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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
August 06 2011 10:51 GMT
#301
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 06 2011 10:54 GMT
#302
On August 06 2011 19:51 zeru wrote:
This sounds really chaotic in more than 1 way. Hope contracts running out don't affect the finals if they are played after monday.

Yeah that would really ruin it..
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 06 2011 10:55 GMT
#303
There was a list posted somewhere with all the names going to free agency. Anyone have it?
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Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
August 06 2011 11:15 GMT
#304
Oh man... Apparently the Chinese fans were confused at seeing the cancellation signboard notice and stood around for a while, wondering why the games weren't starting when there apparently wasn't a drop of rain in the air. Lots of the fans who came to Shanghai and paid for the trip out of their own pockets are really disappointed and can't believe that the finals were canceled due to the weather, when apparently it's a nice day outside in Shanghai.

I feel so bad for the Chinese fans.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 06 2011 11:29 GMT
#305
On August 06 2011 20:15 Spica wrote:
Oh man... Apparently the Chinese fans were confused at seeing the cancellation signboard notice and stood around for a while, wondering why the games weren't starting when there apparently wasn't a drop of rain in the air. Lots of the fans who came to Shanghai and paid for the trip out of their own pockets are really disappointed and can't believe that the finals were canceled due to the weather, when apparently it's a nice day outside in Shanghai.

I feel so bad for the Chinese fans.

That really sucks........
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 06 2011 11:40 GMT
#306
On August 06 2011 20:15 Spica wrote:
Oh man... Apparently the Chinese fans were confused at seeing the cancellation signboard notice and stood around for a while, wondering why the games weren't starting when there apparently wasn't a drop of rain in the air. Lots of the fans who came to Shanghai and paid for the trip out of their own pockets are really disappointed and can't believe that the finals were canceled due to the weather, when apparently it's a nice day outside in Shanghai.

I feel so bad for the Chinese fans.


We're a bunch of TLers at my apartment, we're just back from the venue, and there's no sign of typhoon whatsoever... We're just so disappointed, a few of us even flew from Beijing to see the finals.

That just plain sucks.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 06 2011 11:43 GMT
#307
On August 06 2011 19:55 Fionn wrote:
There was a list posted somewhere with all the names going to free agency. Anyone have it?

id like to look at it too
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Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-06 11:45:36
August 06 2011 11:45 GMT
#308
On August 06 2011 20:40 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 20:15 Spica wrote:
Oh man... Apparently the Chinese fans were confused at seeing the cancellation signboard notice and stood around for a while, wondering why the games weren't starting when there apparently wasn't a drop of rain in the air. Lots of the fans who came to Shanghai and paid for the trip out of their own pockets are really disappointed and can't believe that the finals were canceled due to the weather, when apparently it's a nice day outside in Shanghai.

I feel so bad for the Chinese fans.


We're a bunch of TLers at my apartment, we're just back from the venue, and there's no sign of typhoon whatsoever... We're just so disappointed, a few of us even flew from Beijing to see the finals.

That just plain sucks.

So it looks like DES's reporters were right... Damn, that sucks. My condolences go out to you guys.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 06 2011 11:52 GMT
#309
On August 06 2011 19:55 Fionn wrote:
There was a list posted somewhere with all the names going to free agency. Anyone have it?

There is no list yet. The list will only be announced on Monday by Kespa.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 06 2011 20:09 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 20:06 NicksonReyes wrote:
I hope no one changes their line-up until the Finals.

2 weeks...


Well, KT and SKT1 are the richest teams. Couple that with MBC Hero in disaster, STX wanting to trade everyone, and everything else going down, I wouldn't be shocked if both teams add come Monday.

Would be shocked if KT lost Flash or SKT1 lost Best, though. Only way Flash leaves KT is another team has built him a new wrist.

It doesn't work this way. Don't post misinformation. They're just going to release the list of players who qualify for Free Agency on Monday. Negotiations between players and teams end only in late August/early September.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 06 2011 12:37 GMT
#310
On August 06 2011 20:45 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 20:40 endy wrote:
On August 06 2011 20:15 Spica wrote:
Oh man... Apparently the Chinese fans were confused at seeing the cancellation signboard notice and stood around for a while, wondering why the games weren't starting when there apparently wasn't a drop of rain in the air. Lots of the fans who came to Shanghai and paid for the trip out of their own pockets are really disappointed and can't believe that the finals were canceled due to the weather, when apparently it's a nice day outside in Shanghai.

I feel so bad for the Chinese fans.


We're a bunch of TLers at my apartment, we're just back from the venue, and there's no sign of typhoon whatsoever... We're just so disappointed, a few of us even flew from Beijing to see the finals.

