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United States7366 Posts
i'm hearing all these "oh he 100% hacks and this is proof" claims based upon a single action in a game. It made me wonder if it could be some stupid bug in a game, such as click moving an SCV in black area/fog of war onto a geyser and it showing up as "suspicious action" in bwchart. so, has anyone seen a case of someone who is DEFINITELY not hacking (like with 2 of your own computers) and found "supposed evidence" of a hack? | ||
IntoTheWow
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Sky101
United States1758 Posts
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IntoTheWow
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nArAnjO
Peru2571 Posts
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Y821
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Pacifist
Israel1683 Posts
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Petachu
Canada354 Posts
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
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Can't believe you people haven't figured it out =[ | ||
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lastgosu
United States24 Posts
about something that can be stupid bug in the game. at first people tried to accuse me hacking with Random Zerg Testie vs I. But now nobody talking more about it. now someone is keep trying to say look at this game SW)Lois vs MgZ)Nookie. It is impossible to happen he did attacked without vision etc. and accuse me hacker and banned me WGT with very small proof. 1 very small action which can be error and no more proof until now. Im very sure someone is seeking, trying to find some more proove to upload but couldnt yet. I really dont see senseful action belong with it. Im very sad i got banned from WGT (*cough*) im very sad about this comunity. | ||
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wishterran
United States1045 Posts
If you just click on the fog of war and it happens to be over a unit, it will not be recorded as clicking on the unit. I'm not here to say that this method of detecting hack is 100% reliable, because I really don't know for sure. But it looks 100% sure to me. | ||
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pirate cod
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NewbSaibot
3849 Posts
however i too am inclined to aggree that we're moving too fast here, i think the community is in a state of paranoia now that there is actual money on the line that any one of us stand the chance of winning. And i'm still worried one day im gonna see a post by penguin with the title "omg im so sorry i screwed up!" in his detection mechanism. | ||
Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
When people are accused of something that they are innocent of, they claim their case rationally. If people generally don't believe them they explain the differences in their views and leave it at that. When people are accused of something that they are guilty of, they start freaking out. First off, you'll find their arguments just quite frankly don't make any sence whatsoever. They cite facts that really have nothing to do with the situation at all, or they try to attack the credibility of other people instead of defending their own credibility. You can easily see this in criminal / civil defendants or people involved with the police. If you're freaking out it's because you don't have a rational explanation to defend yourself. Which of the two categories do you believe you fit into? You clicked on someone's Nexus while it was under the fog of war. I have yet to hear a rational explanation about how you managed to accomplish this. You've typed probably 5 pages of non-sensical gibberish. WHAT DID YOU DO THAT ALLOWED YOU TO SELECT A NEXUS UNDER THE FOG OF WAR? What's more likely, computer programming error or human error? I would tend to believe that you made an error and selected a nexus that you shouldn't have, rather than something in the Starcraft code caused the replayed to say you selected a building while you didn't. Anyways, I don't know why I typed this all out. You're not going to read this properly and are not going to have a sensical reply. I guess this just makes me happy to see you get what you deserve and you're squirming around like the hacker you are. GL AT USA FINALS~!~!~ | ||
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pirate cod
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
It was just so perfectly timed, i don't know how i could have defended myself if he accused of MH, but he didnt. I actually, felt pretty shitty afterwards, because i thought for sure they would say i hacked, and be kicked out of this guild. Concreate proof, such as replay selection analysis, nope. | ||
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
