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[Interview] MSL Ro4 Day 2 Winner

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kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 11:27:16
June 02 2011 14:15 GMT
#1
Speed translation, from chinese text, taken from http://sc.plu.cn/note/2011-06-02/29518.html, picture was from fomos so I will not copy it. Not sure if translating from chinese site contradicts the fomos ban thing so mods please close if necessary.
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picture thanks to infinitestory

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Q 两赛季之后回归决赛的感言
Q what are your feelings at coming back to the finals after two seasons
A 虽然这段时间不算长,但在我心中已经是很长的时间了。我备受指责说我竞技力
不如从前,我很高兴现在能让我摆脱这种指责了。
A even though this is not a long period of time, it feels like forever to
me. I've been criticized as not being as good as my past self, so I am very
happy that I can escape that criticism for now.

Q 上赛季止步32强赛让你感触良多.
Q how did you feel after last season's finish in the round of 32
A 好久没有进决赛了,我很激动。现在就像是第一次进决赛的感觉。好想快点打决
赛啊。
A It's been a long time since I've been to the finals, I'm very excited.
Right now I feel like its my first time going to a finals. I really want
to play the finals match right now

Q 4强赛是怎么准备的
Q how did you prepare for the semi-finals
A 我的手伤越来越严重了,所以上周我好好休息了一下,本周开始进行了3~4天的努
力练习。我一点都没休息,我努力地练习练到手都要断了。
A my wrist injury has been getting worse and worse, so I rested a lot last
week, starting this week I began a 3-4 day hard practice. I didn't rest
one bit, I put in a lot of effort and practiced till my hands were falling
off.

Q 上一场半决赛jaedong出局你是否遗憾
Q in the first semifinal group Jaedong lost, do you regret that?
A 总觉得很不好受。我无法用语言表达。我希望在决赛中遇到的宿敌jaedong桑苏输
了,感觉就像我自己输掉一样不好受。jaedong桑苏是优秀的选手,我觉得他总有一
天能重新打进决赛。
A I feel a bit uncomfortable with it. I can't really express it with words.
The Jaedong-hyun that I wished to meet in the finals has lost, the feeling
is just as bad as if I had lost personally. Jaedong-hyun is an excellent
progamer, I believe that one day he will definately make the finals again.


Q 和hydra的比赛取得了压倒性的胜利,对于比赛有什么感受.
Q You had an overwhelming victory against Hydra, what are your feelings.
A 我觉得对此没啥好说的。在竞技力方面很满意。我对hydra桑苏的竞技力还不是很
了解,所以没啥好说的。
A I don't really have a lot to say about this. I'm very satisfied with these
games. I still don't completely understand the way Hydra-hyun plays, so
I have no comment right now.

Q 决赛又要遇到Z,信心有多少
Q The finals is going to be another Z, how confident are you
A 虽说是有信心的,但是我还是觉得是五五开。我看了一下决赛的地图,虽然没有
对人族不利的图,但也没有对人族有利的图。前段时间我的手情况不好, 但昨天手
上的感觉又回来了,我会努力在下周打出精彩的比赛。
A even though I'm confident, I still have to say its a 50-50 chance. I saw
the maps for the finals, even though there's no maps that are unfriendly
for terran, there are no maps that greatly favor terran either. Recently
my hand's condition was not good, but yesterday the feelings in my hands
returned, I will work hard to bring exciting games next week.

Q 现在手伤的情况如何了
Q what is the condition of your hands right now?
A 据说医院已经治不了了。但是也说没有大的问题。我尽量在没有比赛的时候多多
休息,之后有时间我必须好好治疗一下了。
A Allegedly doctors can no longer completely cure it. But they also say
that it is not a huge problem right now. I am trying hard during the times
that there are no games to rest a lot, after this when I have time I need
to seriously treat it.

Q 你觉得决赛的比分会是多少
Q what do you think the score will be for the finals
A 我预计是3:1或是3:2。
A I predict either a 3:1 or 3:2.

Q 想说的话.
Q anything more you wish to say?
A 能进决赛我感到很骄傲。尝到了如此骄傲的滋味,我要比备战半决赛的时候更加
努力,要打出精彩的比赛让对手觉得“这个桑苏真的非常努力呀。”
A I'm very proud to be able to enter the finals. To savor such a flavor,
I need to prepare for this even more than I did for the semi-finals, to
play such exciting games that it makes the opponent say "this hyun* really
put in effort for this."

*TN:not sure about this part now that i think about it, its just a term to refer to someone else with respect I think

http://sc.plu.cn/


Main points to note:
Apparently flash's wrists are incurable, this may be a clock counting down to when flash may be forced to retire, as such lets root for this player who overcomes personal injury in order to deliver exciting BW for us to watch, whether you be a flash fan or not.

EDIT: from page 4
On June 03 2011 05:53 koreasilver wrote:
Ah, disciple was talking about the translation from the Chinese interview. I thought he was talking about the post-game MSL interview. But you were still way too hasty.

MSL post-game interview - the one Moktira linked to in the second post of the thread.

Commentator: Flash

Flash: Yes?

Commentator:Congratulations on getting into the finals. How do you feel?

Flash: Pardon?

Commentator: How do you feel about your win?

Flash: Well, first of all, although it's only been a few months, it feels like it's been quite a long time since I've been in a finals. I really practiced like it was life or death. I'll practice until my arms fall off for the finals.

Commentator: You won the first game convincingly but the second game gave you some trouble. It seems like you smiled brightly when you won the game in reflection of how the game was so hard won. What were you thinking in the midst of the game?

Flash: I was thinking a bit about the third game. I was thinking, "I shouldn't put myself in such a position in the third game". I was already doing a bit of mind control [preparing not to be mentally shaken after a loss] but the game progressed and I was able to make a comeback. When I won the game I was certain that I would advance to the finals.

Commentator: Many of your fans are looking forward to you winning the gold badge. Your opponent in the finals is Zero, what do you think about this?

Flash: When it comes to management, I think he is the top Zerg. Generally if the game becomes management vs management I am confident I will win, but when it comes to Zero I can't be certain about the outcome. That's how strong of a player he is.

Commentator: Your semifinals was a ZvT and so will the finals. It seems like this would give you some trouble when it comes to gameplan and strategies. Is there anything you'd like to say to Zero? Like a declaration of war.

Flash: I really didn't like how I was playing TvZ over and over again this MSL. When I played TvZ, I felt like my skills were really deteriorated. When I practiced I would think, "ah, how did I become like this?" So this time I really practiced until my arm swelled up. Right now I managed to bring up my skills really high. If I bring the ability I have right now to the finals, even though my opponent might be Zero, I think I can win.

Commentator: Is there anything you'd like to say to your fans? Any promises and thanks you'd like to give?

Flash I really practiced until I was going to go crazy, so my arm hurts a lot right now. But every time I thought of the fans and remembered how I was knocked out early in the last tournament. I really practiced like my arm was going to break, and I'll practice even harder for the finals.






moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1543 Posts
June 02 2011 14:18 GMT
#2
Flash's post match interview is here if someone could translate that maybe:

If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
June 02 2011 14:25 GMT
#3
Yeah, looks like Flash knows he will retire soon. That's why he is pushing himself so hard. Want to end it in a good way.
HickleStine
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia276 Posts
June 02 2011 14:28 GMT
#4
flash fighting! I hope he does the smart thing after the finals and takes a rest to recover as much as he can.
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
June 02 2011 14:30 GMT
#5
poor flash :/
please recover and give us more great games!!!
FTD
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
June 02 2011 14:30 GMT
#6
O_O uncurable!? gogogogo leeyoungho fighting!
Writer
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 14:33:11
June 02 2011 14:32 GMT
#7
Noooo Flash-
gogogo I still hope your wrists are good enough for the finals

You need to get cybernetic hands ASAP.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Xinliben
Profile Joined May 2009
United States931 Posts
June 02 2011 14:32 GMT
#8
"this hyun really
put in effort for this."

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"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery"
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 14:37:45
June 02 2011 14:32 GMT
#9
I like how he tries to put it lightly that he doesn't understand the way Hydra plays instead of just saying he was rubbish tonight haha

I don't get this part though
Allegedly doctors can no longer completely cure it. But they also say
that it is not a huge problem right now. I am trying hard during the times
that there are no games to rest a lot, after this when I have time I need
to seriously treat it.

What does he mean seriously treat it? Why isn't he seriously treating it now before it gets worst and irrepairable?
I'm not the biggest flash fan, but this is causing me some serious concern over his wrist injury :/
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 14:35:18
June 02 2011 14:34 GMT
#10
Yes, every human-being has some weak sides. And we kept saying that Flash does not! But here we go, physical weakness that will most probably lead to his inability to play well in future. I think every genius has some weak sides, so does Flash. But I'm sure, that he will deliver many wonderful games even if the "clock is counting" as somebody have said.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
June 02 2011 14:34 GMT
#11
...??? Flash wrist thing means early forced retirement? That's terrible.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
June 02 2011 14:36 GMT
#12
On June 02 2011 23:32 Hyde wrote:
I like how he tries to put it lightly that he doesn't understand the way Hydra plays instead of just saying he was rubbish tonight haha

I don't get this part though
Show nested quote +
Allegedly doctors can no longer completely cure it. But they also say
that it is not a huge problem right now. I am trying hard during the times
that there are no games to rest a lot, after this when I have time I need
to seriously treat it.

What does he mean seriously treat it? Why isn't he seriously treating it now before it gets worst and irrepariable?
I'm not the biggest flash fan, but this is causing me some serious concern over his wrist injury :/
Umm I guess it's something like his condition getting worse if he still keeps enduring this practice schedule while treating his wrists. When you get injury from playing sports, you have to stop playing it for a while and get treated properly. In this case Flash doesn't, because he knows if he stops he'll fall behind. That's why he had to keep pushing himself to the limit.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
June 02 2011 14:37 GMT
#13
On June 02 2011 23:32 Hyde wrote:
I like how he tries to put it lightly that he doesn't understand the way Hydra plays instead of just saying he was rubbish tonight haha

I don't get this part though
Show nested quote +
Allegedly doctors can no longer completely cure it. But they also say
that it is not a huge problem right now. I am trying hard during the times
that there are no games to rest a lot, after this when I have time I need
to seriously treat it.

What does he mean seriously treat it? Why isn't he seriously treating it now before it gets worst and irrepariable?
I'm not the biggest flash fan, but this is causing me some serious concern over his wrist injury :/


Right now flash can deal with his wrist injury, if he was to actually treat it, it may involve surgery, and most definately involve not playing starcraft at all for an extended period of time, to him it is unacceptable to do that with a MSL finals incoming, and a proleague post-season one round away. and sad to say, its already at the "worse and irreparable stage" so... yeah, he just wants to eek out as many titles as he can before he has to stop.
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
June 02 2011 14:38 GMT
#14
On June 02 2011 23:32 Hyde wrote:
I like how he tries to put it lightly that he doesn't understand the way Hydra plays instead of just saying he was rubbish tonight haha

I don't get this part though
Show nested quote +
Allegedly doctors can no longer completely cure it. But they also say
that it is not a huge problem right now. I am trying hard during the times
that there are no games to rest a lot, after this when I have time I need
to seriously treat it.

What does he mean seriously treat it? Why isn't he seriously treating it now before it gets worst and irrepariable?
I'm not the biggest flash fan, but this is causing me some serious concern over his wrist injury :/

'Seriously treating' an (RSI) wrist injury is like months of resting doing nothing that would slow down the healing process (ie. playing bw at 300+ apm).

If you play through pain or by using painkillers etc it will eventually become chronic, meaning you can't ever get rid of it completely, only make it better or worse.
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
June 02 2011 14:49 GMT
#15
Thanks for the translation.

This interview has made me sad. I knew it was only a matter of time before he had to stop, but hearing it directly has really put it in place.

Flash has to win this final. It could be his last.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
June 02 2011 14:52 GMT
#16
NOOOOOO

Hope he can take an extended break after the end of the season and come back. If not, we were still lucky to see him play.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
June 02 2011 14:53 GMT
#17
woah flamewheel dope new icon.

And flash wrists, he can have mine
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
June 02 2011 14:54 GMT
#18
I hope that Flash wins this final, it would be a terrific end to a terrific career.
Get crunk
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
June 02 2011 14:55 GMT
#19
On June 02 2011 23:49 flamewheel wrote:
Thanks for the translation.

This interview has made me sad. I knew it was only a matter of time before he had to stop, but hearing it directly has really put it in place.

Flash has to win this final. It could be his last.

Wow, your icon!
Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
June 02 2011 14:57 GMT
#20
On June 02 2011 23:49 flamewheel wrote:
Thanks for the translation.

This interview has made me sad. I knew it was only a matter of time before he had to stop, but hearing it directly has really put it in place.

Flash has to win this final. It could be his last.

New icon!
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
June 02 2011 14:58 GMT
#21
On June 02 2011 23:49 flamewheel wrote:
Thanks for the translation.

This interview has made me sad. I knew it was only a matter of time before he had to stop, but hearing it directly has really put it in place.

Flash has to win this final. It could be his last.

Flash doesn't have to win the final. He WILL win the finals. It's set in stone by the gods of starcraft

And nice icon ya ^^
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
Striding Strider
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom787 Posts
June 02 2011 14:59 GMT
#22
Poor Flash.
I have a beard. I'm unprofessional.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
June 02 2011 15:01 GMT
#23
Flash reminds me of Sandy Koufax.

As sad as it would be, you have to say, that would just be the coolest possible story to end a career. Play through pain and still dominate.
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
June 02 2011 15:15 GMT
#24
Flash. The greatest RTS talent forced to cut his career short, very sad.

Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
June 02 2011 15:16 GMT
#25
Permanent damage? Seems like he certainly pushed himself too hard.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
June 02 2011 15:19 GMT
#26
Flash

Ugh, I hope that he can rest enough after this to stay in the game a few more years, but man, this hurts.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 15:21:52
June 02 2011 15:20 GMT
#27
I really hope that they're exaggerating this whole wrist injury thing. I really hope so. :/

But that part about his wrist is very bogus i think. We need more clarifications before jumping to conclusions like, "OMG Flash's career is about to end" ...
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
June 02 2011 15:22 GMT
#28
Flash is so baller and so good at starcraft that my head is going to explode. I'm sad about Hydra though.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
June 02 2011 15:23 GMT
#29
Flash is sad that he can't play his buddy, Jaedong, in the finals. And I'm as well =(
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
June 02 2011 15:31 GMT
#30
Wow Flash, if he have to retire because of his wrist it would make me so sad
LaoShuAiDaMi
Profile Joined September 2009
United States88 Posts
June 02 2011 15:36 GMT
#31
Where is everyone getting that he has to retire...one guy mentioned it as pure speculation and then all of a sudden people are saying how his career will end lol

I also wonder what he meant when he said that his doctors said ti was not a problem right now
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4126 Posts
June 02 2011 15:37 GMT
#32
Wtf is it that serious that he'll have to retire? Please don't jump to conclusions guys, I don't think retire is a correct word. More like taking a break to heal his injuries. He can't just retire like that man hes only 18 or 19 !!!
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
June 02 2011 15:38 GMT
#33
Oh wow? Does he really need to actually retire? That would be sad .
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
June 02 2011 15:45 GMT
#34
Well, i'm glad he probably will get a job in Esports as a coach or something when he retires or stops playing.

Thanks for the translation and good luck Flash, one more time..
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
June 02 2011 15:50 GMT
#35
Lets not jump to conclusions, heres what we can say for sure, his injury is serious enough that flash is paying a lot of attention to it, his practice time and rest time are all calibrated with this injury in mind. The doctors has allegedly stated that the injury is at a state such that no amount of rest will restore it to normal, however it is not serious enough to hinder flash's performance and ability as a progamer, as such flash has decided that he will play with the injury for now, and at a later time attempt to restore it's condition as much as possible. There are no talks of ending careers, however histroy has shown that having a wrist injury would probably indicate an earlier than normal retirement. keep in mind that flash is still relatively young.
HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1074 Posts
June 02 2011 15:50 GMT
#36
I hope he takes care of his wrist....
health is also very important...
BW forever!
PBC
Profile Joined March 2011
167 Posts
June 02 2011 15:51 GMT
#37
so this might be Flash's last hurrah? oh boy ... the final boss of bw to bow down to... wrist injuries

oh man..
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
June 02 2011 15:52 GMT
#38
Cmon he says doctor said there wont be huge problems at the moment.. Certainly sounds bad though. I think he was waiting for the season to end before treating it seriously, but seeing as KT most likely will make the Playoffs, his treatment looks like they could be heavily delayed. And its not like KT can afford to NOT have Flash play .

Flash you REALLY need to hang in there, even if my motives for wishing so isnt so pure.
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trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
June 02 2011 15:53 GMT
#39
thanks for translating. I'm really appreciate it.