That just plain sucks.

So it looks like DES's reporters were right... Damn, that sucks. My condolences go out to you guys.


Well at least we got to see the players.... for a few seconds. YellOw tried to walk around the stadium, but he got mobbed after 10 seconds....

[image loading]



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xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
August 06 2011 13:47 GMT
#311
On August 06 2011 18:53 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 18:49 hauton wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:47 Spica wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:46 hauton wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:43 Cedstick wrote:
On a little tangent, I always imagined the Korean forums would be generally more mannered and mature than others. Nope, the effects of the internet are universal, it seems XD

what?

Have you not heard how some of these progamers are often abused and berated by so-called "fans"?

Korean netizens have the same terrible manners as any other ethnicity, maybe even worse in some cases.

Add that with the cultural xenophobia that exists between Chinese/Japanese/Koreans and it's a hodgepodge of racist hyperbole about the bastard Chinese ruining everything.

Calm down man, no need to give off such a harsh tone.

And the Korean netizens are mostly laughing at "KeSPA's fail" rather than bashing the Chinese government.

Yeesh.

No offense intended, I'm not trying to incite anything. I'm just commenting on the phenomenon as it occurs on all sides. There's good and bad apples in every group, really.

Alright, but you sound super worked up about some people trying to place blame on the Chinese/the Chinese government. Those people will soon realize that there's no one really to blame, unless you want to blame the typhoon for striking on the day of the finals or KeSPA's apparently poor planning/handling of the situation.

But really, it was just a bunch of unfortunate events all colliding into each other at the same time. :|

The government cancelling completely voluntary private business that harms no one, at a whim of their finger, with complete disregard for the forgone commerce it will cause. I think no matter what way you look at it, the facts remain the same: in absence of the action government currently took, the finals wouldve happened as planned, without problems. As such, it necessarily follows that any arguments of guilt existing outside the choice of government action, must be incorrect.
Aah thats the stuff..
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 06 2011 13:52 GMT
#312
On August 06 2011 21:37 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 20:45 Spica wrote:
On August 06 2011 20:40 endy wrote:
On August 06 2011 20:15 Spica wrote:
Oh man... Apparently the Chinese fans were confused at seeing the cancellation signboard notice and stood around for a while, wondering why the games weren't starting when there apparently wasn't a drop of rain in the air. Lots of the fans who came to Shanghai and paid for the trip out of their own pockets are really disappointed and can't believe that the finals were canceled due to the weather, when apparently it's a nice day outside in Shanghai.

I feel so bad for the Chinese fans.


We're a bunch of TLers at my apartment, we're just back from the venue, and there's no sign of typhoon whatsoever... We're just so disappointed, a few of us even flew from Beijing to see the finals.

That just plain sucks.

So it looks like DES's reporters were right... Damn, that sucks. My condolences go out to you guys.


Well at least we got to see the players.... for a few seconds. YellOw tried to walk around the stadium, but he got mobbed after 10 seconds....

[image loading]




The weather looks alright.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
August 06 2011 14:34 GMT
#313
I wanted to hear what flash had to announce
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
August 06 2011 14:44 GMT
#314
On August 06 2011 22:47 xarthaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 18:53 Spica wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:49 hauton wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:47 Spica wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:46 hauton wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:43 Cedstick wrote:
On a little tangent, I always imagined the Korean forums would be generally more mannered and mature than others. Nope, the effects of the internet are universal, it seems XD

what?

Have you not heard how some of these progamers are often abused and berated by so-called "fans"?

Korean netizens have the same terrible manners as any other ethnicity, maybe even worse in some cases.

Add that with the cultural xenophobia that exists between Chinese/Japanese/Koreans and it's a hodgepodge of racist hyperbole about the bastard Chinese ruining everything.

Calm down man, no need to give off such a harsh tone.

And the Korean netizens are mostly laughing at "KeSPA's fail" rather than bashing the Chinese government.

Yeesh.

No offense intended, I'm not trying to incite anything. I'm just commenting on the phenomenon as it occurs on all sides. There's good and bad apples in every group, really.

Alright, but you sound super worked up about some people trying to place blame on the Chinese/the Chinese government. Those people will soon realize that there's no one really to blame, unless you want to blame the typhoon for striking on the day of the finals or KeSPA's apparently poor planning/handling of the situation.

But really, it was just a bunch of unfortunate events all colliding into each other at the same time. :|

The government cancelling completely voluntary private business that harms no one, at a whim of their finger, with complete disregard for the forgone commerce it will cause. I think no matter what way you look at it, the facts remain the same: in absence of the action government currently took, the finals wouldve happened as planned, without problems. As such, it necessarily follows that any arguments of guilt existing outside the choice of government action, must be incorrect.


