I hope these showmatches turn out to be really fun
I'm bummed that Boxer isn't playing in these showmatches, but he is taking a break due to shoulder injuries so that might be understandable. It would've been cool to see YellOw in it as well, but he wouldn't be YellOw if he had won an OSL. And it's too bad that oov's wrist is too bad for him to play seriously, in addition to his military obligations.
On June 06 2012 10:20 eviltomahawk wrote: I hope these showmatches turn out to be really fun
I'm bummed that Boxer isn't playing in these showmatches, but he is taking a break due to shoulder injuries so that might be understandable. It would've been cool to see YellOw in it as well, but he wouldn't be YellOw if he had won an OSL. And it's too bad that oov's wrist is too bad for him to play seriously, in addition to his military obligations.
It also would've been cool if Kingdom and Grrr also played.
This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
He is banned from progaming. no luck there
I think he might be one of the most skilled there though, I mean he did play for quite a while and streamed as well.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
He is banned from progaming. no luck there
I think he might be one of the most skilled there though, I mean he did play for quite a while and streamed as well.
Savior to be let in cause one of them is sick, asks for repentence from the BW gods and is reborn in SC2 as "Redemtion", wins GSL OSL NASL MLG IPL and donates all the monies to young new players to make up for his past.
I hope they can put some time out of their schedule to practice, nevertheless it's still super exciting to see these people face each other again, I mean TheMarine should commentate his own game while he was playing it from FPV lol.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
He is banned from progaming. no luck there
I think he might be one of the most skilled there though, I mean he did play for quite a while and streamed as well.
Savior to be let in cause one of them is sick, asks for repentence from the BW gods and is reborn in SC2 as "Redemtion", wins GSL OSL NASL MLG IPL and donates all the monies to young new players to make up for his past.
You heard it here first.
I guess we'll see if Flash is in a forgiving mood.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
He is banned from progaming. no luck there
I think he might be one of the most skilled there though, I mean he did play for quite a while and streamed as well.
Savior to be let in cause one of them is sick, asks for repentence from the BW gods and is reborn in SC2 as "Redemtion", wins GSL OSL NASL MLG IPL and donates all the monies to young new players to make up for his past.
You heard it here first.
...right.
Should be fun showmatches, though it probably won't be much good skillwise. They should have Grrr... somewhere in there, though
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
He is banned from progaming. no luck there
I think he might be one of the most skilled there though, I mean he did play for quite a while and streamed as well.
Savior to be let in cause one of them is sick, asks for repentence from the BW gods and is reborn in SC2 as "Redemtion", wins GSL OSL NASL MLG IPL and donates all the monies to young new players to make up for his past.
You heard it here first.
...right.
Should be fun showmatches, though it probably won't be much good skillwise. They should have Grrr... somewhere in there, though
Haven't heard anything about / from him in like 10 years, wonder what he's up to.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
He is banned from progaming. no luck there
I think he might be one of the most skilled there though, I mean he did play for quite a while and streamed as well.
Savior to be let in cause one of them is sick, asks for repentence from the BW gods and is reborn in SC2 as "Redemtion", wins GSL OSL NASL MLG IPL and donates all the monies to young new players to make up for his past.
You heard it here first.
...right.
Should be fun showmatches, though it probably won't be much good skillwise. They should have Grrr... somewhere in there, though
Haven't heard anything about / from him in like 10 years, wonder what he's up to.
I have him on Facebook, he's stopped eSports and I don't think that he's gonna get back into it.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
He is banned from progaming. no luck there
I think he might be one of the most skilled there though, I mean he did play for quite a while and streamed as well.
Savior to be let in cause one of them is sick, asks for repentence from the BW gods and is reborn in SC2 as "Redemtion", wins GSL OSL NASL MLG IPL and donates all the monies to young new players to make up for his past.
You heard it here first.
...right.
Should be fun showmatches, though it probably won't be much good skillwise. They should have Grrr... somewhere in there, though
Haven't heard anything about / from him in like 10 years, wonder what he's up to.
He's busy with his investment banking career; actually played a fair bit of SC2 at launch as well.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
He is banned from progaming. no luck there
I think he might be one of the most skilled there though, I mean he did play for quite a while and streamed as well.
Savior to be let in cause one of them is sick, asks for repentence from the BW gods and is reborn in SC2 as "Redemtion", wins GSL OSL NASL MLG IPL and donates all the monies to young new players to make up for his past.
You heard it here first.
...right.
Should be fun showmatches, though it probably won't be much good skillwise. They should have Grrr... somewhere in there, though
Haven't heard anything about / from him in like 10 years, wonder what he's up to.
He became a professional poker player since he retired.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
He is banned from progaming. no luck there
I think he might be one of the most skilled there though, I mean he did play for quite a while and streamed as well.
Savior to be let in cause one of them is sick, asks for repentence from the BW gods and is reborn in SC2 as "Redemtion", wins GSL OSL NASL MLG IPL and donates all the monies to young new players to make up for his past.
You heard it here first.
...right.
Should be fun showmatches, though it probably won't be much good skillwise. They should have Grrr... somewhere in there, though
Haven't heard anything about / from him in like 10 years, wonder what he's up to.
I have him on Facebook, he's stopped eSports and I don't think that he's gonna get back into it.
On June 06 2012 10:38 RainmanMP wrote: No BoxeR vs YellOw?
I was wondering this especially because of the "intro" video for the OSL (like where's Reach, or Boxer, or Yellow?), I can understand why Boxer would be unable to however (though I'd still want him). Will they be right at the beginning of the Ro8 Schedule?
oooh, what Caihead mentioned would be super cool too
On June 06 2012 10:38 RainmanMP wrote: No BoxeR vs YellOw?
