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On August 07 2011 00:12 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 00:07 Enderbantoo wrote:
They really should have had a plan B, i was there, i flew from america (not only for this, but i am in shanghai for this, (staying in beijing)). And it really seemed like we were in the huge dark getting giant mixed signals from the people. I think the ONLY fault of kespa, is having absolutely no backup plan (an indoor venue they can move to, or something of that effect) How about i put you as a position in kespa shoes organizing the said event everything was going right until the 5th that is 2 days before proleague finals and tell you that oh you should cancel your event because typhoon is going to come and tear off your stage . Seriously unless you kespa is president of china or what so ever do you think they can generate resources over a limited that is given to them . I don't get it you guys were saying as though kespa knew months a go that a freaking freak typhoon is going to hit them on the 5th ,6th and on the 7th . Nobody was prepared to face this situation and I can tell you even though they may have some plan b seriously in shanghai are there any alternatives that have extra indoor halls for their event and to rent in a such a short time ? I don't think so . Don't blame kespa and stop blaming everyone no was in fault in this kind of situation.
True. You cant really predict natural phenomenon.  So dont blame anyone.
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On August 06 2011 23:55 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 23:44 Kaolla wrote:On August 06 2011 22:47 xarthaz wrote:On August 06 2011 18:53 Spica wrote:On August 06 2011 18:49 hauton wrote:On August 06 2011 18:47 Spica wrote:On August 06 2011 18:46 hauton wrote:On August 06 2011 18:43 Cedstick wrote:
On a little tangent, I always imagined the Korean forums would be generally more mannered and mature than others. Nope, the effects of the internet are universal, it seems XD what? Have you not heard how some of these progamers are often abused and berated by so-called "fans"? Korean netizens have the same terrible manners as any other ethnicity, maybe even worse in some cases. Add that with the cultural xenophobia that exists between Chinese/Japanese/Koreans and it's a hodgepodge of racist hyperbole about the bastard Chinese ruining everything. Calm down man, no need to give off such a harsh tone. And the Korean netizens are mostly laughing at "KeSPA's fail" rather than bashing the Chinese government. Yeesh. No offense intended, I'm not trying to incite anything. I'm just commenting on the phenomenon as it occurs on all sides. There's good and bad apples in every group, really. Alright, but you sound super worked up about some people trying to place blame on the Chinese/the Chinese government. Those people will soon realize that there's no one really to blame, unless you want to blame the typhoon for striking on the day of the finals or KeSPA's apparently poor planning/handling of the situation. But really, it was just a bunch of unfortunate events all colliding into each other at the same time. :| The government cancelling completely voluntary private business that harms no one, at a whim of their finger, with complete disregard for the forgone commerce it will cause. I think no matter what way you look at it, the facts remain the same: in absence of the action government currently took, the finals wouldve happened as planned, without problems. As such, it necessarily follows that any arguments of guilt existing outside the choice of government action, must be incorrect. Unfortunately the games were cancelled was also there and we were already talked about this while waitign still hoping the games would start if the typhoon struck and 5 ppl died because some projectors or other crap fell down from the stage the chinese government would be the one to blame... its only logical they cancelled :{ any responsible government woulda done so... weather is still fine now tho at 11 pm... woulda been perfect for finals T_T it's probably the fault of kespa. they really should have checked with china once they knew there'd be a typhoon and made sure that it wouldn't be canceled. if there was a good chance of it being canceled, they should have preemptively canceled the shanghai excursion entirely, let people recoup their travel costs to a certain extent, not inconvenienced the players, coaches, and fans, and just held a more or less impromptu finals in busan or wherever.
I think it's too hard to determine this kinda stuff in advance.. I've only heard about this typhoon coming to shanghai first about 2 days ago ... now im not sure if meteorological stations know this info sooner than the public does, but if they don't there is no way they coulda known...
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On August 07 2011 00:18 MiraKul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 00:12 Sawamura wrote:On August 07 2011 00:07 Enderbantoo wrote:
They really should have had a plan B, i was there, i flew from america (not only for this, but i am in shanghai for this, (staying in beijing)). And it really seemed like we were in the huge dark getting giant mixed signals from the people. I think the ONLY fault of kespa, is having absolutely no backup plan (an indoor venue they can move to, or something of that effect) How about i put you as a position in kespa shoes organizing the said event everything was going right until the 5th that is 2 days before proleague finals and tell you that oh you should cancel your event because typhoon is going to come and tear off your stage . Seriously unless you kespa is president of china or what so ever do you think they can generate resources over a limited that is given to them . I don't get it you guys were saying as though kespa knew months a go that a freaking freak typhoon is going to hit them on the 5th ,6th and on the 7th . Nobody was prepared to face this situation and I can tell you even though they may have some plan b seriously in shanghai are there any alternatives that have extra indoor halls for their event and to rent in a such a short time ? I don't think so . Don't blame kespa and stop blaming everyone no was in fault in this kind of situation. True. You cant really predict natural phenomenon. So dont blame anyone.
