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Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
July 05 2011 22:02 GMT
#161
Jaedong is the best!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D::D:D
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
July 05 2011 22:03 GMT
#162
On July 06 2011 04:00 dRaW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 19:01 anatem wrote:
On July 05 2011 16:26 infinity2k9 wrote:
Dong is the king now and forever. Mentally toughest, mechanically strongest Starcraft player ever.

NaDa's accomplishments never real feel as impressive to me as maybe they should, simply because they were from a different era of objectively inferior play. For Football fans it's like Real Madrid in the 50's, they were just crushing everyone but it was a whole different game back then. They are still respected for their awards but they don't even come into the discussion compared to today's Barcelona or some of the 80's and 90's teams (AC Milan with Marco Van Basten comes to mind).

Flash and Jaedong feel like the real deal for me. Just watch one of the Coca-Cola starleagues that recently went up on nevake if you want a laugh compared to current BW. NaDa advanced ahead a bit quicker than everyone else and crushed everyone for a period. But does it fee like Flash's ridiculous peak recently? It's not the same to me. And not just bias because NaDa left for SC2, because he was a great player even right up until he left.

Number of titles never feels like the right measure of skill anyway when you have so many Starleagues were arguably the better player lost or it just had a weird bracket. Let's rate them by their play at their best. Jaedong in ZvT at his best is the best ZvT ever in the game, his ZvP when practiced and at his peak is almost unbeatable, and he redefined ZvZ skill to the point where he had the highest win ratio in any matchup.


your entire analogy crumbles to the counterexample of Pele vs. Messi.

different does not necessarily mean easier, simpler versus more complex is the better and more precise association, but even for that there's an argument for and against relevance.

you should glorify Nada.

but you should also put Jaedong up there with him, and Flash above.

the analogy here is better taken from from tennis: Bjorn Borg as Nada vs. Nadal as JD, with Federer as Flash, taken from 09-10, before Federer's smooth decline out of the no.1. spot;

with time, JD will be better remembered for his rivalry with Flash and the fact that he occasionally was no.1, slowing the legend down from his complete domination, and scoring a couple records of his own, and less for how "good" he was. it's how sports history works through the minds of the fans when achievements become memories and statistics.

people who were there though will always talk about the unforgettable matches that happened, but realistically the names JD or Bisu will never carry the same weight of Nada or Flash in esports history years from now, even if they will always be up there being brought up with the likes of oov and savior.



Wouldn't Flash be Nadal? the younger and better player...



Would be however Federer is the player that has the most grand-slams, surpassing Sampras' record last year
Menzies
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand129 Posts
July 05 2011 22:07 GMT
#163
Congrats Dong!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D
Never ever ever give up. Impossible is nothing
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 05 2011 22:45 GMT
#164
On July 06 2011 07:00 revy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 05:31 erin[go]bragh wrote:
On July 06 2011 03:04 Sypuku wrote:
On July 06 2011 02:58 revy wrote:
Don't you find it annoying when in the Flash threads people come in and say dumb stuff about Flash?


No, i don't. It's just funny because we have facts. Facts > opinions.

On July 06 2011 02:58 revy wrote:
How do you think other people feel when there is a thread for that gamer and you come in saying "Flash>All". It's just not cool.


Flash>All It's the fact. And this fact isn't cool for Jaedong funs, i agree with it.


If I were a Flash fan, I'd be embarrassed by you.


I am. =/

Me too.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
July 06 2011 00:34 GMT
#165
On July 06 2011 05:32 cujo2k wrote:
I think Leta having 23 ace wins is more surprising ;o

well the former ace did retire
so he had the spot open for him + he was used to it in hite
only now he isnt in a team that only he does the job
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3721 Posts
July 06 2011 01:01 GMT
#166
On July 05 2011 14:29 mizU wrote:
Jaedong forever! :D
Until Flash beats it. T.T



well that could take some time if it does happen since Flash wrist isnt up to par
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Arterial
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1039 Posts
July 06 2011 01:39 GMT
#167
On July 05 2011 15:15 Coriolis wrote:
It wouldn't be Jaedong's Body, it would be Jaedong's Dong.

No.

It'd be Jae's Dong.
savior & jaedong
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
July 06 2011 01:43 GMT
#168
I don't like Zerg but Jaedong has earned respect of haters and T1 fans alike. Congrats Jaedong!
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Rickly
Profile Joined May 2009
United States18 Posts
July 07 2011 05:58 GMT
#169
Man! JD is so tantalizingly close to being on equal footing with Flash. I KNOW he he can do it! He just needs to continue his recent pace into the individual leagues and DESTROY ALL!

However, much respect to both Flash and JD (and Nada, who is still EPIC in my eyes)!
BW is God!
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
July 07 2011 06:47 GMT
#170
On July 06 2011 07:45 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 07:00 revy wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:31 erin[go]bragh wrote:
On July 06 2011 03:04 Sypuku wrote:
On July 06 2011 02:58 revy wrote:
Don't you find it annoying when in the Flash threads people come in and say dumb stuff about Flash?


No, i don't. It's just funny because we have facts. Facts > opinions.

On July 06 2011 02:58 revy wrote:
How do you think other people feel when there is a thread for that gamer and you come in saying "Flash>All". It's just not cool.


Flash>All It's the fact. And this fact isn't cool for Jaedong funs, i agree with it.


If I were a Flash fan, I'd be embarrassed by you.