I was wondering this especially because of the "intro" video for the OSL (like where's Reach, or Boxer, or Yellow?), I can understand why Boxer would be unable to however (though I'd still want him). Will they be right at the beginning of the Ro8 Schedule?
oooh, what Caihead mentioned would be super cool too
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
i'll be completely honest here, I started following BW about 3 weeks before SC2 was released and i respected both games equally but the BW pro scene was all there was at the time. I still follow both scenes and it brings me tears of joy that i get to see some of the greatest players in action since i hit the scene so late.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
savior instead of gorush...?
-_-
Yeah, I wouldnt leave Gorush out, given his massive impact on how Zerg is played.
I was going to say that the to-be-revealed match was obviously going to be Boxer/Yellow, but Yellow never won an OSL. Could be Boxer-Yellow anyway, though.
Edit: Especially since GoRush, who never won an OSL either, is also there.
On June 06 2012 11:27 SeeKeR wrote: Are these match ups the actual match ups that were played for OSL finals?
the last two are, the first two are not. Gorush never made an osl final at all. Kind of a weird pick, but maybe not enough zergs to pick from? Would have to go pretty far back to get one I guess.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
savior instead of gorush...?
-_-
Yeah, I wouldnt leave Gorush out, given his massive impact on how Zerg is played.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
savior instead of gorush...?
-_-
Yeah, I wouldnt leave Gorush out, given his massive impact on how Zerg is played.
And of all choices, savior? ._.
the dude will never ever ever be in an OGN or KeSPA sanctioned event ever again for the rest of his life.
you really didn't think gamegene thought gorush was a better player than savior, did you?
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
He is banned from progaming. no luck there
I think he might be one of the most skilled there though, I mean he did play for quite a while and streamed as well.
Savior to be let in cause one of them is sick, asks for repentence from the BW gods and is reborn in SC2 as "Redemtion", wins GSL OSL NASL MLG IPL and donates all the monies to young new players to make up for his past.
You heard it here first.
...right.
Should be fun showmatches, though it probably won't be much good skillwise. They should have Grrr... somewhere in there, though
He did play in that one showmatch not too long ago, although the tournament escapes me...
On June 06 2012 11:31 Ribbon wrote: That's pretty awesome.
I was going to say that the to-be-revealed match was obviously going to be Boxer/Yellow, but Yellow never won an OSL. Could be Boxer-Yellow anyway, though.
Edit: Especially since GoRush, who never won an OSL either, is also there.
BoxeR can't play due to his shoulder. He forfeited all his SC2 games already. Not sure which arm hurts, so he may still be able to bunker rush yellow using the mouse only.
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
XellOs is a great pick, he was and still is awesome.
This makes me worry about Boxers shoulder. He stopped playing like 2 months ago and still isn't able to play in this kind of showmatch? Sounds really bad. ._.
Man, even though I barely know anything about BW, I would have loved to see oov play.
I also asked Kimbilly on followup because I didn't see it confirmed in the article and he thinks the matches will be in BW.
I feel like the ones who retired last will win pretty easily, so gorush, reach and anytime, with nal_ra as the exception. I mean it's Kang Min! He would beat any non-progamer on just his raw talent. I'm looking forward to the first 2 games the most. I can't see Nada or July finding reasons to devote enough time to have a shot at winning, and gorush vs themarine is a commentator grudge match, so they will probably take this quite seriously.
Man I hope someone records the broadcast I only started following brood war recently after discovering pro SC2 it will be great to see the legends of old duke it out
On June 06 2012 10:36 nicoc77 wrote: This is going to be epic! Nice for the good old times... I wish they can get BoxeR and Oov instead of XellOs and TheMarine, also sAviOr instead of GoRush.
Wish savior would come back to play some games too... QQ BoxeR has his injury and Oov his service. damn sad
I really hope it isn't Boxer vs Yellow. Putting myself in Yellow's place, all the crap that people give him (this thread has plenty) I don't see any incentive for him to play yet again, especially after the embarrassment that Boxer gave to him in the SC2 showmatch. If he wins, he won a meaningless game/series against his old rival that no one will ever care about. He loses yet again, he's the butt of the same, tired ass joke he has been for far too many years.
As GTR said, Bisu v Jaedong would be a fun series with both guys still in relatively good BW shape. A fitting series.
I also asked Kimbilly on followup because I didn't see it confirmed in the article and he thinks the matches will be in BW.
I feel like the ones who retired last will win pretty easily, so gorush, reach and anytime, with nal_ra as the exception. I mean it's Kang Min! He would beat any non-progamer on just his raw talent. I'm looking forward to the first 2 games the most. I can't see Nada or July finding reasons to devote enough time to have a shot at winning, and gorush vs themarine is a commentator grudge match, so they will probably take this quite seriously.
reach? ahahaha
July may have retired first, but his last zvp win is one year more recent than Reach's last pvz win. July will dismantle Reach with his timeless zvp awesomeness.
On June 06 2012 13:35 NicksonReyes wrote: How fitting would it be if the match before the finals is Boxer vs Yellow and the finals is actually Flash vs Jaedong. :'( Dong why?
I'm pretty sure Leta is Boxer's successor. He's all about the cute micro. I have no idea which Zerg could be considered Yellow's successor though.
I was expecting something like that!! Yay, at least some good news. As to this:
On June 06 2012 11:01 supernovamaniac wrote: Also, one other match before finals. They will reveal that match-up on the stage of finals.
I bet my life and my neighbor's dog that it's gonna be Boxer vs Yellow.
Was just thinking about the current OSL video clip - it's the competing progamers + Boxer, Yellow and Reach. That and the news about BW OSL ending led me to believe we may see some ceremonies with past OSL legends involved and showmatches etc.
On June 06 2012 13:35 NicksonReyes wrote: How fitting would it be if the match before the finals is Boxer vs Yellow and the finals is actually Flash vs Jaedong. :'( Dong why?
I'm pretty sure Leta is Boxer's successor. He's all about the cute micro. I have no idea which Zerg could be considered Yellow's successor though.