His wrist getting worse..he so young. Progamer is human like us too.
Hope he will get well soon.
Learn,live and love it.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
June 02 2011 16:11 GMT
#40
Given everything we know about Flash, I don't see him retiring without taking a 7th gold to surpass NaDa, unless his hand basically falls off. Best of luck. :/

(And yet, I'm force to root for ZerO this time around.)
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Weemoed
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands741 Posts
June 02 2011 16:13 GMT
#41
Thank you for the translation.

Also, I hope from the depths of my heart that Flash will win this MSL. He truly deserves it
Bring me to space, and let me wander there forever
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
June 02 2011 16:26 GMT
#42
Thanks for translating!
I hope someone picks up on the Vod Moktira posted as well :O

I think the issue with his wrist is as such that in order to treat it he'll have to take an actual extended break from BW, but given that he can (with constraints) still perform, he probably will push himself until Proleague playoffs are done (possibly even until next OSL season is done) before taking this break.

Rooting for Flash like never before, everyone except the die-hard Zero fans should be, this might be his last finals despite his overwhelming genius at the game.
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Weemoed
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands741 Posts
June 02 2011 16:32 GMT
#43
On June 03 2011 01:26 Armathai wrote:
Rooting for Flash like never before, everyone except the die-hard Zero fans should be, this might be his last finals despite his overwhelming genius at the game.


I completely agree with you

Flash should be winning this. I will probably cry tears of joy when it happens
Bring me to space, and let me wander there forever
4vvhiplash7
Profile Joined December 2010
South Africa392 Posts
June 02 2011 16:45 GMT
#44
On June 02 2011 23:49 flamewheel wrote:
Thanks for the translation.

This interview has made me sad. I knew it was only a matter of time before he had to stop, but hearing it directly has really put it in place.

Flash has to win this final. It could be his last.


When you say it like that it really makes me sad too... Flash was the first progamer I ever watched and supported, and I most probably will stop following the BW scene if he retires... I guess you could say I'm more of a Flash fan than a BW fan (please don't flame me for this) It really is sad if he has to retire soon...
4vvhiplash7
Profile Joined December 2010
South Africa392 Posts
June 02 2011 16:54 GMT
#45
I just went to fomos.kr to read their version of the same interview and this how they translated Flash's response:

"They can’t fix it at the hospital, they told me it shouldn’t bother me too much. I’ve been going to the oriental medical clinic, but I don’t think it’s helping LOL. I practice under a flexible schedule because of my hands, I rest when I need to. During the stove league I am planning on getting ample rest."

I'm not sure what the 'stove league' is? any ideas?
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
June 02 2011 16:55 GMT
#46
Please hang in there, Flash!!!
Fix that damn wrist! You can go to 10 more MSL finals if your wrist is safe!
May the BeSt man win.
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
June 02 2011 16:56 GMT
#47
Damn Flash... :<<< Even though I happy he won, I'm really worried about his condition and how long he'll be able to play T_T

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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 17:00:53
June 02 2011 17:00 GMT
#48
On June 02 2011 23:49 flamewheel wrote:
Thanks for the translation.

This interview has made me sad. I knew it was only a matter of time before he had to stop, but hearing it directly has really put it in place.

Flash has to win this final. It could be his last.


Pokemon icon ftw! Crap, i forgot which pokemon it was
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a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
June 02 2011 17:02 GMT
#49
Thanks for translating!
That seems pretty serious for Flash, I can't believe he pushed himself that hard D: . Hopefully he'll be able to recover one day, it's super unsafe to have injuries life that... Anyways, I'd say I'd cheer for Flash, but Zero's playing...
So God, you're going down!
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CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
June 02 2011 17:05 GMT
#50
thanks.. ugh.. wrist problems.. I can relate, wonder how bad it's really getting..

rest up flash and great job!!

:D
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ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
June 02 2011 17:08 GMT
#51
On June 03 2011 02:00 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 23:49 flamewheel wrote:
Thanks for the translation.

This interview has made me sad. I knew it was only a matter of time before he had to stop, but hearing it directly has really put it in place.

Flash has to win this final. It could be his last.


Pokemon icon ftw! Crap, i forgot which pokemon it was


Rapidash

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xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
June 02 2011 17:33 GMT
#52
On June 02 2011 23:25 mmdmmd wrote:
Yeah, looks like Flash knows he will retire soon. That's why he is pushing himself so hard. Want to end it in a good way.

Oh comon, flash is only 18. For gods sake he could relearn mouse control with his left hand and still come back onto the top.
Aah thats the stuff..
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
June 02 2011 17:53 GMT
#53
On June 02 2011 23:49 flamewheel wrote:
Thanks for the translation.

This interview has made me sad. I knew it was only a matter of time before he had to stop, but hearing it directly has really put it in place.

Flash has to win this final. It could be his last.

Oh yeah, and what about zero? He has been busting his ass off for his entire career, he deserves at least one freakin trophy!
Aah thats the stuff..
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
June 02 2011 17:54 GMT
#54
FUCK flash please don't "lose" to this injury. Come on wtf is with this. This can't be. You must fucking get cured from this. This would be an untolerable loss for all BW scene. T_T

You're only, m%^^^$f#@$% 18 (!!!) years old! Please take care of your health. You may regret not doing it now just SO much later. Please do something to your state of health RIGHT after this MSL.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
June 02 2011 18:01 GMT
#55
After hearing this...

Flash gets a tip of the hat from me. Respect!!!
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vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
June 02 2011 18:10 GMT
#56
Damn flash.... I feel bad for you. GL to you in the finals
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 02 2011 18:11 GMT
#57
On June 03 2011 02:53 xarthaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 23:49 flamewheel wrote:
Thanks for the translation.

This interview has made me sad. I knew it was only a matter of time before he had to stop, but hearing it directly has really put it in place.

Flash has to win this final. It could be his last.

Oh yeah, and what about zero? He has been busting his ass off for his entire career, he deserves at least one freakin trophy!


Amen! ZerO has not choked at all, winnings 3 ZvZs in a row and his zvt is rediculously strong nowadays. Main issue if whether flash will mech or bio (mech is easier on hands right? ). Personally, i think that would depend on maps.

Predicting the future...
+ Show Spoiler +
ZerO wins 3-1 with BM queen play
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ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 18:22:04
June 02 2011 18:21 GMT
#58
at least flash just graduate from college. he's still young, he can further his education and still be successful somewhere else.

or, he can be a gosu coach for KT too :D

edit: changed skt to kt -_- im stupid
xd
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
June 02 2011 19:01 GMT
#59
Sadly, it looks like Flash will end up as the Peter Forsberg of Starcraft. :/
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 19:05:22
June 02 2011 19:04 GMT
#60
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.
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Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
June 02 2011 19:07 GMT
#61
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

I agree. He tries to be subtle, but he seems arrogant when he can show it.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 02 2011 19:36 GMT
#62
Slightly different view but maybe that's just how the translation worked but it seemed that he was more concerned about his wrist than using it as an excuse. Also I'm wondering WHAT is wrong with his wrist since I don't know if there've been any TL'ers who happen to know/have made threads.


But yeah, he's kind of arrogant but I guess if you just mopped the floor with the current champion 3-0, you deserve to be confident.

Also WHAT was there to talk about? He didn't (allegedly) understand Hydra's play which would probably dwindle the amount of possibilities for conversation, but again maybe that's just me.
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Yggdrasil Leaf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
221 Posts
June 02 2011 19:47 GMT
#63
Lol at the haters.
"A person hears only what they understand" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
June 02 2011 19:53 GMT
#64
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.


He gets asked about his wrists every interview. What is he supposed to do? Say "yeah shit hurts but let's talk about the game that I already answered all your questions about" or just outright lie? Sure it might make him seem arrogant but then again: he is kinda arrogant. No excuses there. But to say that he uses it as a potential crutch or to make his opponents seem worse is not really fair at all
Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
June 02 2011 19:58 GMT
#65
Hahaha. Say something not favoring Flash and his rabid fanboys come out. It's not even a common ailment among progamers that one could say it comes with the territory, Maybe he pushes his wrist to hard when playing? All I'm saying is that he shouldnt make a fuss out of it. Just say its fine, and doctors are attending to it, or something. No need for the uncurable drama. He could use this later to his advantage no matter what.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
June 02 2011 20:05 GMT
#66
On June 03 2011 04:58 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
Hahaha. Say something not favoring Flash and his rabid fanboys come out.


Disagree with criticism against Flash and get called a rabid fanboy. Noice.
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
June 02 2011 20:08 GMT
#67
It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots

You are exaggerate. Your favorite player lost - deal with it, don't bring your shit on the player.
And you better learn to read interview till the end.

Flash: "Recently my hand's condition was not good, but yesterday the feelings in my hands
returned, I will work hard to bring exciting games next week. "
i.e. "I can perform at 100% for now"
Flash never made excuses due to his wrist, even when he was out from OSL/MSL he said that wrist had nothing to do with it.

Hydra is fine player but gap in skills was obvious. Maybe he was too nervous and underperformed, but proper mentality is also part of the skills. I hope this experience will be useful to him, though I prefer Soulkey/Zero as the new S-class generation of zergs =)
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
June 02 2011 20:10 GMT
#68
Why arrogant - he just enumerates the things that are related to the asked question...

Really - what is he supposed to answer: "Oh, you newsmakers, why do you keep asking this stupid question T_T", or what?
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noojOh
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States755 Posts
June 02 2011 20:11 GMT
#69
I just listened to the interview and he does not seem to be all that worried about his wrists. Most of what he says is that he will practice to the extreme and to the point that his wrist will fall off but doesn't actually state that it's unplayable with it. In fact, he says that taking a break had helped but then for 3-4 days he played like a madman in order to prepare.
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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 20:16:59
June 02 2011 20:16 GMT
#70
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

I see some god damn decent thoughts out here
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
June 02 2011 20:17 GMT
#71
Thanks for translation!
People who accuse him of making up excuses and being cocky need to take a break from TL imo, long one.For everyone's good.Seriously how stupid can you be to say such bullshit after reading tons of his interviews, observing him, and basically following every opinion he makes in public.
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Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
June 02 2011 20:20 GMT
#72
Flash retiring while he is an S class player would be a tragedy.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
June 02 2011 20:23 GMT
#73
Thanks for the translation!

Damn, I got quite worried reading about Flash's wrist, but those haters put a smile on my face again. No Flash interview is complete without someone trying to misinterpret what he says lol.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
June 02 2011 20:26 GMT
#74
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

Did you even listen to the interview? He said over and over again how he's at the condition he is at now because he practiced "until his arms hurt". He was saying how he was disappointed with his TvZ losses recently so he practiced. He wasn't even trying to insinuate that Hydra is a terrible player because he destroyed Hydra even when he had a wrist problem. He steered the conversation towards the idea that he played well because he practiced a lot.

Either you didn't actually listen to the interview or you've completely misunderstood and misconstrued what he said.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
June 02 2011 20:28 GMT
#75
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.


This seems like a completely unfounded thing to say at this point. If Flash was slumping hard then it might possibly have some weight ("Oh he just wants to use his wrist as an excuse for losing so much"), but he's not losing and doesn't appear to be in danger of falling into a slump anytime soon, either.

You make it sound like Flash just stopped trying, started losing constantly, and is trying to use his wrist as an excuse.

But yeah whatever, I guess an 18 year old kid should have an angel's grace and temperance and just never talk about his serious wrist injury that might force him into early retirement.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
June 02 2011 20:46 GMT
#76
Obviously he is using the wrist injury as an excuse to segue into playing a game that will be less taxing on his wrist, like Starcraft 2
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
June 02 2011 20:50 GMT
#77
On June 03 2011 04:58 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
Hahaha. Say something not favoring Flash and his rabid fanboys come out.


???
What have we done to deserve this?
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 20:55:15
June 02 2011 20:53 GMT
#78
Ah, disciple was talking about the translation from the Chinese interview. I thought he was talking about the post-game MSL interview. But you were still way too hasty.

MSL post-game interview - the one Moktira linked to in the second post of the thread.

Commentator: Flash

Flash: Yes?

Commentator:Congratulations on getting into the finals. How do you feel?

Flash: Pardon?

Commentator: How do you feel about your win?

Flash: Well, first of all, although it's only been a few months, it feels like it's been quite a long time since I've been in a finals. I really practiced like it was life or death. I'll practice until my arms fall off for the finals.

Commentator: You won the first game convincingly but the second game gave you some trouble. It seems like you smiled brightly when you won the game in reflection of how the game was so hard won. What were you thinking in the midst of the game?

Flash: I was thinking a bit about the third game. I was thinking, "I shouldn't put myself in such a position in the third game". I was already doing a bit of mind control [preparing not to be mentally shaken after a loss] but the game progressed and I was able to make a comeback. When I won the game I was certain that I would advance to the finals.

Commentator: Many of your fans are looking forward to you winning the gold badge. Your opponent in the finals is Zero, what do you think about this?

Flash: When it comes to management, I think he is the top Zerg. Generally if the game becomes management vs management I am confident I will win, but when it comes to Zero I can't be certain about the outcome. That's how strong of a player he is.

Commentator: Your semifinals was a ZvT and so will the finals. It seems like this would give you some trouble when it comes to gameplan and strategies. Is there anything you'd like to say to Zero? Like a declaration of war.

Flash: I really didn't like how I was playing TvZ over and over again this MSL. When I played TvZ, I felt like my skills were really deteriorated. When I practiced I would think, "ah, how did I become like this?" So this time I really practiced until my arm swelled up. Right now I managed to bring up my skills really high. If I bring the ability I have right now to the finals, even though my opponent might be Zero, I think I can win.

Commentator: Is there anything you'd like to say to your fans? Any promises and thanks you'd like to give?

Flash I really practiced until I was going to go crazy, so my arm hurts a lot right now. But every time I thought of the fans and remembered how I was knocked out early in the last tournament. I really practiced like my arm was going to break, and I'll practice even harder for the finals.





LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
June 02 2011 20:54 GMT
#79
I hope JD and Flash can have another finals before one of them has to retire..
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 20:57:53
June 02 2011 20:54 GMT
#80
On June 03 2011 05:26 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

Did you even listen to the interview? He said over and over again how he's at the condition he is at now because he practiced "until his arms hurt". He was saying how he was disappointed with his TvZ losses recently so he practiced. He wasn't even trying to insinuate that Hydra is a terrible player because he destroyed Hydra even when he had a wrist problem. He steered the conversation towards the idea that he played well because he practiced a lot.

Either you didn't actually listen to the interview or you've completely misunderstood and misconstrued what he said.


but why the fuck he needs to bring this up in every god damn interview ? when asked, I guess he can just reply shit is ok and that will be the end of it. now we get to read how he practiced till his hand hurt, that doctors cant heal it and shit like that. Ofc he is not trying to bury Hydra directly but thats exactly what he is doing the way I see it. Flash has been talking about this wrist thing for about 6 months now and whats his record? I doubt he is on some painkillers he cant sleep from, obviously the problem isn't as major as he makes it to be, nor he is about to stop playing anytime soon. When oov hurt his wrist he straight up retired, there is some major thing going on there for the gamers if shit fucks up. Its really annoying reading this shit in every interview cause it makes his fans think he is not playing his best or and on the other hand that his "not best" rapes everyone else.
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`MemoRY
Profile Joined January 2011
United States80 Posts
June 02 2011 20:55 GMT
#81
As much as I loathe Flash I really want his wrist to get better so he won't have to retire. The Lee-ssang must continue.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 21:05:47
June 02 2011 21:00 GMT
#82
On June 03 2011 05:54 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 05:26 koreasilver wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

Did you even listen to the interview? He said over and over again how he's at the condition he is at now because he practiced "until his arms hurt". He was saying how he was disappointed with his TvZ losses recently so he practiced. He wasn't even trying to insinuate that Hydra is a terrible player because he destroyed Hydra even when he had a wrist problem. He steered the conversation towards the idea that he played well because he practiced a lot.

Either you didn't actually listen to the interview or you've completely misunderstood and misconstrued what he said.


but why the fuck he needs to bring this up in every god damn interview ? when asked, I guess he can just reply shit is ok and that will be the end of it. now we get to read how he practiced till his hand hurt, that doctors cant heal it and shit like that. Ofc he is not trying to bury Hydra directly but thats exactly what he is doing the way I see it. Flash has been talking about this wrist thing for about 6 months now and whats his record? I doubt he is on some painkillers he cant sleep from, obviously the problem isn't as major as he makes it to be, nor he is about to stop playing anytime soon. When oov hurt his wrist he straight up retired, there is some major thing going on there for the gamers if shit fucks up. Its really annoying reading this shit in every interview cause its makes his fans think he is not playing his best or and on the other hand that his "not best" rapes everyone else.