Unfortunately the games were cancelled was also there and we were already talked about this while waitign still hoping the games would start
if the typhoon struck and 5 ppl died because some projectors or other crap fell down from the stage the chinese government would be the one to blame... its only logical they cancelled :{
any responsible government woulda done so...

weather is still fine now tho at 11 pm... woulda been perfect for finals T_T
its me
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 06 2011 14:55 GMT
#315
On August 06 2011 23:44 Kaolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:47 xarthaz wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:53 Spica wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:49 hauton wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:47 Spica wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:46 hauton wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:43 Cedstick wrote:
On a little tangent, I always imagined the Korean forums would be generally more mannered and mature than others. Nope, the effects of the internet are universal, it seems XD

what?

Have you not heard how some of these progamers are often abused and berated by so-called "fans"?

Korean netizens have the same terrible manners as any other ethnicity, maybe even worse in some cases.

Add that with the cultural xenophobia that exists between Chinese/Japanese/Koreans and it's a hodgepodge of racist hyperbole about the bastard Chinese ruining everything.

Calm down man, no need to give off such a harsh tone.

And the Korean netizens are mostly laughing at "KeSPA's fail" rather than bashing the Chinese government.

Yeesh.

No offense intended, I'm not trying to incite anything. I'm just commenting on the phenomenon as it occurs on all sides. There's good and bad apples in every group, really.

Alright, but you sound super worked up about some people trying to place blame on the Chinese/the Chinese government. Those people will soon realize that there's no one really to blame, unless you want to blame the typhoon for striking on the day of the finals or KeSPA's apparently poor planning/handling of the situation.

But really, it was just a bunch of unfortunate events all colliding into each other at the same time. :|

The government cancelling completely voluntary private business that harms no one, at a whim of their finger, with complete disregard for the forgone commerce it will cause. I think no matter what way you look at it, the facts remain the same: in absence of the action government currently took, the finals wouldve happened as planned, without problems. As such, it necessarily follows that any arguments of guilt existing outside the choice of government action, must be incorrect.


Unfortunately the games were cancelled was also there and we were already talked about this while waitign still hoping the games would start
if the typhoon struck and 5 ppl died because some projectors or other crap fell down from the stage the chinese government would be the one to blame... its only logical they cancelled :{
any responsible government woulda done so...

weather is still fine now tho at 11 pm... woulda been perfect for finals T_T


it's probably the fault of kespa. they really should have checked with china once they knew there'd be a typhoon and made sure that it wouldn't be canceled. if there was a good chance of it being canceled, they should have preemptively canceled the shanghai excursion entirely, let people recoup their travel costs to a certain extent, not inconvenienced the players, coaches, and fans, and just held a more or less impromptu finals in busan or wherever.
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-06 15:06:04
August 06 2011 14:59 GMT
#316

Translator
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
August 06 2011 15:00 GMT
#317
On August 06 2011 23:44 Kaolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:47 xarthaz wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:53 Spica wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:49 hauton wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:47 Spica wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:46 hauton wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:43 Cedstick wrote:
On a little tangent, I always imagined the Korean forums would be generally more mannered and mature than others. Nope, the effects of the internet are universal, it seems XD

what?

Have you not heard how some of these progamers are often abused and berated by so-called "fans"?

Korean netizens have the same terrible manners as any other ethnicity, maybe even worse in some cases.

Add that with the cultural xenophobia that exists between Chinese/Japanese/Koreans and it's a hodgepodge of racist hyperbole about the bastard Chinese ruining everything.

Calm down man, no need to give off such a harsh tone.

And the Korean netizens are mostly laughing at "KeSPA's fail" rather than bashing the Chinese government.

Yeesh.

No offense intended, I'm not trying to incite anything. I'm just commenting on the phenomenon as it occurs on all sides. There's good and bad apples in every group, really.

Alright, but you sound super worked up about some people trying to place blame on the Chinese/the Chinese government. Those people will soon realize that there's no one really to blame, unless you want to blame the typhoon for striking on the day of the finals or KeSPA's apparently poor planning/handling of the situation.

But really, it was just a bunch of unfortunate events all colliding into each other at the same time. :|

The government cancelling completely voluntary private business that harms no one, at a whim of their finger, with complete disregard for the forgone commerce it will cause. I think no matter what way you look at it, the facts remain the same: in absence of the action government currently took, the finals wouldve happened as planned, without problems. As such, it necessarily follows that any arguments of guilt existing outside the choice of government action, must be incorrect.


