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On June 23 2011 23:38 Motivate wrote:
wow even as a zero/JD fan i cannot believe how people cannot put their fan bias aside when discussing issues like these. this is someone's health, and when he brings it up people are so quick to trash him about it. pretty hilarious how anti-flash this forum is.
i wonder if the koreans think the same thing about flash as most of you do.
From my perspective, the most "anti-X" sentiment in TL is anti-Bisu 
It hurt my heart to see people dissing Bisu all the time
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Look, its not about bringing it up. Its no problem that flash brought up the wrist issue, in fact it was somewhat expected. The problem is WHEN he brought it up. As Vader said, it was exactly at the WORST possible time. The timing left no doubt: it was an excuse for the loss. And not giving props to winner, especially with it being the hardest matchup in brood war, is n o t cool.
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On June 23 2011 23:44 xarthaz wrote:
Look, its not about bringing it up. Its no problem that flash brought up the wrist issue, in fact it was somewhat expected. The problem is WHEN he brought it up. As Vader said, it was exactly at the WORST possible time. The timing left no doubt: it was an excuse for the loss. And not giving props to winner, especially with it being the hardest matchup in brood war, is n o t cool.
where did he say or even imply "i lost because of my wrist"? the timing is an interview.
and hardest match up in broodwar is subjective.
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So much hate in this thread
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tWjWe.jpg)
A little luv please.
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On June 23 2011 23:54 Kipsate wrote:So much hate in this thread A little luv please.
wtf, the face expression is not very polite, when you're standing next to the greatest -_-
Flash is not looking at JD, and is not smiling back!!!
(ololol oh, I'm just fooling around, a nice pic thanks)
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^ JD and flash are like buddies, yet us fans constantly bicker. ^
thanks for the interview! Hoping for a steady recovery from Flash, and continued domination from JD 
EDIT: mistakes
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On June 23 2011 23:44 xarthaz wrote:
Look, its not about bringing it up. Its no problem that flash brought up the wrist issue, in fact it was somewhat expected. The problem is WHEN he brought it up. As Vader said, it was exactly at the WORST possible time. The timing left no doubt: it was an excuse for the loss. And not giving props to winner, especially with it being the hardest matchup in brood war, is n o t cool.
Hardest matchup? Statistically it would be PvZ. Why would the timing leave no doubt? Vader read too much between the lines and assumed motivation and intent that was not provable from a few translated sentences.
Again, too much is being put into Flash's mouth; too much is being assumed from his demeanor. And in the history of his career he has never been one to make excuses for losses (reasons =/= excuses). Comparatively, Bisu whines more, and I resent it when people say he does because I think he's just being honest as well (has there ever been a shy-er S-class player?).
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gotta love how JD's like
'oh i think i wanna win a SL, so i will.'
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According to my latest deep research ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=233550 ) it is. But that is kind of off topic, so ill rest my case.On June 23 2011 23:47 Motivate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 23:44 xarthaz wrote:
Look, its not about bringing it up. Its no problem that flash brought up the wrist issue, in fact it was somewhat expected. The problem is WHEN he brought it up. As Vader said, it was exactly at the WORST possible time. The timing left no doubt: it was an excuse for the loss. And not giving props to winner, especially with it being the hardest matchup in brood war, is n o t cool. where did he say or even imply "i lost because of my wrist"? the timing is an interview. and hardest match up in broodwar is subjective.
On June 24 2011 00:13 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 23:44 xarthaz wrote:
Look, its not about bringing it up. Its no problem that flash brought up the wrist issue, in fact it was somewhat expected. The problem is WHEN he brought it up. As Vader said, it was exactly at the WORST possible time. The timing left no doubt: it was an excuse for the loss. And not giving props to winner, especially with it being the hardest matchup in brood war, is n o t cool. Hardest matchup? Statistically it would be PvZ. Why would the timing leave no doubt? Vader read too much between the lines and assumed motivation and intent that was not provable from a few translated sentences. Again, too much is being put into Flash's mouth; too much is being assumed from his demeanor. And in the history of his career he has never been one to make excuses for losses (reasons =/= excuses). Comparatively, Bisu whines more, and I resent it when people say he does because I think he's just being honest as well (has there ever been a shy-er S-class player?).