But the shit is not ok. He gets asked about his wrist condition because its important, and this way he can keep the fans updated. And the problem is severe enough that he has to rely on cortisone shots to relieve the pain and swelling. Its not a permanent solution, but it allows him to keep playing for now. People are concerned, interviewers ask, flash answers.

It comes down to either completely retiring, which he doesn't want to do, address the problem, which means take a leave for at least a few months (with no practicing) which will hurt his condition a lot, or patch fix it which is what he's been doing for some time, so he can still compete.

If you get so annoyed reading flash interviews, just don't.
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
June 02 2011 21:00 GMT
#83
On June 03 2011 05:55 `MemoRY wrote:
As much as I loathe Flash I really want his wrist to get better so he won't have to retire. The Lee-ssang must continue.


Basically this, I hate Flash almost as much as I hate Bisu but respect his insane level of play and would hate injury to prematurely curtail his career.
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HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
June 02 2011 21:03 GMT
#84
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.


Really? A player gets an injury that the doctors say is incurable and you flame him for saying something about it when asked directly? It's not as if he is trying to bury Hydra on purpose and even if that had been the case it would only be 100% just payback for Hydra's little group of death.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
June 02 2011 21:03 GMT
#85
On June 03 2011 05:54 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 05:26 koreasilver wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

Did you even listen to the interview? He said over and over again how he's at the condition he is at now because he practiced "until his arms hurt". He was saying how he was disappointed with his TvZ losses recently so he practiced. He wasn't even trying to insinuate that Hydra is a terrible player because he destroyed Hydra even when he had a wrist problem. He steered the conversation towards the idea that he played well because he practiced a lot.

Either you didn't actually listen to the interview or you've completely misunderstood and misconstrued what he said.


but why the fuck he needs to bring this up in every god damn interview ? when asked, I guess he can just reply shit is ok and that will be the end of it. now we get to read how he practiced till his hand hurt, that doctors cant heal it and shit like that. Ofc he is not trying to bury Hydra directly but thats exactly what he is doing the way I see it. Flash has been talking about this wrist thing for about 6 months now and whats his record? I doubt he is on some painkillers he cant sleep from, obviously the problem isn't as major as he makes it to be, nor he is about to stop playing anytime soon. When oov hurt his wrist he straight up retired, there is some major thing going on there for the gamers if shit fucks up. Its really annoying reading this shit in every interview cause its makes his fans think he is not playing his best or and on the other hand that his "not best" rapes everyone else.

Seeing as how Flash thinks he's playing on tip top form, if anyone thinks that Flash was inconvenienced by his wrist whenever he loses, then they're simply annoying, and that's that. It's equally as annoying if someone like you pops in and says "Flash is making the competition look like a farce because he's beating them when his wrist is injured". You're talking as if Flash brings up the topic in every interview, which he doesn't. The focal point in his answers in both of his interviews was practice.

The way I see it, you people are twisting and turning and bending his words all out of shape for whatever reasons.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
June 02 2011 21:06 GMT
#86
On June 03 2011 06:00 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 05:54 disciple wrote:
On June 03 2011 05:26 koreasilver wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

Did you even listen to the interview? He said over and over again how he's at the condition he is at now because he practiced "until his arms hurt". He was saying how he was disappointed with his TvZ losses recently so he practiced. He wasn't even trying to insinuate that Hydra is a terrible player because he destroyed Hydra even when he had a wrist problem. He steered the conversation towards the idea that he played well because he practiced a lot.

Either you didn't actually listen to the interview or you've completely misunderstood and misconstrued what he said.


but why the fuck he needs to bring this up in every god damn interview ? when asked, I guess he can just reply shit is ok and that will be the end of it. now we get to read how he practiced till his hand hurt, that doctors cant heal it and shit like that. Ofc he is not trying to bury Hydra directly but thats exactly what he is doing the way I see it. Flash has been talking about this wrist thing for about 6 months now and whats his record? I doubt he is on some painkillers he cant sleep from, obviously the problem isn't as major as he makes it to be, nor he is about to stop playing anytime soon. When oov hurt his wrist he straight up retired, there is some major thing going on there for the gamers if shit fucks up. Its really annoying reading this shit in every interview cause its makes his fans think he is not playing his best or and on the other hand that his "not best" rapes everyone else.

But the shit is not ok. He gets asked about his wrist condition because its important, and this way he can keep the fans updated. And the problem is big enough that he has to rely on cortisone shots to relieve the pain and swelling. Its not a permanent solution, but it allows him to keep playing for now. People are concerned, interviewers ask, flash answers.

It comes down to either completely retiring, which he doesn't want to do, address the problem, which means take a leave for at least a few months (with no practicing) which will hurt his condition a lot, or patch fix it which is what he's been doing for some time, so he can still compete.

If you get so annoyed reading flash interviews, just don't.

it just happens that he is in every winners interview ^_^ I want to read some progamer generic stuff how they will practice hard to become better and that the weather is cold outside. Not the fucking grey's anatomy script
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
June 02 2011 21:09 GMT
#87
On June 03 2011 06:06 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 06:00 moopie wrote:
On June 03 2011 05:54 disciple wrote:
On June 03 2011 05:26 koreasilver wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

Did you even listen to the interview? He said over and over again how he's at the condition he is at now because he practiced "until his arms hurt". He was saying how he was disappointed with his TvZ losses recently so he practiced. He wasn't even trying to insinuate that Hydra is a terrible player because he destroyed Hydra even when he had a wrist problem. He steered the conversation towards the idea that he played well because he practiced a lot.

Either you didn't actually listen to the interview or you've completely misunderstood and misconstrued what he said.


but why the fuck he needs to bring this up in every god damn interview ? when asked, I guess he can just reply shit is ok and that will be the end of it. now we get to read how he practiced till his hand hurt, that doctors cant heal it and shit like that. Ofc he is not trying to bury Hydra directly but thats exactly what he is doing the way I see it. Flash has been talking about this wrist thing for about 6 months now and whats his record? I doubt he is on some painkillers he cant sleep from, obviously the problem isn't as major as he makes it to be, nor he is about to stop playing anytime soon. When oov hurt his wrist he straight up retired, there is some major thing going on there for the gamers if shit fucks up. Its really annoying reading this shit in every interview cause its makes his fans think he is not playing his best or and on the other hand that his "not best" rapes everyone else.

But the shit is not ok. He gets asked about his wrist condition because its important, and this way he can keep the fans updated. And the problem is big enough that he has to rely on cortisone shots to relieve the pain and swelling. Its not a permanent solution, but it allows him to keep playing for now. People are concerned, interviewers ask, flash answers.

It comes down to either completely retiring, which he doesn't want to do, address the problem, which means take a leave for at least a few months (with no practicing) which will hurt his condition a lot, or patch fix it which is what he's been doing for some time, so he can still compete.

If you get so annoyed reading flash interviews, just don't.

it just happens that he is in every winners interview ^_^ I want to read some progamer generic stuff how they will practice hard to become better and that the weather is cold outside. Not the fucking grey's anatomy script


Commentator: How do you feel about your win?

Flash: Well, first of all, although it's only been a few months, it feels like it's been quite a long time since I've been in a finals. I really practiced like it was life or death. I'll practice until my arms fall off for the finals.

Commentator: Your semifinals was a ZvT and so will the finals. It seems like this would give you some trouble when it comes to gameplan and strategies. Is there anything you'd like to say to Zero? Like a declaration of war.

Flash: I really didn't like how I was playing TvZ over and over again this MSL. When I played TvZ, I felt like my skills were really deteriorated. When I practiced I would think, "ah, how did I become like this?" So this time I really practiced until my arm swelled up. Right now I managed to bring up my skills really high. If I bring the ability I have right now to the finals, even though my opponent might be Zero, I think I can win.


Commentator: Is there anything you'd like to say to your fans? Any promises and thanks you'd like to give?

Flash I really practiced until I was going to go crazy, so my arm hurts a lot right now. But every time I thought of the fans and remembered how I was knocked out early in the last tournament. I really practiced like my arm was going to break, and I'll practice even harder for the finals.



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xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
June 02 2011 21:10 GMT
#88
On June 03 2011 05:54 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 05:26 koreasilver wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

Did you even listen to the interview? He said over and over again how he's at the condition he is at now because he practiced "until his arms hurt". He was saying how he was disappointed with his TvZ losses recently so he practiced. He wasn't even trying to insinuate that Hydra is a terrible player because he destroyed Hydra even when he had a wrist problem. He steered the conversation towards the idea that he played well because he practiced a lot.

Either you didn't actually listen to the interview or you've completely misunderstood and misconstrued what he said.


but why the fuck he needs to bring this up in every god damn interview ? when asked, I guess he can just reply shit is ok and that will be the end of it. now we get to read how he practiced till his hand hurt, that doctors cant heal it and shit like that. Ofc he is not trying to bury Hydra directly but thats exactly what he is doing the way I see it. Flash has been talking about this wrist thing for about 6 months now and whats his record? I doubt he is on some painkillers he cant sleep from, obviously the problem isn't as major as he makes it to be, nor he is about to stop playing anytime soon. When oov hurt his wrist he straight up retired, there is some major thing going on there for the gamers if shit fucks up. Its really annoying reading this shit in every interview cause it makes his fans think he is not playing his best or and on the other hand that his "not best" rapes everyone else.

Funny how the extreme political correctness of korean interviews has conditioned us. even a slight hint at an indirect stab towards ones opponent is interpreted as bad manner behavior.
Aah thats the stuff..
fly.stat
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States449 Posts
June 02 2011 21:12 GMT
#89
On June 03 2011 06:06 disciple wrote:

it just happens that he is in every winners interview ^_^ I want to read some progamer generic stuff how they will practice hard to become better and that the weather is cold outside. Not the fucking grey's anatomy script


If that's the case, you would also want to deny his concerned fans information regarding his wrist condition. I'm sure you wouldn't want to do that.

People are worried about Flash. It's not exactly up to you to determine which questions his worried fans (the interviewer(s) in this case) will ask him.

Chill meng, Flash isn't trying to discredit anyone's play, including his own.
Until I write you again, take care of your precious person.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
June 02 2011 21:12 GMT
#90
That TV interview is really nice. Flash just heaps praise over Zero. It was also interesting to hear about his mentality during the second game. :D

Also, disciple, stop it please.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
June 02 2011 21:12 GMT
#91
On June 03 2011 06:06 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 06:00 moopie wrote:
On June 03 2011 05:54 disciple wrote:
On June 03 2011 05:26 koreasilver wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

Did you even listen to the interview? He said over and over again how he's at the condition he is at now because he practiced "until his arms hurt". He was saying how he was disappointed with his TvZ losses recently so he practiced. He wasn't even trying to insinuate that Hydra is a terrible player because he destroyed Hydra even when he had a wrist problem. He steered the conversation towards the idea that he played well because he practiced a lot.

Either you didn't actually listen to the interview or you've completely misunderstood and misconstrued what he said.


but why the fuck he needs to bring this up in every god damn interview ? when asked, I guess he can just reply shit is ok and that will be the end of it. now we get to read how he practiced till his hand hurt, that doctors cant heal it and shit like that. Ofc he is not trying to bury Hydra directly but thats exactly what he is doing the way I see it. Flash has been talking about this wrist thing for about 6 months now and whats his record? I doubt he is on some painkillers he cant sleep from, obviously the problem isn't as major as he makes it to be, nor he is about to stop playing anytime soon. When oov hurt his wrist he straight up retired, there is some major thing going on there for the gamers if shit fucks up. Its really annoying reading this shit in every interview cause its makes his fans think he is not playing his best or and on the other hand that his "not best" rapes everyone else.

But the shit is not ok. He gets asked about his wrist condition because its important, and this way he can keep the fans updated. And the problem is big enough that he has to rely on cortisone shots to relieve the pain and swelling. Its not a permanent solution, but it allows him to keep playing for now. People are concerned, interviewers ask, flash answers.

It comes down to either completely retiring, which he doesn't want to do, address the problem, which means take a leave for at least a few months (with no practicing) which will hurt his condition a lot, or patch fix it which is what he's been doing for some time, so he can still compete.

If you get so annoyed reading flash interviews, just don't.

it just happens that he is in every winners interview ^_^ I want to read some progamer generic stuff how they will practice hard to become better and that the weather is cold outside. Not the fucking grey's anatomy script


Well in that case next time you need an interview, find a picture of said progamer and insert the following (should work with almost anyone except Zero/Soulkey who are doing AWESOME interviews):

You won today.
I feel very lucky and thankful I practiced very hard and it payed off.

You seem to be doing well on this map.
I feel that the map is well balanced. There is no advantage for any race.

It looked dangerous there for a second.
My opponent is very good, luckily I was able to defend his attack well.

Any last words?
I would like to thank my family and my fans as well as all the teammates that helped me practice.

disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 21:25:19
June 02 2011 21:22 GMT
#92
On June 03 2011 06:12 HopLight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 06:06 disciple wrote:
On June 03 2011 06:00 moopie wrote:
On June 03 2011 05:54 disciple wrote:
On June 03 2011 05:26 koreasilver wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

Did you even listen to the interview? He said over and over again how he's at the condition he is at now because he practiced "until his arms hurt". He was saying how he was disappointed with his TvZ losses recently so he practiced. He wasn't even trying to insinuate that Hydra is a terrible player because he destroyed Hydra even when he had a wrist problem. He steered the conversation towards the idea that he played well because he practiced a lot.

Either you didn't actually listen to the interview or you've completely misunderstood and misconstrued what he said.


but why the fuck he needs to bring this up in every god damn interview ? when asked, I guess he can just reply shit is ok and that will be the end of it. now we get to read how he practiced till his hand hurt, that doctors cant heal it and shit like that. Ofc he is not trying to bury Hydra directly but thats exactly what he is doing the way I see it. Flash has been talking about this wrist thing for about 6 months now and whats his record? I doubt he is on some painkillers he cant sleep from, obviously the problem isn't as major as he makes it to be, nor he is about to stop playing anytime soon. When oov hurt his wrist he straight up retired, there is some major thing going on there for the gamers if shit fucks up. Its really annoying reading this shit in every interview cause its makes his fans think he is not playing his best or and on the other hand that his "not best" rapes everyone else.

But the shit is not ok. He gets asked about his wrist condition because its important, and this way he can keep the fans updated. And the problem is big enough that he has to rely on cortisone shots to relieve the pain and swelling. Its not a permanent solution, but it allows him to keep playing for now. People are concerned, interviewers ask, flash answers.

It comes down to either completely retiring, which he doesn't want to do, address the problem, which means take a leave for at least a few months (with no practicing) which will hurt his condition a lot, or patch fix it which is what he's been doing for some time, so he can still compete.

If you get so annoyed reading flash interviews, just don't.

it just happens that he is in every winners interview ^_^ I want to read some progamer generic stuff how they will practice hard to become better and that the weather is cold outside. Not the fucking grey's anatomy script


Well in that case next time you need an interview, find a picture of said progamer and insert the following (should work with almost anyone except Zero/Soulkey who are doing AWESOME interviews):

You won today.
I feel very lucky and thankful I practiced very hard and it payed off.

You seem to be doing well on this map.
I feel that the map is well balanced. There is no advantage for any race.

It looked dangerous there for a second.
My opponent is very good, luckily I was able to defend his attack well.

Any last words?
I would like to thank my family and my fans as well as all the teammates that helped me practice.



ABC MSL Finals winner interview

Congratulations, you are now even with NaDa on starleague titles! Anything you want to say about it

Flash: It feels incredible. However, I cant drink any champaign now cause alcohol shouldn't mix with the painkillers I'm taking for my wrist. I wasn't even sure I could play in this final, doctor said I wont make it. But I practiced hard till I couldnt hold a glass with my hand and it paid of. I was lucky to 3-0 ZerO who is like the best zerg player right now, I was expecting 3-2 if Im honest at best.


or...

random PL winners interview

You recently lost the MSL final. Any regrets about it? How is your wrist btw?

Flash: Glad you asked that. My wrist cannot be healed, there is no way around it. I couldn't practice because of it, had a couple of games with Hoejja the night before the final but it was like playing against the computer, I wanted to have my timings right and rely on my basics. It still wasnt enough thou and I'm sad I lost 2-3 to my opponent,whatwashisname.
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
hmmm...
Profile Joined March 2011
632 Posts
June 02 2011 21:22 GMT
#93
disciple, you can stop now. kthxbye.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
June 02 2011 21:25 GMT
#94
fine
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
June 02 2011 21:25 GMT
#95
Nada Curse strikes?

