'd be no SC2 now. I seriously do believe that if GOMTV was in the BW business and not the SC2 business, we'd be in a new Golden Age of Brood War right now. SC2 isn't big because of Blizzard, much as people like to blame them. It's big because GOM sold it to a foreign audience. Even right now, when the whole idea of the switch to SC2 is the international fans, there's still no official English stream for Proleague. That's insane. Even when their in SC2, KeSPA ignores the SC2 scene. They have completely and 100% fucked BW up. They're fucking up in SC2 now as well. Whatever they did for Brood War in the past, the last few years have been nothing but abject incompetence on their part. As time goes on, it will be just even harder to catch new players. Just think about, running BW on W7 already has problems and need to find fixes to make it work. This admittedly is a pretty huge problem. I'd say port forwarding is a bigger deal than killing explorer in task manager. A lot of people (myself included) literally can't do that. Now W8 is coming, another generation growing up on console games and on MMOs. Personally i would love a rise viewer numbers and just overall, player numbers, but i dont think so it will ever happen Certainly not if you keep referring to the only potential source of new BW fans in such a demeaning get off my lawnish way. | ||
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