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On June 23 2011 23:38 Motivate wrote:
wow even as a zero/JD fan i cannot believe how people cannot put their fan bias aside when discussing issues like these. this is someone's health, and when he brings it up people are so quick to trash him about it. pretty hilarious how anti-flash this forum is.
i wonder if the koreans think the same thing
Indeed, I also wonder why is Flash so hated on TL. It seems like he is the most hated progamer by far. Sometimes people like Shine take temporarily the number 1 position, but in no time the hate train is back on Flash.
The wrist problem is only flavour of the month hate. People hated him for cheesing, turtling, playing terran, being arrogant, being bland with no personality and now for being honest about his health problems. I'm sure if Flash solved the world hunger and brough peace to middle east, people would hate him even for that lol.
Sometimes I wish mods were stricter about it. But then again, it's so much sweeter when Flash wins yet another title and shuts all those haters up.
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Well well, I usually check back a couple times after I post a translation for feedback and corrections. I want to constantly improve the quality and accuracy of my translations, and it's good to see that TL people (international) have various additional comments regarding the interview. For the most part, I've seen much better responses/replies here than on the sources (DES, and Fomos in the past), but I can't quite say that for this one.
Regarding the issue where Flash brought up the wrist issue before he was directly asked:
- strictly speaking, he did bring it up before he was directly asked about it. From both DES and Fomos interviews (the latter of which I will not quote because... you know), that question is the 4th one asked and the previous three questions do not bring up the wrist problem yet.
- the point of the question (Q#4) is to hear about Flash's thoughts on playing intensely until the very end when the game seemed lost from the beginning. Watch the entire VOD if you must.
- the point of the answer to Q#4, from what I gather from the two sources, is that he kept playing despite knowing that he'll probably lose at the end - because he wanted to be warmed up and focused for the final set that he would play against winner of Hyun vs. Bogus.
- he mentions that it was difficult to find his usual game sense and says that the hand/wrist/arm problem was the main reason.
- in the Fomos interview, Q#5, Flash mentions that he took Tylenol for the first time ever.
Apologies for any misunderstandings. If you have any further questions, feel free to message me and I'll read over the interview again to clarify to the best of my abilities.
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On June 24 2011 00:02 slappy wrote:^ JD and flash are like buddies, yet us fans constantly bicker. ^ thanks for the interview! Hoping for a steady recovery from Flash, and continued domination from JD EDIT: mistakes
Thank god Koka-kola isn't a Jaedong-fan. I've only seen him hating on players so far.
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I feel bad for Bogus - dude deserved a group that mere mortals had a chance of advancing from >__>
Maybe next season
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On June 24 2011 02:44 Crunchums wrote:
I feel bad for Bogus - dude deserved a group that mere mortals had a chance of advancing from >__>
Maybe next season
I agree with this, he's a quite interesting players and I would've loved to see more from him in OSL.
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What does Flash actually have, carpal tunnel? I hope he takes a few weeks off.
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On June 24 2011 03:06 Deletrious wrote:
What does Flash actually have, carpal tunnel? I hope he takes a few weeks off.
He doesn't have carpal tunnel because he said he has no nerve damage.
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+ Show Spoiler +- Where are the interviews?
- They're up at DES
- DES where?
- DES nuts, nigga
Loving the picture & Thanks for the translations. I hope Flash can regain his form and isn't too hurt by the muscle tension. Flash & Jaedong really outplayed the other two guys.
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I didn't know that Flash's wrists were such in a bad shape again, I hope he can recover as soon as possible.
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he's not blaming bad play on wrist... hes just saying it's hindering his play, and is a serious issue... getting a wrist injury as a gamer, or in even any other sport is a serious deal and should not be met with ridicule
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Uh lol incase people don't know, what I posted was actually an old picture  .
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