Hopefully everything is fine with Flash. He's still very young and got ways to go.
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
June 02 2011 21:26 GMT
#96
On June 03 2011 06:22 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 06:12 HopLight wrote:
On June 03 2011 06:06 disciple wrote:
On June 03 2011 06:00 moopie wrote:
On June 03 2011 05:54 disciple wrote:
On June 03 2011 05:26 koreasilver wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

Did you even listen to the interview? He said over and over again how he's at the condition he is at now because he practiced "until his arms hurt". He was saying how he was disappointed with his TvZ losses recently so he practiced. He wasn't even trying to insinuate that Hydra is a terrible player because he destroyed Hydra even when he had a wrist problem. He steered the conversation towards the idea that he played well because he practiced a lot.

Either you didn't actually listen to the interview or you've completely misunderstood and misconstrued what he said.


but why the fuck he needs to bring this up in every god damn interview ? when asked, I guess he can just reply shit is ok and that will be the end of it. now we get to read how he practiced till his hand hurt, that doctors cant heal it and shit like that. Ofc he is not trying to bury Hydra directly but thats exactly what he is doing the way I see it. Flash has been talking about this wrist thing for about 6 months now and whats his record? I doubt he is on some painkillers he cant sleep from, obviously the problem isn't as major as he makes it to be, nor he is about to stop playing anytime soon. When oov hurt his wrist he straight up retired, there is some major thing going on there for the gamers if shit fucks up. Its really annoying reading this shit in every interview cause its makes his fans think he is not playing his best or and on the other hand that his "not best" rapes everyone else.

But the shit is not ok. He gets asked about his wrist condition because its important, and this way he can keep the fans updated. And the problem is big enough that he has to rely on cortisone shots to relieve the pain and swelling. Its not a permanent solution, but it allows him to keep playing for now. People are concerned, interviewers ask, flash answers.

It comes down to either completely retiring, which he doesn't want to do, address the problem, which means take a leave for at least a few months (with no practicing) which will hurt his condition a lot, or patch fix it which is what he's been doing for some time, so he can still compete.

If you get so annoyed reading flash interviews, just don't.

it just happens that he is in every winners interview ^_^ I want to read some progamer generic stuff how they will practice hard to become better and that the weather is cold outside. Not the fucking grey's anatomy script


Well in that case next time you need an interview, find a picture of said progamer and insert the following (should work with almost anyone except Zero/Soulkey who are doing AWESOME interviews):

You won today.
I feel very lucky and thankful I practiced very hard and it payed off.

You seem to be doing well on this map.
I feel that the map is well balanced. There is no advantage for any race.

It looked dangerous there for a second.
My opponent is very good, luckily I was able to defend his attack well.

Any last words?
I would like to thank my family and my fans as well as all the teammates that helped me practice.



ABC MSL Finals winner interview

Congratulations, you are now even with NaDa on starleague titles! Anything you want to say about it

Flash: It feels incredible. However, I cant drink any champaign now cause alcohol shouldn't mix with the painkillers I'm taking for my wrist. I wasn't even sure I could play in this final, doctor said I wont make it. But I practiced hard till I couldnt hold a glass with my hand and it paid of. I was lucky to 3-0 ZerO who is like the best zerg player right now, I was expecting 3-2 if Im honest at best.


or...

random PL winners interview

You recently lost the MSL final. Any regrets about it? How is your wrist btw?

Flash: Glad you asked that. My wrist cannot be healed, there is no way around it. I couldn't practice because of it, had a couple of games with Hoejja the night before the final but it was like playing against the computer, I wanted to have my timings right and rely on my basics. It still wasnt enough thou and I'm sad I lost 2-3 to my opponent,whatwashisname.


That's actually pretty funny. It's not at all what Flash is doing, but pretty funny nonetheless.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 02 2011 21:29 GMT
#97
Koreasilver, you're awesome.
kiss kiss fall in love
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
June 02 2011 21:32 GMT
#98
good game young ho
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gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
June 02 2011 21:33 GMT
#99
Is it his mouse wrist or keyboard wrist?
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 21:43:42
June 02 2011 21:40 GMT
#100
On June 03 2011 05:54 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 05:26 koreasilver wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

Did you even listen to the interview? He said over and over again how he's at the condition he is at now because he practiced "until his arms hurt". He was saying how he was disappointed with his TvZ losses recently so he practiced. He wasn't even trying to insinuate that Hydra is a terrible player because he destroyed Hydra even when he had a wrist problem. He steered the conversation towards the idea that he played well because he practiced a lot.

Either you didn't actually listen to the interview or you've completely misunderstood and misconstrued what he said.


but why the fuck he needs to bring this up in every god damn interview ? when asked, I guess he can just reply shit is ok and that will be the end of it. now we get to read how he practiced till his hand hurt, that doctors cant heal it and shit like that. Ofc he is not trying to bury Hydra directly but thats exactly what he is doing the way I see it. Flash has been talking about this wrist thing for about 6 months now and whats his record? I doubt he is on some painkillers he cant sleep from, obviously the problem isn't as major as he makes it to be, nor he is about to stop playing anytime soon. When oov hurt his wrist he straight up retired, there is some major thing going on there for the gamers if shit fucks up. Its really annoying reading this shit in every interview cause it makes his fans think he is not playing his best or and on the other hand that his "not best" rapes everyone else.


I wonder if you reacted this way when people were saying Bisu's "wrist injury" was the reason Flash knocked him out of Bacchus 08 because Bisu decided to bring it up in a later interview. Or when Jaedong was sick and lost to Flash last year. Progamers update people about their conditions every single time they have one and Flash happens to A: have a chronic condition and B: Get asked about it every time he wins. Unless you want him to lie, why jump on him for something everyone does?

On the topic of Flash's record: He's no longer the #1 proleague player, and last season he got knocked out of both tournaments in straight up embarrassing fashion to bad/newbie players, and didn't make a single excuse. Now when he's winning and talks about it, you assume he's using his wrist as an excuse?

And frankly, yeah, this is Flash at his not best. Flash at his best was the completely merciless monster we saw last year, not this slightly less monstrous but still best player we see now. You've been on Flash's back promoting hydra as a legitimate upset because "CJ Zerg" and the second he gets thoroughly beaten you pick the one slightly controversial thing Flash says in his interview and use it to bash him ceaselessly. That's not cool.
Remember Violet.
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 22:11:12
June 02 2011 22:06 GMT
#101
On June 03 2011 05:54 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 05:26 koreasilver wrote:
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

Did you even listen to the interview? He said over and over again how he's at the condition he is at now because he practiced "until his arms hurt". He was saying how he was disappointed with his TvZ losses recently so he practiced. He wasn't even trying to insinuate that Hydra is a terrible player because he destroyed Hydra even when he had a wrist problem. He steered the conversation towards the idea that he played well because he practiced a lot.

Either you didn't actually listen to the interview or you've completely misunderstood and misconstrued what he said.


but why the fuck he needs to bring this up in every god damn interview ? when asked, I guess he can just reply shit is ok and that will be the end of it. now we get to read how he practiced till his hand hurt, that doctors cant heal it and shit like that. Ofc he is not trying to bury Hydra directly but thats exactly what he is doing the way I see it. Flash has been talking about this wrist thing for about 6 months now and whats his record? I doubt he is on some painkillers he cant sleep from, obviously the problem isn't as major as he makes it to be, nor he is about to stop playing anytime soon. When oov hurt his wrist he straight up retired, there is some major thing going on there for the gamers if shit fucks up. Its really annoying reading this shit in every interview cause it makes his fans think he is not playing his best or and on the other hand that his "not best" rapes everyone else.


Come now.. I dont think hes thinking all that at all , maybe he is complaining a little more than he should, but heh isnt something to get to angry about yes?

On another note, Flash pissing on Hydra only makes me happy.. Only if he can diss him even less subtly than he did ("I cant say much about Hydra's play... I didnt understand the way he played, etc") xD

Edit: chobo Eng mistake
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
WaterTower
Profile Joined May 2011
France138 Posts
June 02 2011 22:57 GMT
#102
I really do feel Flash should take a 3 month break.
WaterTower
Profile Joined May 2011
France138 Posts
June 02 2011 23:05 GMT
#103
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.


In my opinion, Zero has more sportmanship than anyone else. He is a humble man who respects his opponents. Flash is pretty standard in that department. The thing is, he did indeed play worse than usual in the semifinals, especially in game 2. Anyone who watched most of Flash's games will agree that he is not in his prime. The only fact is, Flash off-prime is still better than 99% of the other progamers.

Jaedong's sportsmanship is actually a little worse than Flash's.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
June 02 2011 23:07 GMT
#104
On June 03 2011 08:05 WaterTower wrote:
The thing is, he did indeed play worse than usual in the semifinals, especially in game 2.

You disapprove of his brilliant tactic to snipe scourge with filled dropships? hydra's scourge never saw that dropship coming!
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shinjin
Profile Joined January 2010
United States398 Posts
June 02 2011 23:14 GMT
#105
On June 03 2011 08:07 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 08:05 WaterTower wrote:
The thing is, he did indeed play worse than usual in the semifinals, especially in game 2.

You disapprove of his brilliant tactic to snipe scourge with filled dropships? hydra's scourge never saw that dropship coming!


MINDGAMES
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Brad`
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 23:21:46
June 02 2011 23:20 GMT
#106
On June 03 2011 08:05 WaterTower wrote:
In my opinion, Zero has more sportmanship than anyone else. He is a humble man who respects his opponents.


Not sure if the guy that manner hatches every other game is the progamer with the most sportsmanship.

I'm also finding it funny that Disciple gets so angry that Flash answers his interview questions honestly.
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
June 02 2011 23:23 GMT
#107
As much as do not like FlaSh at times. You really can't doubt his results.

The fact that we have all known his wrist issue make it all the more interesting. I hope he gets a bit more in before he was forced to go.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
June 02 2011 23:24 GMT
#108
And Disciple, take a closer look at Flash's wrist (embedded right after the match):



I don't think he's making too big of a deal of this. Its really sad
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mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
June 02 2011 23:36 GMT
#109
On June 03 2011 08:24 moopie wrote:
And Disciple, take a closer look at Flash's wrist (embedded right after the match):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTRlD4Gn9mY#t=31m37s

I don't think he's making too big of a deal of this. Its really sad


This looks really bad. He needs to stop now, it's like self torture...

ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
June 02 2011 23:37 GMT
#110
That... bulge wasnt the "injury" right? Just some natural deformaties that appears on some people (i have known a few people w bulging bones at the wrong places that look completely weird, but they say its normal for them)..

But if it is.. man T_T that looks to hurt
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 00:30:46
June 02 2011 23:40 GMT
#111
On June 03 2011 08:37 ffreakk wrote:
That... bulge wasnt the "injury" right? Just some natural deformaties that appears on some people (i have known a few people w bulging bones at the wrong places that look completely weird, but they say its normal for them)..

But if it is.. man T_T that looks to hurt

It is. He stated in earlier interviews that he has been getting cortisone shots in his wrist to reduce swelling and relieve pain so he could play (a temporary fix) :x

edit: For comparison, this is how his wrist used to look:
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RinesOnRx
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada74 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 23:59:09
June 02 2011 23:58 GMT
#112
Being the starcraft fan that I am, I asked my anatomy professor about carpal tunnel's and she told me surgery which cuts the ligament in the wrist does the job even for most serious cases.

For sake of his career, KTFlash, and fans, I think Flash should get the surgery and take few months off =/
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
June 03 2011 00:28 GMT
#113
for the sake of his career I think he should take a serious break from progaming. he mentions numerous times in the interview after the match that he "practiced until his arms felt like falling off" and how he will practice even harder than that for the final and personally I feel that theres a point where you cross the line between hard work and overstrain. the worst case scenario is that he won't be able to play anymore and if that happens everything becomes meaningless. health first. flash please don't overdo it..
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4126 Posts
June 03 2011 00:30 GMT
#114
Yea I really hope Flash takes a few months off to rest. Hes still young so there's plenty of time left for progaming in him. It would break my heart if he had to retire like that.
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
June 03 2011 01:09 GMT
#115
I can't accept that Flash would be that stupid. Surely he just made the decision that even he can't overcome a months long break from practicing and would rather just burn out extending his reign as bonjwa for as long as possible, for the record books, and then move on to a new career. Surely he's not just ignoring the problem of his injury in the hopes that it will go away....
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
June 03 2011 01:15 GMT
#116
As much I like to see Flash lose, I don't wanna see him go just yet. This is like the biggest waste of talent in BW.

On June 03 2011 09:28 white_horse wrote:
he mentions numerous times in the interview after the match that he "practiced until his arms felt like falling off" and how he will practice even harder than that for the final.

I remember this and all the while this is what I thought to be the cause. Well I guess he overworked himself and it resulted to this, I hope he learns to rest more.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 01:18:06
June 03 2011 01:16 GMT
#117
Of course he knows its not going to go away by itself, he's not dumb. Odds are after surgery he still will never be 100% again. Best case scenario for him would be to sit out the post-season (and stx masters, etc), take the entire summer, get whatever treatments/surgery/etc he needs, and after recovery sees if he can ever get back to it again. There's no happy ending here

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And to all the flash haters, sure your favorite players will have an easier time winning titles if he wasn't around, but it also wouldn't have the same glory as beating the best of the best :/
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
June 03 2011 01:19 GMT
#118
Only problem is that people are going to say it's Flash's wrists if he loses to Zero even though I doubt that would be the reason at all.
Reyis
Profile Joined August 2009
Pitcairn287 Posts
June 03 2011 01:25 GMT
#119
well, whenever flash loses or plays bad in his games its always him blaming it on lack of practice which was caused by his wrist injury, it is so cheap. he should really start to respect his opponents whenever he loses the game instead of smiling arrogantly for 5 minutes in the booth while looking at the screen and then exit the booth and walk away like a boss.

flash is probably the best player out there right now in terms of in-game mechanics, while on the other hand he is probably the most dumb person outside the game. just look how he is praising jaedong for being an "EXCELLENT" player:

A I feel a bit uncomfortable with it. I can't really express it with words.
The Jaedong-hyun that I wished to meet in the finals has lost, the feeling
is just as bad as if I had lost personally. Jaedong-hyun is an excellent
progamer, I believe that one day he will definately make the finals again.


he thinks that jaedong will be at top more longer than him. it is because of him being the dumb and killing his condition with overkill practice schedules while jaedong can keep the amount at normal which he is capable and be more efficent with it. we also see whenever jaedong does what flash have been doing in the past, which have caused him throw games to rookies such as Baby in very important times. If these doesnt suit u all, then just take a look at ggplay and his injury.

Ironically if flash loses this final, which would be normal, watch how he is gonna blame it on his injury and lack of practice even though he knows and acknowledges how zero can be very good sometimes and then continue playing for another starleague run.

his will and wits are admirable, but he is just too dumb. or maybe unlucky?
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ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
June 03 2011 01:39 GMT
#120
On June 03 2011 10:25 Reyis wrote:
well, whenever flash loses or plays bad in his games its always him blaming it on lack of practice which was caused by his wrist injury, it is so cheap. he should really start to respect his opponents whenever he loses the game instead of smiling arrogantly for 5 minutes in the booth while looking at the screen and then exit the booth and walk away like a boss.

flash is probably the best player out there right now in terms of in-game mechanics, while on the other hand he is probably the most dumb person outside the game. just look how he is praising jaedong for being an "EXCELLENT" player:

Show nested quote +
A I feel a bit uncomfortable with it. I can't really express it with words.
The Jaedong-hyun that I wished to meet in the finals has lost, the feeling
is just as bad as if I had lost personally. Jaedong-hyun is an excellent
progamer, I believe that one day he will definately make the finals again.


he thinks that jaedong will be at top more longer than him. it is because of him being the dumb and killing his condition with overkill practice schedules while jaedong can keep the amount at normal which he is capable and be more efficent with it. we also see whenever jaedong does what flash have been doing in the past, which have caused him throw games to rookies such as Baby in very important times. If these doesnt suit u all, then just take a look at ggplay and his injury.

Ironically if flash loses this final, which would be normal, watch how he is gonna blame it on his injury and lack of practice even though he knows and acknowledges how zero can be very good sometimes and then continue playing for another starleague run.

his will and wits are admirable, but he is just too dumb. or maybe unlucky?


I dont know where you got your facts from.. But your hates aside (every1 hates on someone, like how i hate Hydra w a passion :x), Flash wins with something else rather than his in-game mechanics alone. In fact, his in-game mechanics can hardly be argued to be the best. Imo, Bisu Jaedong and a few others have better mechanics than he does.. What help Flash even the odds is that "ingenuity magic" of his, along w this new hack called "star sense" (others have too, just less).
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
June 03 2011 01:47 GMT
#121
On June 03 2011 10:25 Reyis wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
well, whenever flash loses or plays bad in his games its always him blaming it on lack of practice which was caused by his wrist injury, it is so cheap. he should really start to respect his opponents whenever he loses the game instead of smiling arrogantly for 5 minutes in the booth while looking at the screen and then exit the booth and walk away like a boss.

flash is probably the best player out there right now in terms of in-game mechanics, while on the other hand he is probably the most dumb person outside the game. just look how he is praising jaedong for being an "EXCELLENT" player:

A I feel a bit uncomfortable with it. I can't really express it with words.
The Jaedong-hyun that I wished to meet in the finals has lost, the feeling
is just as bad as if I had lost personally. Jaedong-hyun is an excellent
progamer, I believe that one day he will definately make the finals again.


he thinks that jaedong will be at top more longer than him. it is because of him being the dumb and killing his condition with overkill practice schedules while jaedong can keep the amount at normal which he is capable and be more efficent with it. we also see whenever jaedong does what flash have been doing in the past, which have caused him throw games to rookies such as Baby in very important times. If these doesnt suit u all, then just take a look at ggplay and his injury.

