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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 02 2011 04:45 GMT
#141
On August 02 2011 09:21 lizzard_warish wrote:
Am I the only one who doesnt give even two shits about the KESPA ranking? It's beyond horrible.


Then why are you posting in the thread about it? Clearly you hold some interest and care in it.
Remember Violet.
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
August 02 2011 05:27 GMT
#142
On August 02 2011 13:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 09:21 lizzard_warish wrote:
Am I the only one who doesnt give even two shits about the KESPA ranking? It's beyond horrible.


Then why are you posting in the thread about it? Clearly you hold some interest and care in it.


I like it a lot more than ELO.

Fanboys want to believe that Bisu is actually doing better than Zero and Hydra. Nah, not true.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 05:33:52
August 02 2011 05:33 GMT
#143
Elo = actual success in terms of games won / loss against certain players
KeSPA = general league success, winning an overall series matters more

KeSPA is also slower to update, while Elo is instant.

It's preference really. i prefer Elo; Bisu is demolishing Proleague and has a 75% win rate, he's doing just as well as Flash this year.
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
August 02 2011 06:09 GMT
#144
On August 02 2011 14:33 rift wrote:
Elo = actual success in terms of games won / loss against certain players
KeSPA = general league success, winning an overall series matters more

KeSPA is also slower to update, while Elo is instant.

It's preference really. i prefer Elo; Bisu is demolishing Proleague and has a 75% win rate, he's doing just as well as Flash this year.

well the fact that hes demolishing proleague but yet failing in individual leagues does not make him any better than the top four ranking imo. All of them have general success in proleague and also maintaining a decent progress in individual leagues.~

i find KeSPA ranking more reliable. :/
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nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
August 02 2011 06:28 GMT
#145
On August 01 2011 17:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
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On August 01 2011 17:14 darkemperor wrote:
Bisu bias is mindblowing as always. What does this kid have to do? Win 150 games in proleague? He should be over Jaedong already.


It is absolutely impossible for Kespa Ranking to be biased, as it acts on a completely strict formula.


But that algorithm was designed with a bias against Bisu since it counts OSL

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Svennedude
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium86 Posts
August 20 2011 18:51 GMT
#146
Wow, somoene other than Flash in the top 10 from the team KT :O
ggggbabybabybaby
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada304 Posts
August 20 2011 18:59 GMT
#147
When was the last time Jaedong was 3rd Zerg?

Slumpy McSlumperson.
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 23:46:15
August 20 2011 23:44 GMT
#148
On August 21 2011 03:59 ggggbabybabybaby wrote:
When was the last time Jaedong was 3rd Zerg?

Slumpy McSlumperson.


Way too harsh, this is more a result of others catching up than JD failing. I'd really contend anyone claiming that he is performing below 80% of his historical potential. With the exception of Effort JD has been the only zerg to be able to achieve things for way too long. And now 5 Z's in the top 10. If anything this is a demonstration of the newly found strength of the race.

Zerg power supreme.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 20 2011 23:48 GMT
#149
Stats #10!
Flash back on top, all is well in the world <3

JD narrowly behind 2nd 3rd place :T
:)
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
August 20 2011 23:58 GMT
#150
Jaedong 4th? What the fuck....

Forever your fan Jaedong!
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
August 21 2011 00:05 GMT
#151
Flash :D
And Stats in top 10. awesome.
Learn,live and love it.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
August 21 2011 00:20 GMT
#152
On August 21 2011 08:44 hellbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 03:59 ggggbabybabybaby wrote:
When was the last time Jaedong was 3rd Zerg?

Slumpy McSlumperson.


Way too harsh, this is more a result of others catching up than JD failing. I'd really contend anyone claiming that he is performing below 80% of his historical potential. With the exception of Effort JD has been the only zerg to be able to achieve things for way too long. And now 5 Z's in the top 10. If anything this is a demonstration of the newly found strength of the race.

Zerg power supreme.

It feels like theres been 5 zergs in the top 10 for a long time. I remember always seeing JD, Effort, Zero, Kwanro, and Calm in there about a year ago.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3620 Posts
August 21 2011 00:44 GMT
#153
On August 02 2011 14:33 rift wrote:
Elo = actual success in terms of games won / loss against certain players
KeSPA = general league success, winning an overall series matters more

KeSPA is also slower to update, while Elo is instant.

It's preference really. i prefer Elo; Bisu is demolishing Proleague and has a 75% win rate, he's doing just as well as Flash this year.


ELO favors PL because PL has more games played. Not only that, but almost no one in Starleagues matches the top players' PL win-rates, both because of the caliber of the competition and because of the format.

KeSPA ranking favors the Starleagues at least a little bit, and mostly because it's designed to do so.

While both have issues, I feel that overall KeSPA is the most equitable in terms of representing "results" (league wins as well as PL play) since the SC scene is hybrid, while ELO is better at representing what might be called either "quality of play" or "consistency".
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 01:12:13
August 21 2011 01:12 GMT
#154
(-_(-_(-_(^_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-) CJ Fighting! "Beer -> soju -> whisky is a terrible build"~~ Scrarecrow.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
August 21 2011 01:22 GMT
#155
I guess theres no surprise
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hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
August 21 2011 01:25 GMT
#156
On August 21 2011 09:20 Bibbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 08:44 hellbound wrote:
On August 21 2011 03:59 ggggbabybabybaby wrote:
When was the last time Jaedong was 3rd Zerg?

Slumpy McSlumperson.


Way too harsh, this is more a result of others catching up than JD failing. I'd really contend anyone claiming that he is performing below 80% of his historical potential. With the exception of Effort JD has been the only zerg to be able to achieve things for way too long. And now 5 Z's in the top 10. If anything this is a demonstration of the newly found strength of the race.

Zerg power supreme.

It feels like theres been 5 zergs in the top 10 for a long time. I remember always seeing JD, Effort, Zero, Kwanro, and Calm in there about a year ago.


Ok, how about 3 zergs in the top 4 then?
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 01:25:56
August 21 2011 01:25 GMT
#157
I feel like all stork has done recently is lose... why is he ahead of Fantasy?

Edit: nvm just read through the thread... has been discussed already
Jaedong.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
August 21 2011 01:52 GMT
#158
On August 21 2011 10:25 hellbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 09:20 Bibbit wrote:
On August 21 2011 08:44 hellbound wrote:
On August 21 2011 03:59 ggggbabybabybaby wrote:
When was the last time Jaedong was 3rd Zerg?

Slumpy McSlumperson.


Way too harsh, this is more a result of others catching up than JD failing. I'd really contend anyone claiming that he is performing below 80% of his historical potential. With the exception of Effort JD has been the only zerg to be able to achieve things for way too long. And now 5 Z's in the top 10. If anything this is a demonstration of the newly found strength of the race.

Zerg power supreme.

It feels like theres been 5 zergs in the top 10 for a long time. I remember always seeing JD, Effort, Zero, Kwanro, and Calm in there about a year ago.


Ok, how about 3 zergs in the top 4 then?

Heh, yeah thats pretty good. =)
1a2a3a[MB]
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States297 Posts
August 21 2011 03:07 GMT
#159
WoW Jangbi +12 good job
RIP Teams Hwaseung OZ, WeMadeFox, MBC Game Hero, Air Force ACE, ZeNEX, SlayerS, Quantic-Vile, TSL, mTw
djbhINDI
Profile Joined June 2011
United States372 Posts
August 21 2011 06:06 GMT
#160
Anyone who claims that Terran is OP should be directed to this list.
You can't emphasize enough how much you need to be a paradigm shifter. - Savior
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