But there has been not 1 case where penguin's "clear proof" method has been disproved. Until someone can produce a case where a "clear proof" instance is generated without maphack, then I will put 100% faith behind penguin's method. I think it's also important to set a standard to what clear proof is. Penguin mentioned 5+ seconds as his benchmark for clear proof, but I propose we also add "x" number of pixels away from the border of vision. I personally have tried various methods to produce a clear proof instance without maphack, using various commands and different situations with fog of war etc. I was unable to get a "clear proof" situation without maphack and I'm certain that no one else can either. I challenge someone to create a legitimate situation where a suspicious move was generated at least 5 seconds away from last vision and at least 2 matrixes away from the vision's borderline on a non-corrupt replay and I will eat my words and also personally apolgize to lois and selector. | ||
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
On May 10 2005 19:45 Amnesty wrote: Sometimes it just intuition. One game I played a long time ago, i did something very suspicious. I gundam rushed and had him contained. I felt he was going reavers, so i sent some vultures to the outskirts of my main to lay mines for more of a heads up. As soon as they get their, I see his shuttle come out of fog of war near thoose vults as soon as my vults start to lay mines. It was just so perfectly timed, i don't know how i could have defended myself if he accused of MH, but he didnt. I actually, felt pretty shitty afterwards, because i thought for sure they would say i hacked, and be kicked out of this guild. Concreate proof, such as replay selection analysis, nope. According to penguin, this is by no means proof of hacking. It is merely suspicious action due to BW mechanics. For it to qualify as clear proof, it must be at least 5+ seconds before/after vision was obtained. In your case it was a matter of milliseconds, so it is clear that the situation you described can indeed be replicated without maphack. If you clicked his shuttle 5 seconds before you got vision and it was nowhere near the border of your vision and the replay was no corrupt, then yes it would be CONCRETE PROOF. | ||
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NewbSaibot
3849 Posts
However i just cant let him be be destroyed like this without at least a little fair defense. I used to get accused of hacking all the time back in the quake1/2 days. At first, it really pissed the fucking hell out of me. Dunno why, was just such an insult to have someone declare all my hours of practice and skills worth nothing, down the drain. Even worse when it was an admin and i would get kicked. However the difference of course was it was all opinionative, no program actually claimed to contain data against me. After probably a month of the occasional accusation, i did just what you said and didnt care anymore. I'd either calmly explain to the admin or person everything that could make my shot or intuition believable, or i'd just say "well i cant do anything about your thoughts, you do what you gotta do, im gonna keep playing". I dont think i was ever really banned or anything. Now when i get kicked from a css server, i dont even bother going back because i understand theres so many people out there without a clue. However i do have the luxery of about 2000 other servers to choose from. Lois is a little more pissed because his play is not limitted from a very popular crowd. Plus this might be his first time being accused so he's still going through the initial phase i was. But hacking and anti-cheat detection back then was a different animal, so i dont know if my behavior then can be applied to someone today. | ||
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United States7081 Posts
On May 10 2005 19:39 Chill wrote: Lastgosu, this is a generalization about human reactions, but here goes: When people are accused of something that they are innocent of, they claim their case rationally. If people generally don't believe them they explain the differences in their views and leave it at that. When people are accused of something that they are guilty of, they start freaking out. First off, you'll find their arguments just quite frankly don't make any sence whatsoever. They cite facts that really have nothing to do with the situation at all, or they try to attack the credibility of other people instead of defending their own credibility. You can easily see this in criminal / civil defendants or people involved with the police. If you're freaking out it's because you don't have a rational explanation to defend yourself. Which of the two categories do you believe you fit into? You clicked on someone's Nexus while it was under the fog of war. I have yet to hear a rational explanation about how you managed to accomplish this. You've typed probably 5 pages of non-sensical gibberish. WHAT DID YOU DO THAT ALLOWED YOU TO SELECT A NEXUS UNDER THE FOG OF WAR? What's more likely, computer programming error or human error? I would tend to believe that you made an error and selected a nexus that you shouldn't have, rather than something in the Starcraft code caused the replayed to say you selected a building while you didn't. Anyways, I don't know why I typed this all out. You're not going to read this properly and are not going to have a sensical reply. I guess this just makes me happy to see you get what you deserve and you're squirming around like the hacker you are. GL AT USA FINALS~!~!~ Well yeah, that, or wrongly accused people become very frustrated and act in a irrational manner. | ||
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