Ironically if flash loses this final, which would be normal, watch how he is gonna blame it on his injury and lack of practice even though he knows and acknowledges how zero can be very good sometimes and then continue playing for another starleague run.

his will and wits are admirable, but he is just too dumb. or maybe unlucky?

Your post reeks of baseless hatred, I hope you can see that at least. Flash has never blamed his losses on his wrists, even when they might have been the cause. ALL progamers, when addressed in interviews with statements like "You lost in the MSL ro16" reply along the lines of "I clearly wasn't prepared enough, I apologize to my fans and I'll try better next time". Flash is extremely manner, and he's friends with both JD and Zero, of course he's going to say good things about them. If flash ends up losing in the finals, when asked about it in a following interview he'll congratulate Zero and say he'll try better next time (assuming he doesn't retire because of his wrist), he will not (nor has he ever) say anything like what you wrote.
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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
June 03 2011 02:06 GMT
#122
On June 03 2011 10:25 Reyis wrote:
well, whenever flash loses or plays bad in his games its always him blaming it on lack of practice which was caused by his wrist injury, it is so cheap. he should really start to respect his opponents whenever he loses the game instead of smiling arrogantly for 5 minutes in the booth while looking at the screen and then exit the booth and walk away like a boss.

flash is probably the best player out there right now in terms of in-game mechanics, while on the other hand he is probably the most dumb person outside the game. just look how he is praising jaedong for being an "EXCELLENT" player:

Show nested quote +
A I feel a bit uncomfortable with it. I can't really express it with words.
The Jaedong-hyun that I wished to meet in the finals has lost, the feeling
is just as bad as if I had lost personally. Jaedong-hyun is an excellent
progamer, I believe that one day he will definately make the finals again.


he thinks that jaedong will be at top more longer than him. it is because of him being the dumb and killing his condition with overkill practice schedules while jaedong can keep the amount at normal which he is capable and be more efficent with it. we also see whenever jaedong does what flash have been doing in the past, which have caused him throw games to rookies such as Baby in very important times. If these doesnt suit u all, then just take a look at ggplay and his injury.

Ironically if flash loses this final, which would be normal, watch how he is gonna blame it on his injury and lack of practice even though he knows and acknowledges how zero can be very good sometimes and then continue playing for another starleague run.

his will and wits are admirable, but he is just too dumb. or maybe unlucky?

Wow this guy is very very reluctant to read past interviews.
When flash lost last time, he said he could've done better, not "i practiced too much and broke my wrists."

Let's just hope Flash can win another dual finals before he's finished.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51441 Posts
June 03 2011 02:11 GMT
#123
yeh please take a sabbatical after this pl season flash.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
June 03 2011 02:13 GMT
#124
PLU bbs had a Daily E-Sports pic

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NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 02:38:56
June 03 2011 02:22 GMT
#125
On June 03 2011 11:13 infinitestory wrote:
PLU bbs had a Daily E-Sports pic

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[image loading]

That is his mouse hand, right? The cut disappeared already? Only his wrist....
Ahhh...That's why he's wearing the black Kt uniform(bring it back )

I think that he'll retire sometime soonafter they win the pl gold but he'll do an EffOrt when his treatment is done .
"Start yo" -FlaSh
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
June 03 2011 02:24 GMT
#126
That cut was from an old image. His wrist was very swollen yesterday though (check out the youtube I linked on page 6).
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Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
June 03 2011 02:47 GMT
#127
On June 03 2011 06:22 disciple wrote:
ABC MSL Finals winner interview

Congratulations, you are now even with NaDa on starleague titles! Anything you want to say about it

Flash: It feels incredible. However, I cant drink any champaign now cause alcohol shouldn't mix with the painkillers I'm taking for my wrist. I wasn't even sure I could play in this final, doctor said I wont make it. But I practiced hard till I couldnt hold a glass with my hand and it paid of. I was lucky to 3-0 ZerO who is like the best zerg player right now, I was expecting 3-2 if Im honest at best.


or...

random PL winners interview

You recently lost the MSL final. Any regrets about it? How is your wrist btw?

Flash: Glad you asked that. My wrist cannot be healed, there is no way around it. I couldn't practice because of it, had a couple of games with Hoejja the night before the final but it was like playing against the computer, I wanted to have my timings right and rely on my basics. It still wasnt enough thou and I'm sad I lost 2-3 to my opponent,whatwashisname.


Nice hahaha. I really fault Flash not because he brings it up, niterviewers ask him after all, but because he volunteers useless information about it that will give him leverage, just as disiple says. Just say its being treated end of story next question. No need for the incurable painkiller drama. Look at this for example:

Commentator: Is there anything you'd like to say to your fans? Any promises and thanks you'd like to give?

Flash I really practiced until I was going to go crazy, so my arm hurts a lot right now. But every time I thought of the fans and remembered how I was knocked out early in the last tournament. I really practiced like my arm was going to break, and I'll practice even harder for the finals.
[/quote]

Did he really need to mention his arm in such a manner. Everybody makes sacrifices. This is just being dramatic about it. I could also imagine his interview when he loses in the MSL finals going like this:

Commentator: Is there anything you'd like to say to your fans? Any promises and thanks you'd like to give?

Flash: Glad you asked that. My wrist cannot be healed, there is no way around it. I thought of how I was eliminated last season so I practiced even though me arm hurt so much that I felt like dying. I had a couple of games with Hoejja the night before the final but it was like playing against the computer, I wanted to have my timings right and rely on my basics. In the game, my arm finally gave in, so I played with my left hand and using the mouse only. Even though I prepared hard for my fans, I'm sorry to lose even though I still had my left hand functioning well. I promise to practice to death until my left hand falls off also.




koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
June 03 2011 03:04 GMT
#128
It is a pretty common expression in Korean. In example, "I'm going to study until I go crazy". From the way you guys are taking it, I'm just going to have to assume that you guys are lacking a certain cultural understanding and sensibility.
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
June 03 2011 03:13 GMT
#129
On June 03 2011 10:25 Reyis wrote:
well, whenever flash loses or plays bad in his games its always him blaming it on lack of practice which was caused by his wrist injury, it is so cheap. he should really start to respect his opponents whenever he loses the game instead of smiling arrogantly for 5 minutes in the booth while looking at the screen and then exit the booth and walk away like a boss.

flash is probably the best player out there right now in terms of in-game mechanics, while on the other hand he is probably the most dumb person outside the game. just look how he is praising jaedong for being an "EXCELLENT" player:

Show nested quote +
A I feel a bit uncomfortable with it. I can't really express it with words.
The Jaedong-hyun that I wished to meet in the finals has lost, the feeling
is just as bad as if I had lost personally. Jaedong-hyun is an excellent
progamer, I believe that one day he will definately make the finals again.


he thinks that jaedong will be at top more longer than him. it is because of him being the dumb and killing his condition with overkill practice schedules while jaedong can keep the amount at normal which he is capable and be more efficent with it. we also see whenever jaedong does what flash have been doing in the past, which have caused him throw games to rookies such as Baby in very important times. If these doesnt suit u all, then just take a look at ggplay and his injury.

Ironically if flash loses this final, which would be normal, watch how he is gonna blame it on his injury and lack of practice even though he knows and acknowledges how zero can be very good sometimes and then continue playing for another starleague run.

his will and wits are admirable, but he is just too dumb. or maybe unlucky?


Just as I though disciple's misinterpretation cannot be topped lol. How the hell did you manage to get everything so wrong? It's almost uncanny...
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
June 03 2011 03:29 GMT
#130
I don't think it is fair to say that his wrists are detrimental to his play in the match, so it's not a crutch for losing or winning. He has never used that as an excuse unlike other players who keep mentioning about poor health etc. It just hurts and that's a fact, what else is he supposed to say about it?
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
June 03 2011 03:29 GMT
#131
tbh these haters are getting more and more ignorant with each comment
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champignones
Profile Joined September 2008
Panama160 Posts
June 03 2011 03:45 GMT
#132
On June 03 2011 12:29 mnesthes wrote:
tbh these haters are getting more and more ignorant with each comment

i agree the level of stupidity of haters is proportional to the amount of comments growth among haters.
you shouldnt worry if everybody ignore you, you should be worry when they dont anymore.
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
June 03 2011 03:49 GMT
#133
3 kt tags in a row agreeing with each other, really?
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
June 03 2011 03:50 GMT
#134
On June 03 2011 12:49 gen.Sun wrote:
3 kt tags in a row agreeing with each other, really?


I got an OZ icon

I agree with them

are you happy?
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nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
June 03 2011 03:58 GMT
#135
let's start a donation for bionic wrists for Flash.
PM me if you want random korean images translated.
rickybobby
Profile Joined October 2010
United States405 Posts
June 03 2011 03:59 GMT
#136
flash's wrist being incurable really sucks balls but hopefully after he rolls ZerO he can let it rest a bit or something so its not so painful
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
June 03 2011 04:09 GMT
#137
Hmm my long-existent stance against S-class apologists remains, but in all honesty, disciple seems to be replying to future posts by some fanboys instead of purely addressing Flash's conduct in interviews. Flash isn't saying anything wrong. But disciple knows that when Flash's to anyone, including Zero, the accomplishment of the opponent is diminished because people will claim Flash's wrist played a hand in his defeat (+10 points for the pun). But that's not Flash's fault. If Flash was perfectly healthy and lost, people still wouldn't accept that the opponent simply played better. It's the nature of morons.

As for disciple's other piece of criticism, I dismiss it entirely! Flash has been the best in the game hands down for the last two years by a fairly large margin (I'm sorry Jaedong, but you had 3 shots at him after power outage and you didn't cut it). If other players can't touch him even when he's injured, than that just shows how good Flash is... Other players don't want to look bad? Win some games, please.

Anyway, disciple's follow up posts show some intense emotional bias....
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 03 2011 04:09 GMT
#138
Flash will more than likely play for a few more months, then probably after doing all he can do, retire from BW, get surgery on his hand, and then rest for a year or so before switching over to SC2 where he can take up a new challenge while using the year off to get the basics from the game.

Hopefully he wins the MSL Finals since he's my favorite player. Also, the whole, 'Why is he bringing up his wrist injury?' is a silly comment. Look at any sport where the best player has an injury. All they are ever asked about is that injury and how they're dealing with it. If the best player in a sport could retire from said injury, the reporters would be going crazy with the questions. If Flash leaves BW, that's a huge blow to the whole scene.
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Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
June 03 2011 04:18 GMT
#139
On June 03 2011 01:26 Armathai wrote:
Thanks for translating!
I hope someone picks up on the Vod Moktira posted as well :O

I think the issue with his wrist is as such that in order to treat it he'll have to take an actual extended break from BW, but given that he can (with constraints) still perform, he probably will push himself until Proleague playoffs are done (possibly even until next OSL season is done) before taking this break.

Rooting for Flash like never before, everyone except the die-hard Zero fans should be, this might be his last finals despite his overwhelming genius at the game.


...i think ill root for zero, flash has won enough already
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
June 03 2011 04:20 GMT
#140
On June 03 2011 12:49 gen.Sun wrote:
3 kt tags in a row agreeing with each other, really?


instead of looking at the tags please read their posts.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19230 Posts
June 03 2011 04:20 GMT
#141
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.


With this attitude it sounds like he should just play SC2 that way his hands will last longer.

If all he can think about are his wrists after winning then the pain must be legit.
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zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
June 03 2011 04:20 GMT
#142
On June 03 2011 13:09 Fionn wrote:
Flash will more than likely play for a few more months, then probably after doing all he can do, retire from BW, get surgery on his hand, and then rest for a year or so before switching over to SC2 where he can take up a new challenge while using the year off to get the basics from the game.


Why would Flash play a game that won't reward him for the amount of work he puts into it?
4vvhiplash7
Profile Joined December 2010
South Africa392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 04:32:31
June 03 2011 04:31 GMT
#143
WoW!! there are some serious idiots posting in this thread! give it a break already!

Besides, has Flash said anything about retiring?

(I'm not referring to the guys who posted above me, I'm referring to the thread as a whole)
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
June 03 2011 04:33 GMT
#144
On June 03 2011 10:25 Reyis wrote:
well, whenever flash loses or plays bad in his games its always him blaming it on lack of practice which was caused by his wrist injury, it is so cheap. he should really start to respect his opponents whenever he loses the game instead of smiling arrogantly for 5 minutes in the booth while looking at the screen and then exit the booth and walk away like a boss.

flash is probably the best player out there right now in terms of in-game mechanics, while on the other hand he is probably the most dumb person outside the game. just look how he is praising jaedong for being an "EXCELLENT" player:

Show nested quote +
A I feel a bit uncomfortable with it. I can't really express it with words.
The Jaedong-hyun that I wished to meet in the finals has lost, the feeling
is just as bad as if I had lost personally. Jaedong-hyun is an excellent
progamer, I believe that one day he will definately make the finals again.


he thinks that jaedong will be at top more longer than him. it is because of him being the dumb and killing his condition with overkill practice schedules while jaedong can keep the amount at normal which he is capable and be more efficent with it. we also see whenever jaedong does what flash have been doing in the past, which have caused him throw games to rookies such as Baby in very important times. If these doesnt suit u all, then just take a look at ggplay and his injury.

Ironically if flash loses this final, which would be normal, watch how he is gonna blame it on his injury and lack of practice even though he knows and acknowledges how zero can be very good sometimes and then continue playing for another starleague run.

his will and wits are admirable, but he is just too dumb. or maybe unlucky?

Name an interview where Flash blamed a loss on his hands. After the Power Outage MSL, Flash was a gentleman and said that rattled nerves from the G3 fiasco had NOT been a factor in G4 --- an obvious white lie in order to not discredit Jaedong's victory. (Flash's G4 was bullshit and it was clear that the unfair circumstances had shaken him.) Generally I have observed Flash to be very respectful towards fellow players. Flash also says very kind things about his teammates, giving confidence to the rookies, and is friends with players from several other teams (Effort, Jaedong, Fantasy at least).

People think Flash is arrogant because he's the best. So what if he smiles when he loses? Being able to appreciate your opponent's good play even in defeat is actually a mark of good sportsmanship.

Zero on the other hand is always bashing his teammates and saying cocky things like "I played so well I gave myself chills." If Flash were 1% as BM as Zero then basically everyone would loathe him.

Also Baby isn't a rookie.

Basically everything you said is wrong. Whatever, you're still going to hate Flash and think all the same things you already think. The only reason I typed this out is that your post aggravated me by being so conceited, so, troll accomplished I guess.
May the BeSt man win.
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
June 03 2011 04:48 GMT
#145
zero has this thing called a 'personality'

i dont think theres anything wrong with him being 'bm', everyone loves woongjin interviews around here
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
LaoShuAiDaMi
Profile Joined September 2009
United States88 Posts
June 03 2011 04:49 GMT
#146
Well I hope that disciple and co are right about flash exaggerating his wrist condition because otherwise it would be terrible.

That being said, my IQ went down several points reading this thread and I shall not see them ever again =(
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
June 03 2011 04:54 GMT
#147
On June 03 2011 13:48 Legatus Lanius wrote:
zero has this thing called a 'personality'

i dont think theres anything wrong with him being 'bm', everyone loves woongjin interviews around here

Of course Zero has a personality. As for BM, Firebathero is one of my all-time favorite players. But if they won as much as Flash did, people would get tired of their personalities real fast. (OK, maybe not FBH.) Flash is about as polite and respectful as it gets, and people think he's arrogant --- I'm just contrasting him with people who actually say arrogant things instead of being "arrogant" by winning too much.
May the BeSt man win.
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
June 03 2011 05:13 GMT
#148
Flash wouldn't be the first top class pro sporter to kill off his own career. Practicing so much at such a young age will have consequences, and he is just paying the price. Obviously he should take a break but a guy with his mindset might get hurt more (mentally) by not practicing. His coaches should defend him against himself but history tells us not to expect too much in that field from KT.