I am. =/

Me too.

I'm not embarrassed because I don't consider him to be a Flash fan. Just look at his posts, it looks to me like someone trolling with an alternate account.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 07 2011 06:57 GMT
#171
omg, im happy for him ^_^

go JD, diamond mouse now flash is outa the way
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
July 07 2011 07:39 GMT
#172
On July 07 2011 15:47 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 07:45 Holgerius wrote:
On July 06 2011 07:00 revy wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:31 erin[go]bragh wrote:
On July 06 2011 03:04 Sypuku wrote:
On July 06 2011 02:58 revy wrote:
Don't you find it annoying when in the Flash threads people come in and say dumb stuff about Flash?


No, i don't. It's just funny because we have facts. Facts > opinions.

On July 06 2011 02:58 revy wrote:
How do you think other people feel when there is a thread for that gamer and you come in saying "Flash>All". It's just not cool.


Flash>All It's the fact. And this fact isn't cool for Jaedong funs, i agree with it.


If I were a Flash fan, I'd be embarrassed by you.


I am. =/

Me too.

I'm not embarrassed because I don't consider him to be a Flash fan. Just look at his posts, it looks to me like someone trolling with an alternate account.


I agree. Maybe gg.nore trying to stir up some more trouble?
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
July 07 2011 07:44 GMT
#173
On July 07 2011 16:39 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 15:47 J1.au wrote:
On July 06 2011 07:45 Holgerius wrote:
On July 06 2011 07:00 revy wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:31 erin[go]bragh wrote:
On July 06 2011 03:04 Sypuku wrote:
On July 06 2011 02:58 revy wrote:
Don't you find it annoying when in the Flash threads people come in and say dumb stuff about Flash?


No, i don't. It's just funny because we have facts. Facts > opinions.

On July 06 2011 02:58 revy wrote:
How do you think other people feel when there is a thread for that gamer and you come in saying "Flash>All". It's just not cool.


Flash>All It's the fact. And this fact isn't cool for Jaedong funs, i agree with it.


If I were a Flash fan, I'd be embarrassed by you.


I am. =/

Me too.

I'm not embarrassed because I don't consider him to be a Flash fan. Just look at his posts, it looks to me like someone trolling with an alternate account.


I agree. Maybe gg.nore trying to stir up some more trouble?

Nah, he wouldn't disguise himself to be a fan of another player. He may be loud sometimes, but at least he is really honest.
WickedServant
Profile Joined July 2011
3 Posts
July 07 2011 08:09 GMT
#174
I hope he keeps going.
Jaedong > Flash > Bisu > Jaedong. Perfection.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 09:32:12
July 07 2011 08:42 GMT
#175
On July 07 2011 16:44 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 16:39 tomatriedes wrote:
On July 07 2011 15:47 J1.au wrote:
On July 06 2011 07:45 Holgerius wrote:
On July 06 2011 07:00 revy wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:31 erin[go]bragh wrote:
On July 06 2011 03:04 Sypuku wrote:
On July 06 2011 02:58 revy wrote:
Don't you find it annoying when in the Flash threads people come in and say dumb stuff about Flash?


No, i don't. It's just funny because we have facts. Facts > opinions.

On July 06 2011 02:58 revy wrote:
How do you think other people feel when there is a thread for that gamer and you come in saying "Flash>All". It's just not cool.


Flash>All It's the fact. And this fact isn't cool for Jaedong funs, i agree with it.


If I were a Flash fan, I'd be embarrassed by you.


I am. =/

Me too.

I'm not embarrassed because I don't consider him to be a Flash fan. Just look at his posts, it looks to me like someone trolling with an alternate account.


I agree. Maybe gg.nore trying to stir up some more trouble?

Nah, he wouldn't disguise himself to be a fan of another player. He may be loud sometimes, but at least he is really honest.


I'm pretty sure one of his alts, whiterabb1t, was a 'bisu fan'. HE had an SKT tag.

Edit- An example of a whiterabb1t post-


Couldnt be more wrong! Bisu alone could wreck the entire CJ! haha


And I'm not really sure how you could call someone who had so many alt accounts honest.
Harmonious
Profile Joined December 2010
179 Posts
July 07 2011 09:22 GMT
#176
On July 05 2011 16:26 infinity2k9 wrote:
And not just bias because NaDa left for SC2, because he was a great player even right up until he left.


Don't know if you follow sc2, but Nada is a gosu there. Innovative and mechanically strong. His last GSL attempt was awesome.
mansa
Profile Joined May 2011
Philippines336 Posts
July 07 2011 12:00 GMT
#177
Gratz Jaedong!

@Harmonious
Nada is also on doing his school right?
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 07 2011 12:10 GMT
#178
On July 07 2011 18:22 Harmonious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 16:26 infinity2k9 wrote:
And not just bias because NaDa left for SC2, because he was a great player even right up until he left.


Don't know if you follow sc2, but Nada is a gosu there. Innovative and mechanically strong. His last GSL attempt was awesome.


NaDa has never won any GSL title but he's probably the most consistent Code S player or terran for that matter.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 00:08:17
July 07 2011 12:13 GMT
#179
Sypuku
Profile Joined December 2010
Russian Federation20 Posts
July 07 2011 20:12 GMT
#180
Notable fact:
Only Stork have more losses (245) than Jaedong (208) from nowadays playing gamers...

So Jaedong is really close to be the "Most losing player in BW" right now.
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