Fantasy = Iloveoov and Flash = Nada.
in no way is fantasy a macro monster cheater terran
Awww yeeessss Cant wait! But it looks obvious that last one will be Boxer vs Yellow. Those two legends arent playing beforehand ,and I'm pretty sure OGN didnt forget about them lol. Unless they think FvJ is the next legend?
On June 06 2012 15:22 eviltomahawk wrote: They should host these showmatches on old maps instead of on the current SPL/OSL maps. That would be quite refreshing.
Would be fun to see them playing on the likes of U-Boat and Rush Hour again.
On June 06 2012 15:22 eviltomahawk wrote: They should host these showmatches on old maps instead of on the current SPL/OSL maps. That would be quite refreshing.
Would be fun to see them playing on the likes of U-Boat and Rush Hour again.
Nice of them. I don't expect that much in terms of games though, except some crazy stuff from Nal_rA and NaDa getting awfully stomped. I like BoxeR and YellOw, but maybe Jaedong vs Bisu would be better indeed.
OMG, Sick sick news. GoRush, July, Nal_Ra, NaDa? I literally cannot wait for this event. I wish they would ask oov to play as well, I never got the chance to see him play live
Also, I fully support the idea to bring back the old maps, it'd be sad if they had to play on Ground Zero and Gladiator.
wow nada and july going back to play bw will be interesting but... NAL_RAAAAA omg, I can't wait to see him play, it was so sad when he had to go off to do military service but can't wait to see him again!
I'd be disappointed if the surprise match before the finals is anything but Boxer vs Yellow. (or maybe a Flash vs Jaedong if Flash doesn't make the finals.)
On June 06 2012 15:22 eviltomahawk wrote: They should host these showmatches on old maps instead of on the current SPL/OSL maps. That would be quite refreshing.
On June 06 2012 15:22 eviltomahawk wrote: They should host these showmatches on old maps instead of on the current SPL/OSL maps. That would be quite refreshing.
On June 06 2012 15:22 eviltomahawk wrote: They should host these showmatches on old maps instead of on the current SPL/OSL maps. That would be quite refreshing.
Go Go Terrible 2000 maps and Boxer 1 basing.
no man it would be something like
neo forte/Intothedarkness requiem RoTK Arkanoid
Paranoid android should be included also . Silent control v Xellos ...
On June 06 2012 15:22 eviltomahawk wrote: They should host these showmatches on old maps instead of on the current SPL/OSL maps. That would be quite refreshing.
Go Go Terrible 2000 maps and Boxer 1 basing.
no man it would be something like
neo forte/Intothedarkness requiem RoTK Arkanoid
Paranoid android should be included also . Silent control v Xellos ...
Meanwhile at the Supreme Panel of Brood War Deliverance:
Stork: "So gentleman, a decision has fallen before us; Shall we forgive SAviOr for his treachery and allow him to play once again? " Jaedong: "'Tis quite the quandary." Fantasy: "Indeed" Bisu: "I fear we have no other choice, we must consult the Grand Inquisitor!"
Curtains unfold to reveal Flash upon his throne in intricate attire
Flash: "FOR SHAME! STRENGTHEN THE SHACKLES! THE MAESTRO MUST NEVER RETURN!"
On June 06 2012 22:45 Cink wrote: Meanwhile at the Supreme Panel of Brood War Deliverance:
Stork: "So gentleman, a decision has fallen before us; Shall we forgive SAviOr for his treachery and allow him to play once again? " Jaedong: "'Tis quite the quandary." Fantasy: "Indeed" Bisu: "I fear we have no other choice, we must consult the Grand Inquisitor!"
Curtains unfold to reveal Flash upon his throne in intricate attire
Flash: "FOR SHAME! STRENGTHEN THE SHACKLES! THE MAESTRO MUST NEVER RETURN!"
On June 06 2012 22:45 Cink wrote: Meanwhile at the Supreme Panel of Brood War Deliverance:
Stork: "So gentleman, a decision has fallen before us; Shall we forgive SAviOr for his treachery and allow him to play once again? " Jaedong: "'Tis quite the quandary." Fantasy: "Indeed" Bisu: "I fear we have no other choice, we must consult the Grand Inquisitor!"
Curtains unfold to reveal Flash upon his throne in intricate attire
Flash: "FOR SHAME! STRENGTHEN THE SHACKLES! THE MAESTRO MUST NEVER RETURN!"
Isn't Nal_Ra out of his military service soon? Would be cool to see new episodes of Old Boy with him trying to qualify for the new OSL. Will be good to see how thew Army treated.
On June 06 2012 22:45 Cink wrote: Meanwhile at the Supreme Panel of Brood War Deliverance:
Stork: "So gentleman, a decision has fallen before us; Shall we forgive SAviOr for his treachery and allow him to play once again? " Jaedong: "'Tis quite the quandary." Fantasy: "Indeed" Bisu: "I fear we have no other choice, we must consult the Grand Inquisitor!"
Curtains unfold to reveal Flash upon his throne in intricate attire
Flash: "FOR SHAME! STRENGTHEN THE SHACKLES! THE MAESTRO MUST NEVER RETURN!"
I'd like to imagine it went like this.
I can actually see this happening....
Hah but seriously KANGMIN<3<3<3<3<3
If only you could see what I see. Stork wields a scepter of lightning, Fantasy has an eye-patch and a turban-wearing turkey-vulture is perched upon his shoulder, Bisu has two personal body guards dressed as dark templar, and Jaedong is a schizophrenic man in a mutalisk costume ever fearful of Soulkey and Zer0 who lurk in the shadows scheming to take his spot on the panel. Fantasy often plots with his vulture to steal Flash's crown which prominently displays his golden mouse and badge. His efforts are continually thwarted, however, by Nada, July, and oov, the keepers of the golden throne.