About the bad manner: I think that Flash really did practice his ass off because he was impressed by Hydra's play of late. However his opponent kinda imploded and Flash had an easy match where he expected a hard-fought battle. He's just disappointed, that's all.
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
Assymptotic
Profile Joined February 2009
United States552 Posts
June 03 2011 05:28 GMT
#149
Oh god, if Flash doesn't win that Golden Badge before he's forced to retire, he may hate himself for the rest of his life.
So close, and yet so far
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
June 03 2011 05:34 GMT
#150
Wow are people really bashing Flash for talking about his wrists?

Everyone is concerned about it, and so the e-sports journalists are compelled to ask him about it, and so he responds.

It's not like he's preaching on the street about how bad his poor widdle wrists are.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
June 03 2011 05:38 GMT
#151
bisu wouldve been the best player ever if he practised until he destroyed his wrists like flash did, but i guess he wants to stay in the game a bit longer
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
June 03 2011 05:48 GMT
#152
On June 03 2011 14:38 Legatus Lanius wrote:
bisu wouldve been the best player ever if he practised until he destroyed his wrists like flash did, but i guess he wants to spend more time perfecting his hair


Fixed.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 03 2011 05:53 GMT
#153
On June 03 2011 10:25 Reyis wrote:
well, whenever flash loses or plays bad in his games its always him blaming it on lack of practice which was caused by his wrist injury, it is so cheap. he should really start to respect his opponents whenever he loses the game instead of smiling arrogantly for 5 minutes in the booth while looking at the screen and then exit the booth and walk away like a boss.

flash is probably the best player out there right now in terms of in-game mechanics, while on the other hand he is probably the most dumb person outside the game. just look how he is praising jaedong for being an "EXCELLENT" player:

Show nested quote +
A I feel a bit uncomfortable with it. I can't really express it with words.
The Jaedong-hyun that I wished to meet in the finals has lost, the feeling
is just as bad as if I had lost personally. Jaedong-hyun is an excellent
progamer, I believe that one day he will definately make the finals again.


he thinks that jaedong will be at top more longer than him. it is because of him being the dumb and killing his condition with overkill practice schedules while jaedong can keep the amount at normal which he is capable and be more efficent with it. we also see whenever jaedong does what flash have been doing in the past, which have caused him throw games to rookies such as Baby in very important times. If these doesnt suit u all, then just take a look at ggplay and his injury.

Ironically if flash loses this final, which would be normal, watch how he is gonna blame it on his injury and lack of practice even though he knows and acknowledges how zero can be very good sometimes and then continue playing for another starleague run.

his will and wits are admirable, but he is just too dumb. or maybe unlucky?


1) I've never once seen him blame a loss on his injury or lack of practice, and I read every one of his interviews.
2) He never said that Jaedong will be at the top longer than him. He said that he thinks Jaedong will make the finals again. What the hell are you talking about? Are you aware of the fact that more than one person can make the finals?
3) Flash made six straight finals and won four of them last year, and is now in the finals again. Did Jaedong do this? No. Clearly, Flash's methods are working out for now.
4) How the hell would it be normal for Flash to lose the final? He's won his last 7 BO5's and this is the first time ever that Zero's made it to the finals. Clearly you're just mad because Flash won. Stop being an idiot.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 03 2011 05:55 GMT
#154
On June 03 2011 14:38 Legatus Lanius wrote:
bisu wouldve been the best player ever if he practised until he destroyed his wrists like flash did, but i guess he wants to stay in the game a bit longer


Yeah, not making it into a RO16 for two years is really what he wants in his career.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
June 03 2011 06:02 GMT
#155
On June 03 2011 14:55 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 14:38 Legatus Lanius wrote:
bisu wouldve been the best player ever if he practised until he destroyed his wrists like flash did, but i guess he wants to stay in the game a bit longer


Yeah, not making it into a RO16 for two years is really what he wants in his career.


it sure beats RSI and corti shots
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
June 03 2011 06:03 GMT
#156
Wow i guess no one lives forever.

Wait flash is still soooo young... and his career is already fading in a sense!?!?!??!

Wow...!
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alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
June 03 2011 06:08 GMT
#157
The haters on TL are reaching new milestones everyday. Their posts become more and more idiotic, making themselves look meaner with each post.
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
June 03 2011 06:12 GMT
#158
On June 03 2011 15:08 alypse wrote:
The haters on TL are reaching new milestones everyday. Their posts become more and more idiotic, making themselves look meaner with each post.

tbh this started with disciple's rants which seemed to have unofficially condoned this line of posts in here due to him being a red. Even as a red though that rant was over the line and inappropriate. He said Flash should lie and say "shit is ok" when asked about his wrists, well its not and his fans are actually worried and want to be updated about his condition. You can bet that if it were Bisu that developed symptoms or an illness that could threaten his career disciple and all the other Bisu fans would want every update possible, and they wouldn't appreciate people going into Bisu interview threads saying "Bisu should just stfu already and just say he's ok, stop hiding behind those injuries".

Flash's wrist is visibly wrong, it is not a faked illness. It is extremely serious, and it matters to his fans. For all the Flash haters that followed after disciple, you guys hate flash? great, you don't need to shit all over this thread. He didn't say anything BM in his interview. He has never, not once excused his losses on his wrists. I don't even know where these latest arguments come from, like him being bm because he smiles when he loses or that flash is dumb for praising his friends JD and Zero..

When one of the leading stars in any sport has a serious illness/condition, he will get asked about it, and often because its important. He shouldn't have to lie about it so his antifans can be happier. I was actually dumbfounded by the level of some of the comments in this thread.

I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 03 2011 06:30 GMT
#159
On June 03 2011 15:02 Legatus Lanius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 14:55 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 03 2011 14:38 Legatus Lanius wrote:
bisu wouldve been the best player ever if he practised until he destroyed his wrists like flash did, but i guess he wants to stay in the game a bit longer


Yeah, not making it into a RO16 for two years is really what he wants in his career.


it sure beats RSI and corti shots


Accomplishing nothing for two years and being pain free is better than enduring some pain while becoming one of the greatest ever?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 06:37:17
June 03 2011 06:32 GMT
#160
On June 03 2011 04:04 disciple wrote:
Flash should shut the fuck up already. He has my sympathy about his injury and it really sucks for him to play under such conditions, it sucks for the game and his fans in general if he retires.

But you dont beat the current champion 3-0 and talk about wrist problem and how it cannot be cured. What Flash is doing with this is terrible and wrong because:
  • It makes the competition look like a complete bunch of incompetent idiots
  • Basically can use the issue as an excuse whenever he feels like it.


Flash is like oov cocky and arrogant at this point.

So, the guy is honest about his wrist condition that has been well-known to be a serious problem, and you think this is disrespecting his opponents.

You are ridiculous and unbelievable. He's not trying to be cocky and arrogant. He's an 18 year old kid with a serious wrist problem that everyone wants to know about, so they're all asking about it.

edit:

and what the HELL is this???

On June 03 2011 10:25 Reyis wrote:
well, whenever flash loses or plays bad in his games its always him blaming it on lack of practice which was caused by his wrist injury, it is so cheap. he should really start to respect his opponents whenever he loses the game instead of smiling arrogantly for 5 minutes in the booth while looking at the screen and then exit the booth and walk away like a boss.

flash is probably the best player out there right now in terms of in-game mechanics, while on the other hand he is probably the most dumb person outside the game. just look how he is praising jaedong for being an "EXCELLENT" player:

Show nested quote +
A I feel a bit uncomfortable with it. I can't really express it with words.
The Jaedong-hyun that I wished to meet in the finals has lost, the feeling
is just as bad as if I had lost personally. Jaedong-hyun is an excellent
progamer, I believe that one day he will definately make the finals again.


he thinks that jaedong will be at top more longer than him. it is because of him being the dumb and killing his condition with overkill practice schedules while jaedong can keep the amount at normal which he is capable and be more efficent with it. we also see whenever jaedong does what flash have been doing in the past, which have caused him throw games to rookies such as Baby in very important times. If these doesnt suit u all, then just take a look at ggplay and his injury.

Ironically if flash loses this final, which would be normal, watch how he is gonna blame it on his injury and lack of practice even though he knows and acknowledges how zero can be very good sometimes and then continue playing for another starleague run.

his will and wits are admirable, but he is just too dumb. or maybe unlucky?

I suppose you have a Ph.D in psychology from the excellent analysis you just put out, right? I mean, there's no other way that you could make that incredible examination of Flash's personality and actions right? Especially in the lack of evidence that you somehow create out of nowhere?

Levels of blatant hate built on pure BS are rising to new levels here. This is unbelievable.
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
June 03 2011 06:57 GMT
#161
On June 03 2011 15:30 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 15:02 Legatus Lanius wrote:
On June 03 2011 14:55 GolemMadness wrote:
On June 03 2011 14:38 Legatus Lanius wrote:
bisu wouldve been the best player ever if he practised until he destroyed his wrists like flash did, but i guess he wants to stay in the game a bit longer


Yeah, not making it into a RO16 for two years is really what he wants in his career.


it sure beats RSI and corti shots


Accomplishing nothing for two years and being pain free is better than enduring some pain while becoming one of the greatest ever?


id hardly call it some pain since hes getting needles for it =/ the word 'incurable' doesnt really inspire confidence

bisus playing very good starcraft atm and he is already one of the greatests ever. he should be very proud of himself, i dont consider his awesome streak in proleague 'nothing'
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
June 03 2011 07:27 GMT
#162
The big difference is that Bisu can actually take a break because they have Fantasy to do something about it. Fantasy in important games is probably the most dangerous player out there. You get Jaedong or Flash to take any sort of a break and the whole team collapses and they know that so they keep on playing despite any physical problems.

I wouldn't be surprised if he just takes a really long break after Proleague, there's only one round left and if they can't reach 2nd or 1st they'll just do what they did last year and ride the momentum.
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
June 03 2011 08:05 GMT
#163
On June 03 2011 15:12 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 15:08 alypse wrote:
The haters on TL are reaching new milestones everyday. Their posts become more and more idiotic, making themselves look meaner with each post.

tbh this started with disciple's rants which seemed to have unofficially condoned this line of posts in here due to him being a red. Even as a red though that rant was over the line and inappropriate. He said Flash should lie and say "shit is ok" when asked about his wrists, well its not and his fans are actually worried and want to be updated about his condition. You can bet that if it were Bisu that developed symptoms or an illness that could threaten his career disciple and all the other Bisu fans would want every update possible, and they wouldn't appreciate people going into Bisu interview threads saying "Bisu should just stfu already and just say he's ok, stop hiding behind those injuries".

Flash's wrist is visibly wrong, it is not a faked illness. It is extremely serious, and it matters to his fans. For all the Flash haters that followed after disciple, you guys hate flash? great, you don't need to shit all over this thread. He didn't say anything BM in his interview. He has never, not once excused his losses on his wrists. I don't even know where these latest arguments come from, like him being bm because he smiles when he loses or that flash is dumb for praising his friends JD and Zero..

When one of the leading stars in any sport has a serious illness/condition, he will get asked about it, and often because its important. He shouldn't have to lie about it so his antifans can be happier. I was actually dumbfounded by the level of some of the comments in this thread.


Fucking bravo. Took the words right out of my mind.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
onewingedmoogle
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada434 Posts
June 03 2011 09:23 GMT
#164
i'd hate to see flash be turned into a what if story if his wrists get to a point where he is not able to compete anymore. he really should take a long break and let his wrists relieve the stress hes been putting on them. better that he can have a chance to continue his career than push himself for just one more season and be forced to call it quits. (unless hes been planning to go back to school and change his life path or something or the other)
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
June 03 2011 10:37 GMT
#165
On June 03 2011 18:23 onewingedmoogle wrote:
i'd hate to see flash be turned into a what if story if his wrists get to a point where he is not able to compete anymore. he really should take a long break and let his wrists relieve the stress hes been putting on them. better that he can have a chance to continue his career than push himself for just one more season and be forced to call it quits. (unless hes been planning to go back to school and change his life path or something or the other)


What if stories generally involves a promising youngster cut down before achieving what was obviously his for the taking...I think flash has already taken enough titles to exclude him from a what if story. I mean...the only way to make flash more successful in a season is to make a new tournament for him to sweep a season more dominantly than 2010
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
June 03 2011 10:51 GMT
#166
Q 上一场半决赛jaedong出局你是否遗憾
Q in the first semifinal group Jaedong lost, do you regret that?
A 总觉得很不好受。我无法用语言表达。我希望在决赛中遇到的宿敌jaedong桑苏输
了,感觉就像我自己输掉一样不好受。jaedong桑苏是优秀的选手,我觉得他总有一
天能重新打进决赛。
A I feel a bit uncomfortable with it. I can't really express it with words.
The Jaedong-hyun that I wished to meet in the finals has lost, the feeling
is just as bad as if I had lost personally. Jaedong-hyun is an excellent
progamer, I believe that one day he will definately make the finals again.


This is spoken like a true champion imo. Flash is growing up to become a very mature competitor.

"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
hoppipolla
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia782 Posts
June 03 2011 11:13 GMT
#167
I don't see how anyone can say Flash is arrogant, he always come off as so humble and mature in his interviews. He is a true superstar and I know I will be cheering for him in the finals.
"It's not acceptable"
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
June 03 2011 11:19 GMT
#168
Does anyone even know what Flash's condition is? Why is everyone jumping to conclusions about retirement?
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
June 03 2011 11:33 GMT
#169
On June 03 2011 01:54 4vvhiplash7 wrote:
I just went to fomos.kr to read their version of the same interview and this how they translated Flash's response:

"They can’t fix it at the hospital, they told me it shouldn’t bother me too much. I’ve been going to the oriental medical clinic, but I don’t think it’s helping LOL. I practice under a flexible schedule because of my hands, I rest when I need to. During the stove league I am planning on getting ample rest."

I'm not sure what the 'stove league' is? any ideas?

Stove period = off-season.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
4vvhiplash7
Profile Joined December 2010
South Africa392 Posts
June 03 2011 11:34 GMT
#170
On June 03 2011 15:12 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 15:08 alypse wrote:
The haters on TL are reaching new milestones everyday. Their posts become more and more idiotic, making themselves look meaner with each post.

tbh this started with disciple's rants which seemed to have unofficially condoned this line of posts in here due to him being a red. Even as a red though that rant was over the line and inappropriate. He said Flash should lie and say "shit is ok" when asked about his wrists, well its not and his fans are actually worried and want to be updated about his condition. You can bet that if it were Bisu that developed symptoms or an illness that could threaten his career disciple and all the other Bisu fans would want every update possible, and they wouldn't appreciate people going into Bisu interview threads saying "Bisu should just stfu already and just say he's ok, stop hiding behind those injuries".

Flash's wrist is visibly wrong, it is not a faked illness. It is extremely serious, and it matters to his fans. For all the Flash haters that followed after disciple, you guys hate flash? great, you don't need to shit all over this thread. He didn't say anything BM in his interview. He has never, not once excused his losses on his wrists. I don't even know where these latest arguments come from, like him being bm because he smiles when he loses or that flash is dumb for praising his friends JD and Zero..

When one of the leading stars in any sport has a serious illness/condition, he will get asked about it, and often because its important. He shouldn't have to lie about it so his antifans can be happier. I was actually dumbfounded by the level of some of the comments in this thread.



Thank you. Spot on. Anybody with some sense / rationale should and would agree with you. I'm quite disappointed by Disciple's rant. It was really over the line and unnecessary... If you're not a flash fan and don't like him much, SHUT UP! Just don't abuse your Red status...
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
June 03 2011 12:03 GMT
#171
[image loading]
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
June 03 2011 12:04 GMT
#172
ahahah nice
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
June 03 2011 12:05 GMT
#173
I totally expected every single flash fan to embrace my point of view
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
June 03 2011 12:16 GMT
#174
On June 03 2011 21:05 disciple wrote:
I totally expected every single flash fan to embrace my point of view

More like only the more hardcore antifans did _not_ think you were acting like a total jerk
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 13:08:13
June 03 2011 12:29 GMT
#175
look, on a more serious note. I just re-read all my rants from yesterday. At no point of them I havent said anything offensive or insulted Flash as a person or as a player in any way. Its distasteful to make jokes about one's health issues and at no point in my posts I said he is faking, or made fun of his condition (aside from the dumbledore photoshop which had to be made).

My point is that Flash is selling intentionally or not the whole situation bad imho. Just because he a honest kid telling the truth he shared his concerns about his health, a topic which is related to everyone in the scene, not only his fans. Maybe he does put inhuman effort to be on top of his game given the situation, but adding so much drama to his condition, and constantly pointing out he feels handicapped in his practice time or ingame because of this, makes his competitors look really weak, given his ever dominant record, despite the fact he dropped from the starleagues last season. Maybe he is not doing that by intention but thats the by product of his statements. And given the fact Flash became really cocky in the recent seasons (Saying he cant possibly be beaten in MSL, or when asked what he thinks about the other 7 MSL champions in the group selection he replied with "Huh?") I just dont like the fact he is talking so much about it, making all his fans worry about his condition when he is hands down the best player in the world and his play isnt really showing any signs of a health problem.