I am not blaming anyone............
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I could blame KeSPA for not notifying fans of the warning from the government on the 5th (warning about incoming typhoon), but I'm not going to.
I could blame Chinese Government for cancelling an event due to typhoon, which did not affect the area at all, but I'm not going to.
I could blame KeSPA for picking Shanghai finals over the traditional GwangAnRi, giving 'fuck you' to many Korean fans, but I'm not going to.
In the end, I'm going to support SPL no matter what happened and happens. In the meanwhile, I'll just relax on my sofa and read fomos articles: main source that's killing BW atm: Blaming KeSPA and Chinese Government for above reasons, instead of showing support at hard times like this incident.
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So ya....does this mean that its canceled canceled for good or rescheduled?
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On August 07 2011 00:36 Trowabarton756 wrote:
So ya....does this mean that its canceled canceled for good or rescheduled?
rescheduled, you cant not have the finals!
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On August 07 2011 00:30 supernovamaniac wrote:
I could blame KeSPA for not notifying fans of the warning from the government on the 5th (warning about incoming typhoon), but I'm not going to.
I could blame Chinese Government for cancelling an event due to typhoon, which did not affect the area at all, but I'm not going to.
I could blame KeSPA for picking Shanghai finals over the traditional GwangAnRi, giving 'fuck you' to many Korean fans, but I'm not going to.
In the end, I'm going to support SPL no matter what happened and happens. In the meanwhile, I'll just relax on my sofa and read fomos articles: main source that's killing BW atm: Blaming KeSPA and Chinese Government for above reasons, instead of showing support at hard times like this incident.
I'm going to preface my comment: This is not a flame attack on you.
You can't blame KeSPA because they knew just as much as the public did in terms of cancellation. Nothing was going to be cancelled but there was a fair warning (code orange) that the public knew about. They didn't cancel because the fan turnout was so great and they knew rescheduling in shanghai again that year was a slim to none chance.
You can't blame the chinese government because if there is a possibility of one person getting injured due to the government not taking the right actions, it's not worth it. They can't read the typhoon's mind...
I'm sure it was held in shanghai with the best in mind to expand the popularity of esports. It's an unfortunate event that no one could predict so I don't think we can blame KeSPA at all..
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On August 06 2011 23:34 dhe95 wrote:I wanted to hear what flash had to announce 
Whatever it is, I hope it can wait until after the finals.
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On August 07 2011 05:13 rslee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 00:30 supernovamaniac wrote:
I could blame KeSPA for not notifying fans of the warning from the government on the 5th (warning about incoming typhoon), but I'm not going to.
I could blame Chinese Government for cancelling an event due to typhoon, which did not affect the area at all, but I'm not going to.
I could blame KeSPA for picking Shanghai finals over the traditional GwangAnRi, giving 'fuck you' to many Korean fans, but I'm not going to.
In the end, I'm going to support SPL no matter what happened and happens. In the meanwhile, I'll just relax on my sofa and read fomos articles: main source that's killing BW atm: Blaming KeSPA and Chinese Government for above reasons, instead of showing support at hard times like this incident. I'm going to preface my comment: This is not a flame attack on you. You can't blame KeSPA because they knew just as much as the public did in terms of cancellation. Nothing was going to be cancelled but there was a fair warning (code orange) that the public knew about. They didn't cancel because the fan turnout was so great and they knew rescheduling in shanghai again that year was a slim to none chance. You can't blame the chinese government because if there is a possibility of one person getting injured due to the government not taking the right actions, it's not worth it. They can't read the typhoon's mind... I'm sure it was held in shanghai with the best in mind to expand the popularity of esports. It's an unfortunate event that no one could predict so I don't think we can blame KeSPA at all..
I know it's not attacking me, and I do get your point. I just want to state few things:
KeSPA should have prepared better in this situation. It's not that I hate KeSPA for not making a backup plan in this particular situation; this has happened before in 2003. There was so much rain that they had to cancel/delay the finals. It's not their first time.