On June 06 2012 10:18 Holgerius wrote: The games will probably be really awful though. XD
And since when have they been good these days? We are dabbling in a sea of pretty dull games, go look through current BW threads, 10-20 pages long. When last year we had furious PL battles and hot discussions. At least we have this, famed veterans to deliver some unorthodox builds, with nukes and other embarrassing things.
whenever i see these old names, i have a impulse to watch this highlight..
this is probably the best bw highlight i have ever seen. please dont mind the video quality, if u are a bw fan u'll definitely know what is happening and why bw is so amazing.. enjoy.
you know what would be great? if OGN is able to invite all the previous champions plus other legendary players for a ceremony before the finals with interviews and a final hype video...
also, just a small correction, TheMarine never won the OSL so it wouldn't be correct to list him as a former champion.
On June 06 2012 13:35 NicksonReyes wrote: How fitting would it be if the match before the finals is Boxer vs Yellow and the finals is actually Flash vs Jaedong. :'( Dong why?
I'm pretty sure Leta is Boxer's successor. He's all about the cute micro. I have no idea which Zerg could be considered Yellow's successor though.
Fantasy = Iloveoov and Flash = Nada.
in no way is fantasy a macro monster cheater terran
Absolutely right, I accidentally inverted them. Flash is the one who kept going for blind 14CCs in '08, and Fantasy is the guy with the Vultures. Sorry about that, I'll edit it out.
So happy they are doing this These are going to be amazing, I hope they prepare some awesome strategies. Is there any info on what they're competing for? Or is it just pride lol. Can't wait to see ducktoss / tissuetoss. Or any of the other matches for that matter.
On June 06 2012 10:18 Holgerius wrote: The games will probably be really awful though. XD
And since when have they been good these days? We are dabbling in a sea of pretty dull games, go look through current BW threads, 10-20 pages long. When last year we had furious PL battles and hot discussions. At least we have this, famed veterans to deliver some unorthodox builds, with nukes and other embarrassing things.
My alltime favorite zerg (July) vs my alltime favorite protoss (Reach) + My alltime favorite terran (NaDa) vs my fourth favorite player of alltime after these 3 (Anytime)
Would be fun if Flash would also play to round up all my top 5 alltime favorite players playing, but I guess the last match is Boxer vs Yellow.
Still pretty damn awesome!
A worthy finish to the BW proscene
The only thing that can top this is probably Flash becoming the only player to win 4 titles in the same individual, by winning the current OSL.
On June 08 2012 00:47 Emon_ wrote: Jaedong, Bisu & Stork deserve some recognition as well. The last SPL grand finals should be amazing as well (:
The last SPL finals has already been played imo... Why would you consider BW/SC2 hybrid SPL the last finals, if you're of the opinion that it is real SPL you shouldn't think it is ending at all since the season will go on, just with pure SC2 most likely. Not to be negative, I just think it's weird to consider this a BW SPL. It exists in and of itself as whatever it is.
On June 08 2012 01:25 StorkHwaiting wrote: Lol so obvious that the last match is Boxer vs Yellow. Why do they even bother trying to pretend its a mystery?
No, it's going to be Bunkie vs Flashscot.
In seriousness tho, that might be the ideal match but it would depend on their availability too. There are a number of really important names that aren't up there yet. Kingdom vs Oov wouldn't be altogether impossible. Grrrr... vs Elky would be hilarious.
On June 08 2012 01:25 StorkHwaiting wrote: Lol so obvious that the last match is Boxer vs Yellow. Why do they even bother trying to pretend its a mystery?
No, it's going to be Bunkie vs Flashscot.
In seriousness tho, that might be the ideal match but it would depend on their availability too. There are a number of really important names that aren't up there yet. Kingdom vs Oov wouldn't be altogether impossible. Grrrr... vs Elky would be hilarious.
hahahahahahaha indeed
If Boxer is really not fit to play/really out of practice I really hope they don't get him to bunker rush Yellow once again
Yes this is marvelous! I hope they have been practicing the past few months so at least we have great games and not nooblike games. I feel bad for Boxer though.
But with Kespa now jumping ship as well, is Boxer now forgiven?
On June 06 2012 11:01 supernovamaniac wrote: Also, one other match before finals. They will reveal that match-up on the stage of finals.
So will that match be Boxer vs. Yellow or maybe Boxer vs. Yellow? I'm unsure.
Well, Boxer IS injured, so it's hard to say. But I imagine Yellow wants some revenge, and wants a final confrontation that's not "LOL we're playing SC2 and you're literally in gold league!". I'd like to think he's secretly practicing BW for the last few weeks, even if only casually.
On June 06 2012 11:01 supernovamaniac wrote: Also, one other match before finals. They will reveal that match-up on the stage of finals.
So will that match be Boxer vs. Yellow or maybe Boxer vs. Yellow? I'm unsure.
Most likely. "Although the list has not been made public, it's true that the two greatest legends in esports will take part in the legends match that takes place before the finals." (OGN, via DES)
this is awesome... sure the games won't be super high level, but watching TheMarine, Nal_rA, XellOs, etc, for the last time, will bring back some of the good old memories of my early days of starcraft.
i really hope they will use Lost Temple in this games.
On June 06 2012 11:01 supernovamaniac wrote: Also, one other match before finals. They will reveal that match-up on the stage of finals.
So will that match be Boxer vs. Yellow or maybe Boxer vs. Yellow? I'm unsure.
Well, Boxer IS injured, so it's hard to say. But I imagine Yellow wants some revenge, and wants a final confrontation that's not "LOL we're playing SC2 and you're literally in gold league!". I'd like to think he's secretly practicing BW for the last few weeks, even if only casually.
On June 12 2012 05:18 neobowman wrote: I bet it's going to be Jaedong vs. Flash for the final match.
i wish but no way they'd let flash play when he has to play games anyway. i really cant think of anyone left besides boxer though
IntoTheRainbow? Casy? Chojja? You don't have to go too far back to see there are lot of players worthy of a legends match. However, it is likely to be Boxer and Yellow no doubt about it. Hard to think of any two players who epitomize legendary BW more than those two. They were more or less the original legends and even 10 years later everyone knows about them. It would really be a shame if Boxer's medical issues prevented him from showing.