Someone said if it was bisu, I would've reacted in the same way. Well 2 years ago Bisu constantly complained about map balance, despite being a beast in PL. Anti-fans made fun of all his complains. Ofc both issues are of a completely different nature, but just like in the case with Bisu, I had enough of flash QQing about his wrist after 3-0ing his opponents.

In any case I do wish his wrist heals as fast as possible so that his fans are not as concerned about his health and so he could focus completely on the game.

I understand the issue is quite sensitive for everyone, especially for his fans who got so easily offended by my controversial posts. Ppl overracted to my rant and it all became quite emotional and out of line. I do apologize for sparking such a flame fest. But I do stand by my words and even thou the way I worded myself was provocative some of the reactions I got were premature as well. Especially about me abusing my status here.

I will make it up for you all by making some wonderful gfx for the MSL finals, which would make even the heart of flash himself warm
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
June 03 2011 13:12 GMT
#176
On June 03 2011 21:03 disciple wrote:
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How classy of you.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
June 03 2011 13:19 GMT
#177
Yeah, it's not you that overreacted and got emotional, it's everyone else.

Kudos.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
June 03 2011 13:23 GMT
#178
dammit, flash... you're a great man.
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Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
June 03 2011 13:28 GMT
#179
On June 03 2011 21:29 disciple wrote:
look, on a more serious note. I just re-read all my rants from yesterday. At no point of them I havent said anything offensive or insulted Flash as a person or as a player in any way. Its distasteful to make jokes about one's health issues and at no point in my posts I said he is faking, or made fun of his condition (aside from the dumbledore photoshop which had to be made).

My point is that Flash is selling intentionally or not the whole situation bad imho. Just because he a honest kid telling the truth he shared his concerns about his health, a topic which is related to everyone in the scene, not only his fans. Maybe he does put inhuman effort to be on top of his game given the situation, but adding so much drama to his condition, and constantly pointing out he feels handicapped in his practice time or ingame because of this, makes his competitors look really weak, given his ever dominant record, despite the fact he dropped from the starleagues last season. Maybe he is not doing that by intention but thats the by product of his statements. And given the fact Flash became really cocky in the recent seasons (Saying he cant possibly be beaten in MSL, or when asked what he thinks about the other 7 MSL champions in the group selection he replied with "Huh?") I just dont like the fact he is talking so much about it, making all his fans worry about his condition when he is hands down the best player in the world and his play isnt really showing any signs of a health problem.

Someone said if it was bisu, I would've reacted in the same way. Well 2 years ago Bisu constantly complained about map balance, despite being a beast in PL. Anti-fans made fun of all his complains. Ofc both issues are of a completely different nature, but just like in the case with Bisu, I had enough of flash QQing about his wrist after 3-0ing his opponents.

In any case I do wish his wrist heals as fast as possible so that his fans are not as concerned about his health and so he could focus completely on the game.

I understand the issue is quite sensitive for everyone, especially for his fans who got so easily offended by my controversial posts. Ppl overracted to my rant and it all became quite emotional and out of line. I do apologize for sparking such a flame fest. But I do stand by my words and even thou the way I worded myself was provocative some of the reactions I got were premature as well. Especially about me abusing my status here.

I will make it up for you all by making some wonderful gfx for the MSL finals, which would make even the heart of flash himself warm

Don't worry disciple. You're not alone. I'm a casual neutral party here, and I think you have a point when you say Flash is somehow milking this issue. Flash fans are just emotional about it, so don't mind them.
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
June 03 2011 13:30 GMT
#180
On June 03 2011 21:29 disciple wrote:
look, on a more serious note. I just re-read all my rants from yesterday. At no point of them I havent said anything offensive or insulted Flash as a person or as a player in any way. Its distasteful to make jokes about one's health issues and at no point in my posts I said he is faking, or made fun of his condition (aside from the dumbledore photoshop which had to be made).

My point is that Flash is selling intentionally or not the whole situation bad imho. Just because he a honest kid telling the truth he shared his concerns about his health, a topic which is related to everyone in the scene, not only his fans. Maybe he does put inhuman effort to be on top of his game given the situation, but adding so much drama to his condition, and constantly pointing out he feels handicapped in his practice time or ingame because of this, makes his competitors look really weak, given his ever dominant record, despite the fact he dropped from the starleagues last season. Maybe he is not doing that by intention but thats the by product of his statements. And given the fact Flash became really cocky in the recent seasons (Saying he cant possibly be beaten in MSL, or when asked what he thinks about the other 7 MSL champions in the group selection he replied with "Huh?") I just dont like the fact he is talking so much about it, making all his fans worry about his condition when he is hands down the best player in the world and his play isnt really showing any signs of a health problem.

Someone said if it was bisu, I would've reacted in the same way. Well 2 years ago Bisu constantly complained about map balance, despite being a beast in PL. Anti-fans made fun of all his complains. Ofc both issues are of a completely different nature, but just like in the case with Bisu, I had enough of flash QQing about his wrist after 3-0ing his opponents.

In any case I do wish his wrist heals as fast as possible so that his fans are not as concerned about his health and so he could focus completely on the game.

I understand the issue is quite sensitive for everyone, especially for his fans who got so easily offended by my controversial posts. Ppl overracted to my rant and it all became quite emotional and out of line. I do apologize for sparking such a flame fest. But I do stand by my words and even thou the way I worded my self was provocative some of the reactions I got were premature as well. Especially about me abusing my status here.


But you still don't get it. Flash never said or even hinted at things you accused him of. What he says is "Yes, I have problems with my wrist, it hurts a lot, but despite it I'm putting everything in incoming matches"...just look at this:

Flash - I really practiced until I was going to go crazy, so my arm hurts a lot right now. But every time I thought of the fans and remembered how I was knocked out early in the last tournament. I really practiced like my arm was going to break, and I'll practice even harder for the finals.

He isn't saying he cannot practice properly because of the hand...he says quite the opposite, that he practice like crazy despite of it! How the fuck can anybody think he is disrespecting his opponents when he says things like that?

Your interpretation of the interview is exactly that - only your (and other antifans) interpretation. Not what Flash said, not what Flash meant, not what almost everybody else understand.

Flash fans are annoyed because you (and others) are literally putting things into his mouth, things he didn't say. Here is something he actually said, after last season individual leagues fiasco

- Does your arm pain have anything to do with your dropping out of both leagues?
▲ No, that’s not true. Though it had been hurting for a while, right now it’s almost a relief I only have proleague to practice for. I’ll work on taking care of my health so I can show a better side of myself.


He has never blamed his performance on his hand. What he wants to say, what almost everybody here understands, is that despite health problems, he is putting everything into his matches. He wants to consolide his fans without outright lying to them.

And here comes the big revelation. Flash makes this interview for his fans! Suprising, eh? He shouldn't give a fuck which twisted meaning his haters try to find in it. He wants to reach to his fans, tell them how he feels, which difficulties he has and how he copes with them. I got the message and I'm sure many other did too. It's only your problem that you see there things which aren't true.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 13:44:16
June 03 2011 13:43 GMT
#181
The interviewer is kind of asking a loaded question, there isn't really any way for him to answer the question without annoying one segment of the community - he can be honest and be accused of making excuses or he can lie and bother his fans. He's not a politician so he's not really trained at giving long winded non-answers nor is he like Midas and able give cute brief answer that don't make sense.

On June 03 2011 22:28 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 21:29 disciple wrote:
look, on a more serious note. I just re-read all my rants from yesterday. At no point of them I havent said anything offensive or insulted Flash as a person or as a player in any way. Its distasteful to make jokes about one's health issues and at no point in my posts I said he is faking, or made fun of his condition (aside from the dumbledore photoshop which had to be made).

My point is that Flash is selling intentionally or not the whole situation bad imho. Just because he a honest kid telling the truth he shared his concerns about his health, a topic which is related to everyone in the scene, not only his fans. Maybe he does put inhuman effort to be on top of his game given the situation, but adding so much drama to his condition, and constantly pointing out he feels handicapped in his practice time or ingame because of this, makes his competitors look really weak, given his ever dominant record, despite the fact he dropped from the starleagues last season. Maybe he is not doing that by intention but thats the by product of his statements. And given the fact Flash became really cocky in the recent seasons (Saying he cant possibly be beaten in MSL, or when asked what he thinks about the other 7 MSL champions in the group selection he replied with "Huh?") I just dont like the fact he is talking so much about it, making all his fans worry about his condition when he is hands down the best player in the world and his play isnt really showing any signs of a health problem.

Someone said if it was bisu, I would've reacted in the same way. Well 2 years ago Bisu constantly complained about map balance, despite being a beast in PL. Anti-fans made fun of all his complains. Ofc both issues are of a completely different nature, but just like in the case with Bisu, I had enough of flash QQing about his wrist after 3-0ing his opponents.

In any case I do wish his wrist heals as fast as possible so that his fans are not as concerned about his health and so he could focus completely on the game.

I understand the issue is quite sensitive for everyone, especially for his fans who got so easily offended by my controversial posts. Ppl overracted to my rant and it all became quite emotional and out of line. I do apologize for sparking such a flame fest. But I do stand by my words and even thou the way I worded myself was provocative some of the reactions I got were premature as well. Especially about me abusing my status here.

I will make it up for you all by making some wonderful gfx for the MSL finals, which would make even the heart of flash himself warm

Don't worry disciple. You're not alone. I'm a casual neutral party here, and I think you have a point when you say Flash is somehow milking this issue. Flash fans are just emotional about it, so don't mind them.


You're not neutral and neither is Disciple. You may think yourself to be neutral but I bet you feel some cognitive dissonance when you typed that out.
Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
June 03 2011 13:50 GMT
#182
On June 03 2011 22:43 Womwomwom wrote:
The interviewer is kind of asking a loaded question, there isn't really any way for him to answer the question without annoying one segment of the community - he can be honest and be accused of making excuses or he can lie and bother his fans. He's not a politician so he's not really trained at giving long winded non-answers nor is he like Midas and able give cute brief answer that don't make sense.

Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 22:28 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
On June 03 2011 21:29 disciple wrote:
look, on a more serious note. I just re-read all my rants from yesterday. At no point of them I havent said anything offensive or insulted Flash as a person or as a player in any way. Its distasteful to make jokes about one's health issues and at no point in my posts I said he is faking, or made fun of his condition (aside from the dumbledore photoshop which had to be made).

My point is that Flash is selling intentionally or not the whole situation bad imho. Just because he a honest kid telling the truth he shared his concerns about his health, a topic which is related to everyone in the scene, not only his fans. Maybe he does put inhuman effort to be on top of his game given the situation, but adding so much drama to his condition, and constantly pointing out he feels handicapped in his practice time or ingame because of this, makes his competitors look really weak, given his ever dominant record, despite the fact he dropped from the starleagues last season. Maybe he is not doing that by intention but thats the by product of his statements. And given the fact Flash became really cocky in the recent seasons (Saying he cant possibly be beaten in MSL, or when asked what he thinks about the other 7 MSL champions in the group selection he replied with "Huh?") I just dont like the fact he is talking so much about it, making all his fans worry about his condition when he is hands down the best player in the world and his play isnt really showing any signs of a health problem.

Someone said if it was bisu, I would've reacted in the same way. Well 2 years ago Bisu constantly complained about map balance, despite being a beast in PL. Anti-fans made fun of all his complains. Ofc both issues are of a completely different nature, but just like in the case with Bisu, I had enough of flash QQing about his wrist after 3-0ing his opponents.

In any case I do wish his wrist heals as fast as possible so that his fans are not as concerned about his health and so he could focus completely on the game.

I understand the issue is quite sensitive for everyone, especially for his fans who got so easily offended by my controversial posts. Ppl overracted to my rant and it all became quite emotional and out of line. I do apologize for sparking such a flame fest. But I do stand by my words and even thou the way I worded myself was provocative some of the reactions I got were premature as well. Especially about me abusing my status here.

I will make it up for you all by making some wonderful gfx for the MSL finals, which would make even the heart of flash himself warm

Don't worry disciple. You're not alone. I'm a casual neutral party here, and I think you have a point when you say Flash is somehow milking this issue. Flash fans are just emotional about it, so don't mind them.


You're not neutral and neither is Disciple. You may think yourself to be neutral but I bet you feel some cognitive dissonance when you typed that out.

So you're my psychiatrist now? I don't think about subconscious thing or what I may mean by what I say. It's just straight talk. I say it as I mean it. I have no interest in this. I dont care whether Flash or Zero or FBH or Mind or even you wins this MSL. I just want to watch good BW games.
Thorn Raven
Profile Joined November 2010
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 13:57:23
June 03 2011 13:56 GMT
#183
Flash must win. He is "dying". No one deserves complete victory like he does.

If he wins this Final, he will have surpassed Nada as the most successful BW progamer of all time. June 11 is a momentous day for the BW scene. The first player with 7 career Gold Medals in MSL, OSL, and WCG.

He must win. It belongs to him.

His flame has burned so intensely, and to my amazement, for such an extended amount of time.

And his wrists are shot.

You see, the thing is, no such flame as intense as his can simply disappear. He will make a final flash before disappearing into oblivion.

He must win. Then he must disappear and become a legend.

Perhaps he'll play Starcraft 2.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
June 03 2011 13:58 GMT
#184
On June 03 2011 21:03 disciple wrote:
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Totally not overreacting and emotional at all imho.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
June 03 2011 14:03 GMT
#185
On June 03 2011 22:50 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 22:43 Womwomwom wrote:
The interviewer is kind of asking a loaded question, there isn't really any way for him to answer the question without annoying one segment of the community - he can be honest and be accused of making excuses or he can lie and bother his fans. He's not a politician so he's not really trained at giving long winded non-answers nor is he like Midas and able give cute brief answer that don't make sense.

On June 03 2011 22:28 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
On June 03 2011 21:29 disciple wrote:
look, on a more serious note. I just re-read all my rants from yesterday. At no point of them I havent said anything offensive or insulted Flash as a person or as a player in any way. Its distasteful to make jokes about one's health issues and at no point in my posts I said he is faking, or made fun of his condition (aside from the dumbledore photoshop which had to be made).

My point is that Flash is selling intentionally or not the whole situation bad imho. Just because he a honest kid telling the truth he shared his concerns about his health, a topic which is related to everyone in the scene, not only his fans. Maybe he does put inhuman effort to be on top of his game given the situation, but adding so much drama to his condition, and constantly pointing out he feels handicapped in his practice time or ingame because of this, makes his competitors look really weak, given his ever dominant record, despite the fact he dropped from the starleagues last season. Maybe he is not doing that by intention but thats the by product of his statements. And given the fact Flash became really cocky in the recent seasons (Saying he cant possibly be beaten in MSL, or when asked what he thinks about the other 7 MSL champions in the group selection he replied with "Huh?") I just dont like the fact he is talking so much about it, making all his fans worry about his condition when he is hands down the best player in the world and his play isnt really showing any signs of a health problem.

Someone said if it was bisu, I would've reacted in the same way. Well 2 years ago Bisu constantly complained about map balance, despite being a beast in PL. Anti-fans made fun of all his complains. Ofc both issues are of a completely different nature, but just like in the case with Bisu, I had enough of flash QQing about his wrist after 3-0ing his opponents.

In any case I do wish his wrist heals as fast as possible so that his fans are not as concerned about his health and so he could focus completely on the game.

I understand the issue is quite sensitive for everyone, especially for his fans who got so easily offended by my controversial posts. Ppl overracted to my rant and it all became quite emotional and out of line. I do apologize for sparking such a flame fest. But I do stand by my words and even thou the way I worded myself was provocative some of the reactions I got were premature as well. Especially about me abusing my status here.

I will make it up for you all by making some wonderful gfx for the MSL finals, which would make even the heart of flash himself warm

Don't worry disciple. You're not alone. I'm a casual neutral party here, and I think you have a point when you say Flash is somehow milking this issue. Flash fans are just emotional about it, so don't mind them.


You're not neutral and neither is Disciple. You may think yourself to be neutral but I bet you feel some cognitive dissonance when you typed that out.

So you're my psychiatrist now? I don't think about subconscious thing or what I may mean by what I say. It's just straight talk. I say it as I mean it. I have no interest in this. I dont care whether Flash or Zero or FBH or Mind or even you wins this MSL. I just want to watch good BW games.


So says the man who dislikes Flash's fans and has a long posting history supporting Hydra.