Unfortunately the games were cancelled was also there and we were already talked about this while waitign still hoping the games would start
if the typhoon struck and 5 ppl died because some projectors or other crap fell down from the stage the chinese government would be the one to blame... its only logical they cancelled :{
any responsible government woulda done so...

weather is still fine now tho at 11 pm... woulda been perfect for finals T_T
Liability is implied by action. Absent action, the concept of liability is absurd, meaningless. Hence a completely neutral government stance could not imply existance of government liability towards the hypothesis in question. It must instead be assumed that the action related to incident at hand, must be looked at as the causal root of liability.
Aah thats the stuff..
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 06 2011 15:00 GMT
#318
On August 06 2011 23:55 o[twist] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 23:44 Kaolla wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:47 xarthaz wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:53 Spica wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:49 hauton wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:47 Spica wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:46 hauton wrote:
On August 06 2011 18:43 Cedstick wrote:
On a little tangent, I always imagined the Korean forums would be generally more mannered and mature than others. Nope, the effects of the internet are universal, it seems XD

what?

Have you not heard how some of these progamers are often abused and berated by so-called "fans"?

Korean netizens have the same terrible manners as any other ethnicity, maybe even worse in some cases.

Add that with the cultural xenophobia that exists between Chinese/Japanese/Koreans and it's a hodgepodge of racist hyperbole about the bastard Chinese ruining everything.

Calm down man, no need to give off such a harsh tone.

And the Korean netizens are mostly laughing at "KeSPA's fail" rather than bashing the Chinese government.

Yeesh.

No offense intended, I'm not trying to incite anything. I'm just commenting on the phenomenon as it occurs on all sides. There's good and bad apples in every group, really.

Alright, but you sound super worked up about some people trying to place blame on the Chinese/the Chinese government. Those people will soon realize that there's no one really to blame, unless you want to blame the typhoon for striking on the day of the finals or KeSPA's apparently poor planning/handling of the situation.

But really, it was just a bunch of unfortunate events all colliding into each other at the same time. :|

The government cancelling completely voluntary private business that harms no one, at a whim of their finger, with complete disregard for the forgone commerce it will cause. I think no matter what way you look at it, the facts remain the same: in absence of the action government currently took, the finals wouldve happened as planned, without problems. As such, it necessarily follows that any arguments of guilt existing outside the choice of government action, must be incorrect.


Unfortunately the games were cancelled was also there and we were already talked about this while waitign still hoping the games would start
if the typhoon struck and 5 ppl died because some projectors or other crap fell down from the stage the chinese government would be the one to blame... its only logical they cancelled :{
any responsible government woulda done so...

weather is still fine now tho at 11 pm... woulda been perfect for finals T_T


it's probably the fault of kespa. they really should have checked with china once they knew there'd be a typhoon and made sure that it wouldn't be canceled. if there was a good chance of it being canceled, they should have preemptively canceled the shanghai excursion entirely, let people recoup their travel costs to a certain extent, not inconvenienced the players, coaches, and fans, and just held a more or less impromptu finals in busan or wherever.


yeah sure blame everything on kespa .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Enderbantoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States465 Posts
August 06 2011 15:07 GMT
#319
They really should have had a plan B, i was there, i flew from america (not only for this, but i am in shanghai for this, (staying in beijing)). And it really seemed like we were in the huge dark getting giant mixed signals from the people. I think the ONLY fault of kespa, is having absolutely no backup plan (an indoor venue they can move to, or something of that effect)
At the biggest upset of all of bw, Shanghai SPL finals 2011
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-06 15:17:29
August 06 2011 15:12 GMT
#320
On August 07 2011 00:07 Enderbantoo wrote:
They really should have had a plan B, i was there, i flew from america (not only for this, but i am in shanghai for this, (staying in beijing)). And it really seemed like we were in the huge dark getting giant mixed signals from the people. I think the ONLY fault of kespa, is having absolutely no backup plan (an indoor venue they can move to, or something of that effect)


How about i put you as a position in kespa shoes organizing the said event everything was going right until the 5th that is 2 days before proleague finals and tell you that oh you should cancel your event because typhoon is going to come and tear off your stage . Seriously unless you kespa is president of china or what so ever do you think they can generate resources over a limited that is given to them . I don't get it you guys were saying as though kespa knew months a go that a freaking freak typhoon is going to hit them on the 5th ,6th and on the 7th . Nobody was prepared to face this situation and I can tell you even though they may have some plan b seriously in shanghai are there any alternatives that have extra indoor halls for their event and to rent in a such a short time ? I don't think so .

Don't blame kespa and stop blaming everyone no was in fault in this kind of situation.
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