On June 12 2012 08:15 Xiphos wrote: Its going to be Bisu vs Jaedong The handsomest showdown ever!
Sadly, only one of them is OSL champion .
Well, Gorush and TheMarine never played in an OSL final (that I could see). So maybe Bisu Jaedong could happen. Wouldn't be as epic as Boxer Yellow though.
Oh, what an awesome news, most of this players were playing when i was begining broodwar and in the computer clubs where all children/teens used to hang, i was only hearing legends about boxer, nal_ra and nada and hardly watched any replays when bigger dudes showed to me, aah that was amazing times.
I love broodwar and i love community for we can share such great emotions!
i hope the secret special match is Kimcarrier vs Idra
although if you were gonna have Gorush and TheMarine they should have had Kingdom, H.O.T forever (i still dont know what this name means), Garimto playing or something.
On June 20 2012 04:55 Akinokaze wrote: This might be NaDa's last televised game of Starcraft ever...
This is the last televised game of StarCraft for most of them and last chance for us to see such great players in the booth, playing the game we love for the last time ;/
Without savior vs bisu, these legend matches don't feel complete... there must be bad legends as well, and with broodwar coming to rest anyway (what a shame) we can as well have savior play another game of history!
Reach vs July did not disappoint too much. We got to see the manliness in FULLPOWER mode, and the hero capes and the red wig. Also woot woot for LimJinRok in the finals!
On June 26 2012 22:06 supernovamaniac wrote: Boxer vs YellOw at the finals. Yes, this seems official. I've heard this from one of the OGN officials today.
I almost got a seizure when I tuned in to the stream today and saw Reach vs July. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those two in OSL RO8 again, unfortunately reality soon hit me as the banner appeared saying "Legends Match".
Hopefully for the finals KeSPA has mercy and invites sAviOr. I think my life would be complete at that point.
To wrap it up, Reach is still manly, hope he attempts a comeback in SC2.
On June 27 2012 02:27 .vid wrote: I almost got a seizure when I tuned in to the stream today and saw Reach vs July. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those two in OSL RO8 again, unfortunately reality soon hit me as the banner appeared saying "Legends Match".
Hopefully for the finals KeSPA has mercy and invites sAviOr. I think my life would be complete at that point.
To wrap it up, Reach is still manly, hope he attempts a comeback in SC2.
Savior won't be invited since hes banned and Reach won't make a comeback on Sc2 because he started a team/or is a coach on LoL or something like that I believe.
Can someone link me to the VODs of the previous 2 legend matches? My browser crashes every time i try to access the small vod thread for some reason,,, Thanks
On June 27 2012 05:49 Skeggaba wrote: Can someone link me to the VODs of the previous 2 legend matches? My browser crashes every time i try to access the small vod thread for some reason,,, Thanks
On June 27 2012 02:27 .vid wrote: I almost got a seizure when I tuned in to the stream today and saw Reach vs July. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those two in OSL RO8 again, unfortunately reality soon hit me as the banner appeared saying "Legends Match".
Hopefully for the finals KeSPA has mercy and invites sAviOr. I think my life would be complete at that point.
To wrap it up, Reach is still manly, hope he attempts a comeback in SC2.
Savior won't be invited since hes banned and Reach won't make a comeback on Sc2 because he started a team/or is a coach on LoL or something like that I believe.
I know for savior, but kespa might as well unban him for this, it's the last bw event anyway.
On June 27 2012 02:27 .vid wrote: I almost got a seizure when I tuned in to the stream today and saw Reach vs July. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those two in OSL RO8 again, unfortunately reality soon hit me as the banner appeared saying "Legends Match".
Hopefully for the finals KeSPA has mercy and invites sAviOr. I think my life would be complete at that point.
To wrap it up, Reach is still manly, hope he attempts a comeback in SC2.
Savior won't be invited since hes banned and Reach won't make a comeback on Sc2 because he started a team/or is a coach on LoL or something like that I believe.
I know for savior, but kespa might as well unban him for this, it's the last bw event anyway.
On June 27 2012 02:27 .vid wrote: I almost got a seizure when I tuned in to the stream today and saw Reach vs July. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those two in OSL RO8 again, unfortunately reality soon hit me as the banner appeared saying "Legends Match".
Hopefully for the finals KeSPA has mercy and invites sAviOr. I think my life would be complete at that point.
To wrap it up, Reach is still manly, hope he attempts a comeback in SC2.
Savior won't be invited since hes banned and Reach won't make a comeback on Sc2 because he started a team/or is a coach on LoL or something like that I believe.
I know for savior, but kespa might as well unban him for this, it's the last bw event anyway.
and source on reach pls, saddens me to read that
"Might as well"? Really?
it's like letting a convicted child killer to work in child care again.
On June 27 2012 02:27 .vid wrote: I almost got a seizure when I tuned in to the stream today and saw Reach vs July. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those two in OSL RO8 again, unfortunately reality soon hit me as the banner appeared saying "Legends Match".
Hopefully for the finals KeSPA has mercy and invites sAviOr. I think my life would be complete at that point.
To wrap it up, Reach is still manly, hope he attempts a comeback in SC2.
Savior won't be invited since hes banned and Reach won't make a comeback on Sc2 because he started a team/or is a coach on LoL or something like that I believe.
I know for savior, but kespa might as well unban him for this, it's the last bw event anyway.
and source on reach pls, saddens me to read that
"Might as well"? Really?
it's like letting a convicted child killer to work in child care again.
"but i saw this suuuupeeer awesome article on TL about SavioUr, he MUST be the BEST starcraft player, it would be so awesome to see him playing SC2, forgive him , its already half a year since i read that article and im bored, who cares what he did in BW !"