It doesn't really matter what you say, even if you are joking/being utterly serious your posting history betrays you. Its like suggesting, I dunno, ForSC2 being unbiased towards Bisu - he could well be neutral but his posting history suggests otherwise.
Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
June 03 2011 14:09 GMT
#186
On June 03 2011 23:03 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 22:50 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
On June 03 2011 22:43 Womwomwom wrote:
The interviewer is kind of asking a loaded question, there isn't really any way for him to answer the question without annoying one segment of the community - he can be honest and be accused of making excuses or he can lie and bother his fans. He's not a politician so he's not really trained at giving long winded non-answers nor is he like Midas and able give cute brief answer that don't make sense.

On June 03 2011 22:28 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
On June 03 2011 21:29 disciple wrote:
look, on a more serious note. I just re-read all my rants from yesterday. At no point of them I havent said anything offensive or insulted Flash as a person or as a player in any way. Its distasteful to make jokes about one's health issues and at no point in my posts I said he is faking, or made fun of his condition (aside from the dumbledore photoshop which had to be made).

My point is that Flash is selling intentionally or not the whole situation bad imho. Just because he a honest kid telling the truth he shared his concerns about his health, a topic which is related to everyone in the scene, not only his fans. Maybe he does put inhuman effort to be on top of his game given the situation, but adding so much drama to his condition, and constantly pointing out he feels handicapped in his practice time or ingame because of this, makes his competitors look really weak, given his ever dominant record, despite the fact he dropped from the starleagues last season. Maybe he is not doing that by intention but thats the by product of his statements. And given the fact Flash became really cocky in the recent seasons (Saying he cant possibly be beaten in MSL, or when asked what he thinks about the other 7 MSL champions in the group selection he replied with "Huh?") I just dont like the fact he is talking so much about it, making all his fans worry about his condition when he is hands down the best player in the world and his play isnt really showing any signs of a health problem.

Someone said if it was bisu, I would've reacted in the same way. Well 2 years ago Bisu constantly complained about map balance, despite being a beast in PL. Anti-fans made fun of all his complains. Ofc both issues are of a completely different nature, but just like in the case with Bisu, I had enough of flash QQing about his wrist after 3-0ing his opponents.

In any case I do wish his wrist heals as fast as possible so that his fans are not as concerned about his health and so he could focus completely on the game.

I understand the issue is quite sensitive for everyone, especially for his fans who got so easily offended by my controversial posts. Ppl overracted to my rant and it all became quite emotional and out of line. I do apologize for sparking such a flame fest. But I do stand by my words and even thou the way I worded myself was provocative some of the reactions I got were premature as well. Especially about me abusing my status here.

I will make it up for you all by making some wonderful gfx for the MSL finals, which would make even the heart of flash himself warm

Don't worry disciple. You're not alone. I'm a casual neutral party here, and I think you have a point when you say Flash is somehow milking this issue. Flash fans are just emotional about it, so don't mind them.


You're not neutral and neither is Disciple. You may think yourself to be neutral but I bet you feel some cognitive dissonance when you typed that out.

So you're my psychiatrist now? I don't think about subconscious thing or what I may mean by what I say. It's just straight talk. I say it as I mean it. I have no interest in this. I dont care whether Flash or Zero or FBH or Mind or even you wins this MSL. I just want to watch good BW games.


So says the man who dislikes Flash's fans and has a long posting history supporting Hydra.

It doesn't really matter what you say, even if you are joking/being utterly serious your posting history betrays you. Its like suggesting, I dunno, ForSC2 being unbiased towards Bisu - he could well be neutral but his posting history suggests otherwise.

Supporting Hydra vs Flash semifinals does not mean I hate Flash or I will die for Hydra on all his games. You saying that only exposes you're level of understanding about things. Sorry.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 03 2011 14:09 GMT
#187
I think Zero's only chance is if Flash actually will practice until his arms literally fall off ...
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alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
June 03 2011 14:14 GMT
#188
On June 03 2011 22:50 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 22:43 Womwomwom wrote:
The interviewer is kind of asking a loaded question, there isn't really any way for him to answer the question without annoying one segment of the community - he can be honest and be accused of making excuses or he can lie and bother his fans. He's not a politician so he's not really trained at giving long winded non-answers nor is he like Midas and able give cute brief answer that don't make sense.

On June 03 2011 22:28 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
On June 03 2011 21:29 disciple wrote:
look, on a more serious note. I just re-read all my rants from yesterday. At no point of them I havent said anything offensive or insulted Flash as a person or as a player in any way. Its distasteful to make jokes about one's health issues and at no point in my posts I said he is faking, or made fun of his condition (aside from the dumbledore photoshop which had to be made).

My point is that Flash is selling intentionally or not the whole situation bad imho. Just because he a honest kid telling the truth he shared his concerns about his health, a topic which is related to everyone in the scene, not only his fans. Maybe he does put inhuman effort to be on top of his game given the situation, but adding so much drama to his condition, and constantly pointing out he feels handicapped in his practice time or ingame because of this, makes his competitors look really weak, given his ever dominant record, despite the fact he dropped from the starleagues last season. Maybe he is not doing that by intention but thats the by product of his statements. And given the fact Flash became really cocky in the recent seasons (Saying he cant possibly be beaten in MSL, or when asked what he thinks about the other 7 MSL champions in the group selection he replied with "Huh?") I just dont like the fact he is talking so much about it, making all his fans worry about his condition when he is hands down the best player in the world and his play isnt really showing any signs of a health problem.

Someone said if it was bisu, I would've reacted in the same way. Well 2 years ago Bisu constantly complained about map balance, despite being a beast in PL. Anti-fans made fun of all his complains. Ofc both issues are of a completely different nature, but just like in the case with Bisu, I had enough of flash QQing about his wrist after 3-0ing his opponents.

In any case I do wish his wrist heals as fast as possible so that his fans are not as concerned about his health and so he could focus completely on the game.

I understand the issue is quite sensitive for everyone, especially for his fans who got so easily offended by my controversial posts. Ppl overracted to my rant and it all became quite emotional and out of line. I do apologize for sparking such a flame fest. But I do stand by my words and even thou the way I worded myself was provocative some of the reactions I got were premature as well. Especially about me abusing my status here.

I will make it up for you all by making some wonderful gfx for the MSL finals, which would make even the heart of flash himself warm

Don't worry disciple. You're not alone. I'm a casual neutral party here, and I think you have a point when you say Flash is somehow milking this issue. Flash fans are just emotional about it, so don't mind them.


You're not neutral and neither is Disciple. You may think yourself to be neutral but I bet you feel some cognitive dissonance when you typed that out.

So you're my psychiatrist now? I don't think about subconscious thing or what I may mean by what I say. It's just straight talk. I say it as I mean it. I have no interest in this. I dont care whether Flash or Zero or FBH or Mind or even you wins this MSL. I just want to watch good BW games.


One doesn't have to be a 'psychiatrist' to understand your 'neutral' stance. Obviously from your posts so far, 'neutral' and 'objective' are not very correct words to describe you because posts concerning Flash as well as Flash fans by you reek of bias and blatant hatred towards Flash or his fans. Just by saying you don't care who wins does not prove that you are a neutral, care-free observer.
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
June 03 2011 14:14 GMT
#189
On June 03 2011 23:09 prplhz wrote:
I think Zero's only chance is if Flash actually will practice until his arms literally fall off ...


and what makes you think that?
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
June 03 2011 14:15 GMT
#190
On June 03 2011 23:09 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 23:03 Womwomwom wrote:
On June 03 2011 22:50 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
On June 03 2011 22:43 Womwomwom wrote:
The interviewer is kind of asking a loaded question, there isn't really any way for him to answer the question without annoying one segment of the community - he can be honest and be accused of making excuses or he can lie and bother his fans. He's not a politician so he's not really trained at giving long winded non-answers nor is he like Midas and able give cute brief answer that don't make sense.

On June 03 2011 22:28 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
On June 03 2011 21:29 disciple wrote:
look, on a more serious note. I just re-read all my rants from yesterday. At no point of them I havent said anything offensive or insulted Flash as a person or as a player in any way. Its distasteful to make jokes about one's health issues and at no point in my posts I said he is faking, or made fun of his condition (aside from the dumbledore photoshop which had to be made).

My point is that Flash is selling intentionally or not the whole situation bad imho. Just because he a honest kid telling the truth he shared his concerns about his health, a topic which is related to everyone in the scene, not only his fans. Maybe he does put inhuman effort to be on top of his game given the situation, but adding so much drama to his condition, and constantly pointing out he feels handicapped in his practice time or ingame because of this, makes his competitors look really weak, given his ever dominant record, despite the fact he dropped from the starleagues last season. Maybe he is not doing that by intention but thats the by product of his statements. And given the fact Flash became really cocky in the recent seasons (Saying he cant possibly be beaten in MSL, or when asked what he thinks about the other 7 MSL champions in the group selection he replied with "Huh?") I just dont like the fact he is talking so much about it, making all his fans worry about his condition when he is hands down the best player in the world and his play isnt really showing any signs of a health problem.

Someone said if it was bisu, I would've reacted in the same way. Well 2 years ago Bisu constantly complained about map balance, despite being a beast in PL. Anti-fans made fun of all his complains. Ofc both issues are of a completely different nature, but just like in the case with Bisu, I had enough of flash QQing about his wrist after 3-0ing his opponents.

In any case I do wish his wrist heals as fast as possible so that his fans are not as concerned about his health and so he could focus completely on the game.

I understand the issue is quite sensitive for everyone, especially for his fans who got so easily offended by my controversial posts. Ppl overracted to my rant and it all became quite emotional and out of line. I do apologize for sparking such a flame fest. But I do stand by my words and even thou the way I worded myself was provocative some of the reactions I got were premature as well. Especially about me abusing my status here.

I will make it up for you all by making some wonderful gfx for the MSL finals, which would make even the heart of flash himself warm

Don't worry disciple. You're not alone. I'm a casual neutral party here, and I think you have a point when you say Flash is somehow milking this issue. Flash fans are just emotional about it, so don't mind them.


You're not neutral and neither is Disciple. You may think yourself to be neutral but I bet you feel some cognitive dissonance when you typed that out.

So you're my psychiatrist now? I don't think about subconscious thing or what I may mean by what I say. It's just straight talk. I say it as I mean it. I have no interest in this. I dont care whether Flash or Zero or FBH or Mind or even you wins this MSL. I just want to watch good BW games.


So says the man who dislikes Flash's fans and has a long posting history supporting Hydra.

It doesn't really matter what you say, even if you are joking/being utterly serious your posting history betrays you. Its like suggesting, I dunno, ForSC2 being unbiased towards Bisu - he could well be neutral but his posting history suggests otherwise.

Supporting Hydra vs Flash semifinals does not mean I hate Flash or I will die for Hydra on all his games. You saying that only exposes you're level of understanding about things. Sorry.


Never suggested you disliked Flash, only suggested you dislike his fans. Don't see where I'm wrong when you post this sort of stuff:

On May 22 2011 21:23 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
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On May 22 2011 21:07 Legatus Lanius wrote:
On May 22 2011 20:35 Demand2k wrote:
Sucks that the Flash semis will be boring since Hydra's zvt is so lacking against good players.


you dont consider mind a good player?

KT fan obviously. Thats why my new rule now is look at team icon. if KT or flash signature I dont bother anymore. No need for fanboy wars. At least Bisu/JD/Stork fans are fun and you can banter playfully with them.

Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 14:19:08
June 03 2011 14:17 GMT
#191
On June 03 2011 23:15 Womwomwom wrote:
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On June 03 2011 23:09 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
On June 03 2011 23:03 Womwomwom wrote:
On June 03 2011 22:50 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
On June 03 2011 22:43 Womwomwom wrote:
The interviewer is kind of asking a loaded question, there isn't really any way for him to answer the question without annoying one segment of the community - he can be honest and be accused of making excuses or he can lie and bother his fans. He's not a politician so he's not really trained at giving long winded non-answers nor is he like Midas and able give cute brief answer that don't make sense.

On June 03 2011 22:28 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
On June 03 2011 21:29 disciple wrote:
look, on a more serious note. I just re-read all my rants from yesterday. At no point of them I havent said anything offensive or insulted Flash as a person or as a player in any way. Its distasteful to make jokes about one's health issues and at no point in my posts I said he is faking, or made fun of his condition (aside from the dumbledore photoshop which had to be made).

My point is that Flash is selling intentionally or not the whole situation bad imho. Just because he a honest kid telling the truth he shared his concerns about his health, a topic which is related to everyone in the scene, not only his fans. Maybe he does put inhuman effort to be on top of his game given the situation, but adding so much drama to his condition, and constantly pointing out he feels handicapped in his practice time or ingame because of this, makes his competitors look really weak, given his ever dominant record, despite the fact he dropped from the starleagues last season. Maybe he is not doing that by intention but thats the by product of his statements. And given the fact Flash became really cocky in the recent seasons (Saying he cant possibly be beaten in MSL, or when asked what he thinks about the other 7 MSL champions in the group selection he replied with "Huh?") I just dont like the fact he is talking so much about it, making all his fans worry about his condition when he is hands down the best player in the world and his play isnt really showing any signs of a health problem.

Someone said if it was bisu, I would've reacted in the same way. Well 2 years ago Bisu constantly complained about map balance, despite being a beast in PL. Anti-fans made fun of all his complains. Ofc both issues are of a completely different nature, but just like in the case with Bisu, I had enough of flash QQing about his wrist after 3-0ing his opponents.

In any case I do wish his wrist heals as fast as possible so that his fans are not as concerned about his health and so he could focus completely on the game.

I understand the issue is quite sensitive for everyone, especially for his fans who got so easily offended by my controversial posts. Ppl overracted to my rant and it all became quite emotional and out of line. I do apologize for sparking such a flame fest. But I do stand by my words and even thou the way I worded myself was provocative some of the reactions I got were premature as well. Especially about me abusing my status here.

I will make it up for you all by making some wonderful gfx for the MSL finals, which would make even the heart of flash himself warm

Don't worry disciple. You're not alone. I'm a casual neutral party here, and I think you have a point when you say Flash is somehow milking this issue. Flash fans are just emotional about it, so don't mind them.


You're not neutral and neither is Disciple. You may think yourself to be neutral but I bet you feel some cognitive dissonance when you typed that out.

So you're my psychiatrist now? I don't think about subconscious thing or what I may mean by what I say. It's just straight talk. I say it as I mean it. I have no interest in this. I dont care whether Flash or Zero or FBH or Mind or even you wins this MSL. I just want to watch good BW games.


So says the man who dislikes Flash's fans and has a long posting history supporting Hydra.

It doesn't really matter what you say, even if you are joking/being utterly serious your posting history betrays you. Its like suggesting, I dunno, ForSC2 being unbiased towards Bisu - he could well be neutral but his posting history suggests otherwise.

Supporting Hydra vs Flash semifinals does not mean I hate Flash or I will die for Hydra on all his games. You saying that only exposes you're level of understanding about things. Sorry.


Never suggested you disliked Flash, only suggested you dislike his fans. Don't see where I'm wrong when you post this sort of stuff:

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On May 22 2011 21:23 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
On May 22 2011 21:07 Legatus Lanius wrote:
On May 22 2011 20:35 Demand2k wrote:
Sucks that the Flash semis will be boring since Hydra's zvt is so lacking against good players.


you dont consider mind a good player?

KT fan obviously. Thats why my new rule now is look at team icon. if KT or flash signature I dont bother anymore. No need for fanboy wars. At least Bisu/JD/Stork fans are fun and you can banter playfully with them.


Precisely. This thread is only strong proof of this.
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
June 03 2011 14:18 GMT
#192
I'm a casual neutral party here

Best joke in this thread
Go on.
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
June 03 2011 14:23 GMT
#193
Flash just needs to hurry up and switch to Toss, so he can spend 100 apm less to make carriers and click randomly and win.

And then we can finally have a Toss bonjwa.
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Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
June 03 2011 14:32 GMT
#194
On June 03 2011 23:23 gostunv wrote:
Flash just needs to hurry up and switch to Toss, so he can spend 100 apm less to make carriers and click randomly and win.

And then we can finally have a Toss bonjwa.


if only it were that easy..
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
June 03 2011 14:36 GMT
#195
If Flash's comments about the condition of his wrists are evoking sympathy, so be it. It's a normal response to feel concerned about a player if they are having health issues, regardless of how they affect his game. The alternative of not answering a question about the condition of your wrists/hands with a simple comment about the deteriorating condition of your wrists/hands is pretty ridiculous.

And if his comments somehow make his opponents look bad (i.e. lololol he lost to a guy with a wrist injury that may or may not have affected his performance in game but evidently affected his practice time) then either it's no one's fault but the people who perceive his opponents as being sucky, or it's simply true that Flash is so good that he can pwn other players even with carpal tunnel.
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 14:44:10
June 03 2011 14:44 GMT
#196
Stop the Flash-hating and the "fanboy here, fanbody there" accusations. Fanboyism and anti Fanboyism are going way too far lately, also in the LR threads. Locking for the moment.
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