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On November 12 2011 04:52 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 02:44 Rostam wrote:On November 12 2011 01:02 Lavalamp799 wrote:
So, are they playing BW full-time still? Is that a serious question? Thanks Ryo! On November 12 2011 01:31 setzer wrote:On November 12 2011 01:13 maximuspita wrote:On November 12 2011 00:52 setzer wrote:
Can't wait to see the development of these players unfold as their practice continues. Playing against the very top of competition every day 12 hours a day has to be better than playing against B-teamers like so many progamers do.
That isn't necessarily true. If you play against someone who is too good, you might discard a valid strategy because that particular player defended it(and the strategy wasn't well developed at the moment). You also get a much smaller subset of styles to practice against. I am, however, very excited to see this team tear through Proleague! I think that is more of a problem of having a smaller amount of people to practice with and not the quality of each person. Overall I think we would see a way better Jaedong in ZvP if he was able to practice against Bisu and reach a modest 50%. Winning 50% of his games against the best PvZ player in the history of BW should almost always be more effective practice than against players who cannot come close to pushing Jaedong to his limits. If having good practice partners was that much of an advantage, everyone on KT would be the godliest vT players ever. Not so. ACE has always suffered from not having enough players to practice effectively, I feel this team will have the same problem until they expand their roster (I guess they will do so when they find a sponsor?) Valid point, but how many different things do progamers need to practice for there to be a huge advantage with a much larger team? I could see instances where they won't be able to practice a matchup because another player is tied up, but there are still many practice partners out there to train online. Idra himself said the majority of practice time in BW was to maintain mechanics while he was in the CJ house. I don't see Jaedong benefiting more from playing a b-team zerg over Hydra and against a player like Hydra his micro is always going to be pushed to the limit, making the practice valuable as it forces you to get better. Against a player like BaBy Jaedong is going to develop better multi-tasking skills to defend drops and such; he isn't as likely to hone those skills playing Bee. There is a reason why every foreign organizations are sending many foreigners over to Korea in SC2. The environment and competition are so much better than elsewhere that is does make a huge difference. Pretty much every major successful foreigner has been to Korea to train at one point or another.
When you have 8 players on your team and 6 of them are being sent out for Proleague each match, then the players will not be able to spend as much time practicing for their own match because they'll have to also help their teammates prepare. OSL matches would just complicate things even further. They need to have practice partners/B-teamers so they can prepare properly for their own matchups.
Besides that, I think the idea that top level practice partners help you get better doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Why did Jaedong suck at ZvP when he first emerged if the best player on his team was Anytime? How did he develop godlike ZvZ practicing against ToSky and ShinHwa? Why did FBH suck so hard at TvP when he was on the same team as Stork and Jangbi, and conversely why were they both so amazing at PvT? Why did Flash develop such strong TvT when his best Terran teammates were Sair and Hery?
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United States1719 Posts
On November 12 2011 05:13 Betalump wrote:
Can anyone tell me what those books are?
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From left to right,
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'Excel 2007: Seeing, Listening and Imitating'
Cant read
Cant read
Cant read
'Can do English: 1'
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'Ferguson's Leadership' (I think he's a soccer coach)
'Ferguson's Leadership'
'Coaching Training'
'Magical Coaching' (-_-)
'Economic Thinking'
'The 110 Laws of Leadership'
'The Strategist's Leadership'
'Acting upon Leadership: 5 steps of Planning'
Dale Carnegie's 'How to Win Friends and Influence People'
'Those who know Psyochology Succeed'
'The Law of Humor'
'Do Serotonin!' (some kind of hormone that governs emotions i guess)
'Exceptional Leaders Move People with Psychology'
'Solution to Communication' (Not sure...can't read)
'Those who Succeed have Exceptional Talent in Speech'
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Cant read
Cant read
Cant read
'High-five'
'Practicing Anger Management'
'Lee Kun Hee's World' (CEO of Samsung)
'Critical Mass'
'Run as if you would Walk'
'Obama's Story'
Lots of stuff about leadership it seems...
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Time to give Ryo a contributor's star imo. Thank you so much for delivering and translating all these news dude, <3<3<3<3!
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On November 12 2011 08:21 marttorn wrote:
Time to give Ryo a contributor's star imo. Thank you so much for delivering and translating all these news dude, <3<3<3<3!
Yeah Ryo sure does a good job keeping us updated on whats going on! Thanks!
Btw are the results from the in house ranking out yet? Did Killer won or was it JD?
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Broodwar news, keep them coming! Thanks for all the translators who survived the long winter between the seasons!
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Best of luck to them 
They certainly deserve a better setting, but I'm happy they can make due with what they have at the moment.
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On November 12 2011 01:13 maximuspita wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 00:52 setzer wrote:
Can't wait to see the development of these players unfold as their practice continues. Playing against the very top of competition every day 12 hours a day has to be better than playing against B-teamers like so many progamers do.
That isn't necessarily true. If you play against someone who is too good, you might discard a valid strategy because that particular player defended it(and the strategy wasn't well developed at the moment). You also get a much smaller subset of styles to practice against. I am, however, very excited to see this team tear through Proleague!
forgot who said it, but he said "if you practice against flash, you forget how to win"
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United Kingdom1746 Posts
On November 12 2011 10:01 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 01:13 maximuspita wrote:On November 12 2011 00:52 setzer wrote:
Can't wait to see the development of these players unfold as their practice continues. Playing against the very top of competition every day 12 hours a day has to be better than playing against B-teamers like so many progamers do.
That isn't necessarily true. If you play against someone who is too good, you might discard a valid strategy because that particular player defended it(and the strategy wasn't well developed at the moment). You also get a much smaller subset of styles to practice against. I am, however, very excited to see this team tear through Proleague! forgot who said it, but he said "if you practice against flash, you forget how to win"
I believe it was Hoejja.
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Japan11928 Posts
On November 12 2011 10:13 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 10:01 konadora wrote:On November 12 2011 01:13 maximuspita wrote:On November 12 2011 00:52 setzer wrote:
Can't wait to see the development of these players unfold as their practice continues. Playing against the very top of competition every day 12 hours a day has to be better than playing against B-teamers like so many progamers do.
That isn't necessarily true. If you play against someone who is too good, you might discard a valid strategy because that particular player defended it(and the strategy wasn't well developed at the moment). You also get a much smaller subset of styles to practice against. I am, however, very excited to see this team tear through Proleague! forgot who said it, but he said "if you practice against flash, you forget how to win" I believe it was Hoejja.
Is he just trying to scare nal_ra or is he dead serious?
Anyway, the place looks cool and they have widescreens now. Thanks for sharing ryo!
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