On June 27 2012 05:49 Skeggaba wrote: Can someone link me to the VODs of the previous 2 legend matches? My browser crashes every time i try to access the small vod thread for some reason,,, Thanks
i really think he would kick ass and teams would take him... that is so bullshitting around regarding match fixing... let him play... i think he got his punishment
On June 28 2012 05:40 Smileforyouandme wrote: i really think he would kick ass and teams would take him... that is so bullshitting around regarding match fixing... let him play... i think he got his punishment
take it from one of the biggest fanboys. no. he should never be allowed to win priz emoney or earn salary from starcraft. if he wants to switch to LoL and join a team, i have no problem with that (kespa does obviously) but starcraft he's done. He (along with his contact for the betting sites) brought down korean BW.he should never play starcraft for money again. and i love his play to death and still watch his vods. but no.
On June 27 2012 02:27 .vid wrote: I almost got a seizure when I tuned in to the stream today and saw Reach vs July. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those two in OSL RO8 again, unfortunately reality soon hit me as the banner appeared saying "Legends Match".
Hopefully for the finals KeSPA has mercy and invites sAviOr. I think my life would be complete at that point.
To wrap it up, Reach is still manly, hope he attempts a comeback in SC2.
Savior won't be invited since hes banned and Reach won't make a comeback on Sc2 because he started a team/or is a coach on LoL or something like that I believe.
I know for savior, but kespa might as well unban him for this, it's the last bw event anyway.
and source on reach pls, saddens me to read that
i am sure kespa is very anxious to bring back the person most directly responsible for destroying their entire sport for the sake of nostalgia, good times you know
On June 27 2012 02:27 .vid wrote: I almost got a seizure when I tuned in to the stream today and saw Reach vs July. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those two in OSL RO8 again, unfortunately reality soon hit me as the banner appeared saying "Legends Match".
Hopefully for the finals KeSPA has mercy and invites sAviOr. I think my life would be complete at that point.
To wrap it up, Reach is still manly, hope he attempts a comeback in SC2.
Savior won't be invited since hes banned and Reach won't make a comeback on Sc2 because he started a team/or is a coach on LoL or something like that I believe.
I know for savior, but kespa might as well unban him for this, it's the last bw event anyway.
and source on reach pls, saddens me to read that
i am sure kespa is very anxious to bring back the person most directly responsible for destroying their entire sport for the sake of nostalgia, good times you know
Man as a celebratory gesture to our newly reformed republic, let's bring that Palpatine guy back, he sure was good at being a senator back in the day!
On June 27 2012 02:27 .vid wrote: I almost got a seizure when I tuned in to the stream today and saw Reach vs July. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those two in OSL RO8 again, unfortunately reality soon hit me as the banner appeared saying "Legends Match".
Hopefully for the finals KeSPA has mercy and invites sAviOr. I think my life would be complete at that point.
To wrap it up, Reach is still manly, hope he attempts a comeback in SC2.
Savior won't be invited since hes banned and Reach won't make a comeback on Sc2 because he started a team/or is a coach on LoL or something like that I believe.
I know for savior, but kespa might as well unban him for this, it's the last bw event anyway.
and source on reach pls, saddens me to read that
i am sure kespa is very anxious to bring back the person most directly responsible for destroying their entire sport for the sake of nostalgia, good times you know
Woo boy, sure am glad we won that big war with England. I wonder if Benedict Arnold is available for the victory parade, he looked DASHING in that two-piece. It's not like we're fighting england anymore so it's cool
On June 27 2012 02:27 .vid wrote: I almost got a seizure when I tuned in to the stream today and saw Reach vs July. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those two in OSL RO8 again, unfortunately reality soon hit me as the banner appeared saying "Legends Match".
Hopefully for the finals KeSPA has mercy and invites sAviOr. I think my life would be complete at that point.
To wrap it up, Reach is still manly, hope he attempts a comeback in SC2.
Savior won't be invited since hes banned and Reach won't make a comeback on Sc2 because he started a team/or is a coach on LoL or something like that I believe.
I know for savior, but kespa might as well unban him for this, it's the last bw event anyway.
and source on reach pls, saddens me to read that
i am sure kespa is very anxious to bring back the person most directly responsible for destroying their entire sport for the sake of nostalgia, good times you know
Whoa nelly I sure am going to miss having both my children; still, I'd like to have old Mr. Harfield come speak at their funeral if they're willing to let him out of prison since he WAS their favorite babysitter right up until the murder
On June 27 2012 02:27 .vid wrote: I almost got a seizure when I tuned in to the stream today and saw Reach vs July. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those two in OSL RO8 again, unfortunately reality soon hit me as the banner appeared saying "Legends Match".
Hopefully for the finals KeSPA has mercy and invites sAviOr. I think my life would be complete at that point.
To wrap it up, Reach is still manly, hope he attempts a comeback in SC2.
Savior won't be invited since hes banned and Reach won't make a comeback on Sc2 because he started a team/or is a coach on LoL or something like that I believe.
I know for savior, but kespa might as well unban him for this, it's the last bw event anyway.
and source on reach pls, saddens me to read that
i am sure kespa is very anxious to bring back the person most directly responsible for destroying their entire sport for the sake of nostalgia, good times you know
PHEW now that Jim burned down our entire office building and me and all my coworkers are out of a job and basically unhireable since we have no other skills I really do hope he can show up and deliver the final speech at the office party and get the big bonus check and all the press because he really was great at sales
On June 27 2012 02:27 .vid wrote: I almost got a seizure when I tuned in to the stream today and saw Reach vs July. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those two in OSL RO8 again, unfortunately reality soon hit me as the banner appeared saying "Legends Match".
Hopefully for the finals KeSPA has mercy and invites sAviOr. I think my life would be complete at that point.
To wrap it up, Reach is still manly, hope he attempts a comeback in SC2.
Savior won't be invited since hes banned and Reach won't make a comeback on Sc2 because he started a team/or is a coach on LoL or something like that I believe.
I know for savior, but kespa might as well unban him for this, it's the last bw event anyway.
and source on reach pls, saddens me to read that
"Might as well"? Really?
it's like letting a convicted child killer to work in child care again.
might as well, those kids are going to grow up anyway
On June 27 2012 23:14 bgx wrote: "but i saw this suuuupeeer awesome article on TL about SavioUr, he MUST be the BEST starcraft player, it would be so awesome to see him playing SC2, forgive him , its already half a year since i read that article and im bored, who cares what he did in BW !"