Usually public events aren't canceled until the rain actually falls, so you can also think (it depends on the person's perspective) that it was over-reaction by the Chinese government, especially with the train incident few weeks ago and Super Junior incident last year before the Korean Air Season 2 finals.
In the end, there are reasons to blame/not blame the organizations/government. I chose not to; I just think it was series of unfortunate events.
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On August 07 2011 05:13 rslee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 00:30 supernovamaniac wrote:
I could blame KeSPA for not notifying fans of the warning from the government on the 5th (warning about incoming typhoon), but I'm not going to.
I could blame Chinese Government for cancelling an event due to typhoon, which did not affect the area at all, but I'm not going to.
I could blame KeSPA for picking Shanghai finals over the traditional GwangAnRi, giving 'fuck you' to many Korean fans, but I'm not going to.
In the end, I'm going to support SPL no matter what happened and happens. In the meanwhile, I'll just relax on my sofa and read fomos articles: main source that's killing BW atm: Blaming KeSPA and Chinese Government for above reasons, instead of showing support at hard times like this incident. I'm sure it was held in shanghai with the best in mind to expand the popularity of esports. It's an unfortunate event that no one could predict so I don't think we can blame KeSPA at all..
Yes - This was an attempt by KeSPA to prolong BW's life (especially after the MBC news, you can't blame them. Also their sponsors wanted it too ).
Though I agree I'm not sure how hard it would be to reserve another venue just in case (outdoor events are prone to this stuff). It should have been done when they planned to host it outside.
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I'm sorry if someone has already answered this question but...
Did the typhoon ever happen?
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Damn you mother earth u won this round but global warming is winning us the WAR
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On August 08 2011 16:57 prototype. wrote:
I'm sorry if someone has already answered this question but...
Did the typhoon ever happen?
It didn't of course, just like 95% of the times when there's a typhoon alert in Shanghai.
There wasn't even rain, just a little wind so you wouldn't feel too warm. It was simply perfect.
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On August 08 2011 17:48 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 16:57 prototype. wrote:
I'm sorry if someone has already answered this question but...
Did the typhoon ever happen? It didn't of course, just like 95% of the times when there's a typhoon alert in Shanghai. There wasn't even rain, just a little wind so you wouldn't feel too warm. It was simply perfect.
I wish you were one of the government officials to give the decision whether to cancel or not
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On August 08 2011 17:48 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 16:57 prototype. wrote:
I'm sorry if someone has already answered this question but...
Did the typhoon ever happen? It didn't of course, just like 95% of the times when there's a typhoon alert in Shanghai. There wasn't even rain, just a little wind so you wouldn't feel too warm. It was simply perfect.
I guess Kespa was really worried, that the gentle breeze might mess up Bisu's hair. lol
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On August 08 2011 20:21 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 17:48 endy wrote:On August 08 2011 16:57 prototype. wrote:
I'm sorry if someone has already answered this question but...
Did the typhoon ever happen? It didn't of course, just like 95% of the times when there's a typhoon alert in Shanghai. There wasn't even rain, just a little wind so you wouldn't feel too warm. It was simply perfect. I guess Kespa was really worried, that the gentle breeze might mess up Bisu's hair. lol
it wasn't kespa who made the pullout it was the chinese officials who were afraid a freaking freak typhoon that is going to land upon their beloved land and citizen .
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They made the right call, even if there is a 5% chance or even a 1% that the typhoon hits the fan.
Better safe thens orry.
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On August 08 2011 20:31 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 20:21 Telcontar wrote:On August 08 2011 17:48 endy wrote:On August 08 2011 16:57 prototype. wrote:
I'm sorry if someone has already answered this question but...
Did the typhoon ever happen? It didn't of course, just like 95% of the times when there's a typhoon alert in Shanghai. There wasn't even rain, just a little wind so you wouldn't feel too warm. It was simply perfect. I guess Kespa was really worried, that the gentle breeze might mess up Bisu's hair. lol it wasn't kespa who made the pullout it was the chinese officials who were afraid a freaking freak typhoon that is going to land upon their beloved land and citizen .
I was just joshing. Chill out man.
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Actually the typhoon was a big one but at the last minute it suddenly changed course and went north. Other parts of China that it hit and is hitting right now are suffering some serious damages. Just saw some footage today and holy shit.
Shanghai govt officials made the right call imo. It just sucked that PL finals got postponed because of it.
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So when will the finals be played now? Did they already announce a new date?
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