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On May 10 2005 17:46 lastgosu wrote:
superpenguin you are just an fucking idiot trying to take me down.
ahah, now i find the usual cheater defense 
If im fucking hacker i would made more clear evidence strange move or opposite build order against enemy if you have brain think about it.
except if you dont want to get caught ?
proove out at least more real agressive evidence that everyone 100% clearly can believe before you treat someone as a shit.
the wgtour removed all games from your game list and it's not something i aprove but it's not something i can do anything about. It's very easy for you to "demand other proofs" when you know i cant access any other of your games. If we have a proof, dont try to ask for others, try to explain why it could not be valid.
And fucking unban me from WGT I fucking have no idea why i got banned from it.
I dont fucking know who banned me you are abuser.
Fucking funny that superpenguin said im the only one hacker in TLT TOP 100.
3 times "fucking" in 2 lines, new world record, congratulation
I said you were the only "heavy hacker" in TOP 43, my post is still there and i never modified that part. Obviously if someone hacked only in 1 game, theres big chance that it's impossible to prove.
And now saying "i caught someone else! he click some gas depot which is impossible!"
sol.selector is #44 (or was)
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dude lastgosu, if u really didnt hack, just let it go. Dont mind what they say and just show ur skills at the US WCG..
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that program is one fucking shitty funny action caughter can be accuse anybody hack.
there is no proof of i hack and just saying 1 attack record = 100% I would say this is fucking stupid program's stupid result. somehow -_-
its very very non-sense
If i was fucking hacker where is certain hackish movements? there is 80 of my TLT games.. im very sure you can find at least 5 very certain map hack movement if you can judge im 100% hacker. FUCKER !! go find those some real proof then posts something about it.
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Kind of off topic, but I was just wondering if anyone has ever checked good kor players for hack, whats stopping kors from hacking anymore than foreigners?
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stfu superpenguin you fucking ass. you can easily download my games from TLT replay Pack. WGT erased all my game and you cant seek anymore ? fuck you !!
I fucking hacked just only 1 game ? in entired of my LAdder game ? Do you think that make any sense ?? you really making me pissed off without making any sense.
Why would people use map hack ? obviously they use it to Overwhelm they're enemy. I dont make clear evidence to hide my self from using hack ? so i suicide all my units and dont make any decent movement ? and i hack only 1 game from entire my TLT ladder games ? just only 1 game vs MgZ)NooKie ?
Try to not explain ? about proof ? I make complaint becuz i got banned from WGT and you certainly spread everywhere my self as hacker.
I had to complaint becuz i wanted out of this bull shit.
What if i really didnt hack? lets just think about it. using "fucking" 3 times ? you made me pissed and you make me to use "fucking" -_-
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welcome to USA, where FUCK is most americans first word.
i like how that guy a couple posts above has this whole reverse psychology thing goin, "you said it like this, but you meant this really. if you really didnt do it, you woulda said it like this, so we'd think this way" wtf!?! Dr. Phil anyone?
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randomKo_rean im very thx to treat me as resfectful way.
well ok at beginning of my posts. I already mentioned that this my complaint will be make fool of my self. and i knew im gonna use those ugly words since people pissing me really off.
honestly think about it. If Im not hacker I would say I dont hack if i did hack i'd do (so and so )
I just did.
finally some of them say " Look at this hacker is complaining like "etc etc"
im not a person with that patient. I cant hold those bad manner against me with smile.
and before that i already got banned from WGT. <- this already pissed me very off.
I smart hacked ? c'mon I have enough skill to being top non-korean user level.
why whould i use hack to participate online prelinary. its not even Final !!
There is not clear enough proof to bann me from WGT im just mad about it
All i want is unbaned from WGT which i got banned already without exact reason.
someone post SW)Lois hack -> WGT admin: oh he hack ? banned life ! Me: WTF? suddenly happen?? Grrrr..!!!! fucking fucking fucking etc -_-
im very sorry if it was wrong to use word "fucking" i apologize about it.
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lastgosu: quit telling us why you think other people use maphack, you just make yourself look more guilty because your assumptions are poor and seem intentionally misleading. Just beacuse you think a maphackers goal is to 'overwhelm' his enemy doesnt make it so, we'll draw our own conclusions about you hacking. You arent being suspected because of how you played but because of the data contained in your replay. Your only possible defense at this point is if the data is flawed, and you have several professionals telling you its not (hopefully). If you want to fight this you need to show how the data could be wrong, not how they are stupid to wonder why you click a geyser.
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Superpenguin or someone should click on a building under fog and unscouted land with every concievable command and see if anything comes up just to be sure.
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more definite proof would be to check the rest of lastgosu's games.
while superpenguins argument that he hacked is compelling, if the rest of lois' games don't even have one instance of clear hack such as the nookie game, im more inclined to believe it was a fault with the penguin plug and bwchart. that is, even with both programs, its only ONE incident and that is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
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NewbSaibot Im not good with English like native speakers. so dont make complaint with it plz.
and you are right. i need to show how the data could be wrong. but o well im not super programmer to proove anything out. and i did not XXXXXXX hack and superpenguin is saying about my 1 action attacking nexus ? and accuse 100% HACK HACK HACK HACK !!!!!! ( its not click a geyser. ) so im just pissed nothing i can do.
Let me ask you something. If somebody is trying to fuck you off with which can be very stupid thing to proove. What are you going to do if you were my position ?
Im very sure that superpenguin checked more of my games. but he isnt prooving any other result yet. honestly if i hacked there should be much more to pick out.
Or do you think i only hack just 1 game versusing MgZ)Nookie ? from my entire of games ??