Actually I watched savior play live (on live streams, that is), along with korean brood war back before you even heard of starcraft probably, but I guess your sole task on this forum is to be a complete idiot and write bullshit like this.
as far as the "he destroyed bw" posts, no he didn't, brood war didn't die or start dying because of match fixing, only thing that happened cause of this is that a legend got demonized in an instant. you don't see football being destroyed by far worse things than match fixing (racism, etc).
and yes, you can write what you want, i still want to see savior play again, even if it's a showmatch. and no, i didn't say i want savior in sc2, you made it up, savior in sc2 would just be a waste of talent.
edit: why does on mention of savior's name everything have to turn into a shit fest? don't you people have better things to do then slam others for their personal preference?
On June 27 2012 23:14 bgx wrote: "but i saw this suuuupeeer awesome article on TL about SavioUr, he MUST be the BEST starcraft player, it would be so awesome to see him playing SC2, forgive him , its already half a year since i read that article and im bored, who cares what he did in BW !"
Actually I watched savior play live (on live streams, that is), along with korean brood war back before you even heard of starcraft probably, but I guess your sole task on this forum is to be a complete idiot and write bullshit like this.
as far as the "he destroyed bw" posts, no he didn't, brood war didn't die or start dying because of match fixing, only thing that happened cause of this is that a legend got demonized in an instant. you don't see football being destroyed by far worse things than match fixing (racism, etc).
and yes, you can write what you want, i still want to see savior play again, even if it's a showmatch. and no, i didn't say i want savior in sc2, you made it up, savior in sc2 would just be a waste of talent.
Then go to afreeca and start paying him with balloons and support his cause, while believing what you want.
No need to argue over a silly argument where you think other people are "making up" stories of the connection between "fall of BW" and one "legend".
edit: why does on mention of savior's name everything have to turn into a shit fest? don't you people have better things to do then slam others for their personal preference?
If you actually loved the whole scene instead of a single player, you might understand why this is happening.
I had fun writing that post and had thoughts of editing it out but eventually i forgot to do so. You were not one of people my stupid post wanted to depict, fine. Grats, but saying "might aswell unban him" was not much smarter either on your part.
Personally i dont mind seeing him play starcraft, BUT i would never advocate of letting him into the booth, cause of grievance it would cause, and that would be justified grievance. Not to mention this event is called Legends Matches, which happens to be the crowning touch to Brood War legacy, you simply can't have Savior there. Simple.
My post was meant to describe a stupid "evil fruit bandwagon" that spawned after sc2 injection. Where SC2 fans wanted to things happen just to fill their momentary curiosity after they heard that "Someone REALLY good" was sentenced for match fixing, completely ignoring the way Korean esports work and completely ignoring thousands of people who could be affected.
As SNM said, fan selfishness (of seeing Savior play) can still be fullfilled by simply going to his stream. I dont mind that, its up to people what they want. But there is a border of what i want and what starts to cause a harm.
He cheated in a game, yes it's about money and I see the big issue. But I just want to tell, there have been doctors who has molested kids and such and they still get their licences back, if not in their country, in others...
its simple. people need blame one thing and ignore the real problem. is like italy. berlusconi was the real problem. sure.. yes. There are many reason to bw become less popular but the simple answer is savior the destroyer -_-
On June 28 2012 23:01 Slakkoo wrote: He cheated in a game, yes it's about money and I see the big issue. But I just want to tell, there have been doctors who has molested kids and such and they still get their licences back, if not in their country, in others...
Slakkoo, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
On June 28 2012 23:01 Slakkoo wrote: He cheated in a game, yes it's about money and I see the big issue. But I just want to tell, there have been doctors who has molested kids and such and they still get their licences back, if not in their country, in others...
Slakkoo, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
It was a post with a point, though poorly worded. It seems your rambling mind is too set on putting him down to score 'forum points' amongst fellow posters to understand what it was he was trying to say. Your post had considerably less substance than his. Think about that.
On June 28 2012 23:01 Slakkoo wrote: He cheated in a game, yes it's about money and I see the big issue. But I just want to tell, there have been doctors who has molested kids and such and they still get their licences back, if not in their country, in others...
Slakkoo, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
It was a post with a point, though poorly worded. It seems your rambling mind is too set on putting him down to score 'forum points' amongst fellow posters to understand what it was he was trying to say. Your post had considerably less substance than his. Think about that.
On June 29 2012 01:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: its simple. people need blame one thing and ignore the real problem. is like italy. berlusconi was the real problem. sure.. yes. There are many reason to bw become less popular but the simple answer is savior the destroyer -_-
Are you still going at it? Cause last time when you tried to prove your point, you went as far as "ok u mad cuz savior give free win to bisu in the msl final fake win bro so sad :D" -> "bisu fan?"
Then what is the "real problem" here? The one that everyone, even including the Korean fans, are ignoring at this moment?
On June 28 2012 23:01 Slakkoo wrote: He cheated in a game, yes it's about money and I see the big issue. But I just want to tell, there have been doctors who has molested kids and such and they still get their licences back, if not in their country, in others...
Slakkoo, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
It was a post with a point, though poorly worded. It seems your rambling mind is too set on putting him down to score 'forum points' amongst fellow posters to understand what it was he was trying to say. Your post had considerably less substance than his. Think about that.
Ignoring the youtube video, there is obviously a big problem with his argument. Making comparisons like this is good food for thought sometimes, but it is not a way to prove a position. One, because doctors and progamers are not the same (for instance, there is a much bigger PR concern for media), Two, because most people upon hearing that doctors who molest their kids sometimes get their licenses back would not thing 'oh well that's reasonable,' they would actually be a little shocked.
I'm not a person who thinks Savior is the son of Satan, but it's very clear that a league, especially a fragile league, cannot have their name knowingly accepting a cheater. Crucifying Savior was the only way to mitigate the damage his actions caused. However, as intelligent individuals more knowledgeable about the scene and less susceptible to uninformed opinion, we can say that there is more to savior and more to the collapse of the scene than the sensational headlines that mar public perception of all things. Not to say that a lot of people didn't take it as a personal insult and tragedy that they cheered for Savior for a year of slumping only to find out the person they'd given their hearts to was going to be the posterboy of the scandal. That messes with internal consistency and a lot of people resort to just going to complete opposite direction and hating him. But again, I find it a pathetic perspective. Dehumanizing and scapegoating a person because it is the simplest way to escape your own feelings.
On June 28 2012 23:01 Slakkoo wrote: He cheated in a game, yes it's about money and I see the big issue. But I just want to tell, there have been doctors who has molested kids and such and they still get their licences back, if not in their country, in others...
Slakkoo, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
It was a post with a point, though poorly worded. It seems your rambling mind is too set on putting him down to score 'forum points' amongst fellow posters to understand what it was he was trying to say. Your post had considerably less substance than his. Think about that.
Ignoring the youtube video, there is obviously a big problem with his argument. Making comparisons like this is good food for thought sometimes, but it is not a way to prove a position. One, because doctors and progamers are not the same (for instance, there is a much bigger PR concern for media), Two, because most people upon hearing that doctors who molest their kids sometimes get their licenses back would not thing 'oh well that's reasonable,' they would actually be a little shocked.
I'm not a person who thinks Savior is the son of Satan, but it's very clear that a league, especially a fragile league, cannot have their name knowingly accepting a cheater. Crucifying Savior was the only way to mitigate the damage his actions caused. However, as intelligent individuals more knowledgeable about the scene and less susceptible to uninformed opinion, we can say that there is more to savior and more to the collapse of the scene than the sensational headlines that mar public perception of all things. Not to say that a lot of people didn't take it as a personal insult and tragedy that they cheered for Savior for a year of slumping only to find out the person they'd given their hearts to was going to be the posterboy of the scandal. That messes with internal consistency and a lot of people resort to just going to complete opposite direction and hating him. But again, I find it a pathetic perspective. Dehumanizing and scapegoating a person because it is the simplest way to escape your own feelings.
Nicely put man, I couldn't have said it better myself.
and @Slakoo, that's a good point. Even convicted killers go to jail to rehabilitate and they try to make them fit in the society when they are done serving their sentence.
On June 28 2012 23:01 Slakkoo wrote: He cheated in a game, yes it's about money and I see the big issue. But I just want to tell, there have been doctors who has molested kids and such and they still get their licences back, if not in their country, in others...
Slakkoo, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
It was a post with a point, though poorly worded. It seems your rambling mind is too set on putting him down to score 'forum points' amongst fellow posters to understand what it was he was trying to say. Your post had considerably less substance than his. Think about that.
Ignoring the youtube video, there is obviously a big problem with his argument. Making comparisons like this is good food for thought sometimes, but it is not a way to prove a position. One, because doctors and progamers are not the same (for instance, there is a much bigger PR concern for media), Two, because most people upon hearing that doctors who molest their kids sometimes get their licenses back would not thing 'oh well that's reasonable,' they would actually be a little shocked.
I'm not a person who thinks Savior is the son of Satan, but it's very clear that a league, especially a fragile league, cannot have their name knowingly accepting a cheater. Crucifying Savior was the only way to mitigate the damage his actions caused. However, as intelligent individuals more knowledgeable about the scene and less susceptible to uninformed opinion, we can say that there is more to savior and more to the collapse of the scene than the sensational headlines that mar public perception of all things. Not to say that a lot of people didn't take it as a personal insult and tragedy that they cheered for Savior for a year of slumping only to find out the person they'd given their hearts to was going to be the posterboy of the scandal. That messes with internal consistency and a lot of people resort to just going to complete opposite direction and hating him. But again, I find it a pathetic perspective. Dehumanizing and scapegoating a person because it is the simplest way to escape your own feelings.
Nicely put man, I couldn't have said it better myself.
and @Slakoo, that's a good point. Even convicted killers go to jail to rehabilitate and they try to make them fit in the society when they are done serving their sentence.
Except every single one of them got death sentence from KeSPA.
The perspective people often ignore is what happened to sponsorship following the match fixing scandal. The fans' perspectives DONT EVEN MATTER HERE because they are not what pulled the money from the game and brought about the actual collapse.
It is an absolute fact that following the match fixing scandal, at least one team folded immediately and sponsorship for leagues and teams dried up within a season. That is indisputable. Savior is not a scapegoat; he is a symbol, yes, but also more directly responsible than any other individual for causing sponsors to pull all support from the league.
It doesn't really impact the game when Bart Miadich gets named in the Mitchell report for taking HGH. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens? Huge deal, and not just because they are being made scapegoats: they had a huge hand in shaping the game and the industry and thus have a ton of money and importance attached to their actions.
On June 29 2012 13:07 tedster wrote: The perspective people often ignore is what happened to sponsorship following the match fixing scandal. The fans' perspectives DONT EVEN MATTER HERE because they are not what pulled the money from the game and brought about the actual collapse.
It is an absolute fact that following the match fixing scandal, at least one team folded immediately and sponsorship for leagues and teams dried up within a season. That is indisputable. Savior is not a scapegoat; he is a symbol, yes, but also more directly responsible than any other individual for causing sponsors to pull all support from the league.
It doesn't really impact the game when Bart Miadich gets named in the Mitchell report for taking HGH. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens? Huge deal, and not just because they are being made scapegoats: they had a huge hand in shaping the game and the industry and thus have a ton of money and importance attached to their actions.
Huh ? I don't care about drama any way I am hype right now can't wait to watch sashin vs genius terran tomorrow . GoGOGO SAshin !!!!!!!!!!!
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