Just think If you was me what could you be done ? should i study about BW Program and Bwchart Program Map hack Programming ? and spend couple year to study it then say " Look I found this was wrong it can be happen becuz this this etc etc---- Im not a hacker ^0^ ! "
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On May 10 2005 01:35 uhjoo wrote:i hate hackers probably as much as the next guy, but an even greater crime is accusing someone innocent of hacking without definitive proof. in the replay lolok provided, i just don't see definitive proof... if anything, i see evidence that lastgosu is NOT a hacker -- he has to scan for tanks to siege nexus on higher ground b/c he doesn't have vision... wouldn't a hacker just automatically start sieging up the cliff? (unless he was spamming "stop," scanned, then allowed for siege tank to attack, then spammed "stop" again at exactly the right moment for the scan to wear off, all to avoid getting caught <-- an unlikely scenario -_-;  "suspicious actions" detected by bwchart are not reliable at all (unless you accusers are talking about something else) so unless there's something more definite that i'm missing, "suspicion" doesn't equate proof if lastgosu does turn out to be a hacker, he will be soundly ridiculed for his posts in this thread and i will be the first to deride him. however, i think it's completely unfair and jumping to conclusions to accuse him of hacking as is... and making fun of his english and his looks or whatever is just plain childish. lastgosu, if you're not a hacker, sometimes, being falsely accused of hacking is the ultimate compliment :D
Wow, this has got to be the first time I've ever disagreed with uhjoo. Uhjoo, have you read penguin's entire article about his process? I'd be very interested to see what your thoughts are after you read his entire article, because I had the same thoughts that you did before I read it.
I think penguin's rationalization of his method is highly scientific and accurate. It's just that people either cannot comprehend it or the misinterpret it. Like that guy from Mexico who recently posted a false hacker accusation based on a "suspicious" move. Pengiun is clear about what the difference is between suspicious move, which may not be hacking, and clear proof which most certainly is hacking, namely 5+ seconds of vision. You also have to be careful about objects on the borderline of vison. We must always err on the side of caution when making hack accusations and the mexican guy tarnished the credibilty of penguins method in the eyes of the masses.
But I'm 100% convinced that if you follow Pengiuns method precisely, then you can determine without a shadow of a doubt certain non-borderline cases of hacking. And this game with Lois is certainly a clear case of hacking.
p.s. let's do pengiun some justice and not accuse hack when it's 1 second of vision or 1 pixel of space from vision.
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Also, uhjoo, because a hacker can see up a cliff, dosn't mean the UNITS can. Therefore you must scan for units to shoot up cliff. I think Lastgosu hacks.
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There really is nothing you can do anymore lastgosu. Everyones mind is made up. If you honestly believe you are innocent, then i think you should just state so one last time, and go on playing with the hope that one day you will be vindicated. If you are banned for life from something and have no way to make your way back in, well i guess thats just one of those crushing blows that happens every now and then. You are a casualty of war, sorry man.
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i played vs lois in TLT and his micro and macro suck so much i was surprised to lose 1 game to him haha sad noob cant play
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an other proof, in the game named in the begining of this thread (it's not the same game than the first proof i gave).
you can also download it from here if you want:
http://ste.gnux.info/ftp/scd/3301noookie-1.rep
lois comsat a nexus that he cant see, before he comsat, it's totaly the black fog of war :
Then he comsat exactly on the nexus and it's shown as a target on that object that he couldnt even see before that, not even greyed.
You can also see the action in bwchart:
Some might argue with a theory that it's the purpose of the comsat to "discover the units" that you clic on. It doesnt work that way for broodwar, so i made a simple test map to help you to check this (choose "save as" ) :
http://ste.gnux.info/ftp/scd/test-target.scm
all the north of the map is filled with nexus, and you have enough scanner at the south to hit a few undiscovered nexus... not surprisingly, every time you scan a nexus that you dont have directly under vision, it's recorded as a "scan on the ground", PenguinPlug doesnt complain and bwchart show that the action is not associated with a particular tageted object but only the location.
Please, dont say "i think you are wrong" if you are too lazy to test by yourself
Ok, i was stupid enough to give a 2nd evidence, as good as the first one. Now that theres 200% of chance that you are a cheater, do i need to proove that you are 300% of a cheater ? 400% ? when will it stop ? what will you invent next, i'm starting to get borred ?
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The other possibility (and listening to penguin man etc) probably the only viable explanation left for mr lastgosu is that the message stored in the replay file is incorrect and the problem lies with some random and rare fault of BW when either saving the game data or interpreting the game data during play.
If i was you lastgosu i would try and seek the help of a suitably qualified representative from Blizzard who could comment on the possibility of this situation arising. Apart from that - i would have to agree with everyone else - that you are stuffed mate
If you don't hack - you have my deepest sympathies for position you have found yourself in through no fault of your own - but if you do.. you can STFU.
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SW)Lois has clearly cheated in TLT.
Who cares. WDT was complete scam and everyone was out a few hundred dollars, bitching didn't help anything.
SW)Lois trying to deny it is amusing though. Don't listen. Maphackers are completely devoid of morals; they're able to give the most heart-felt plead of innocence despite the fact that they are guilty guilty guilty. I've seen it about 58938590389053 times.
No matter what, he'll still think that as long as he fervently denies these accusations, there will still be enough uncertainty for many to excuse him. It's pathetic, really, and what I've seen from him in this thread is like another pile of shit shoveled on top of his shit mountain.
Nearly every confirmed maphacker (of which there are hundreds) has stood firm in their plead of innocence, and every single one of them was full of shit, just like SW)Lois here today.
Maybe he justifies his use of maphack by thinking, "everybody in tournament could be maphacking, so I will too" or "I will just maphack against the people I think maphack," but the simple truth is, there is no excuse to maphack, and in the BW community you are absolute scum if you ever do.
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