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Netherlands45349 Posts
I already posted this in the interview of MBC/KT but I feel like not many people will be looking there, which is obvious as you read the interview, comment and go your own way, however I feel like this needs some attention:
I Found this on DC
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PXKTo.jpg)
I don't know how legit the image is, I found it on DC but the photography seems genuine, if any korean can shed some light on the picture that would be wholly appericiated.
Either way, if this is indeed real(which it very well can be) then this looks kind of worrying.
Edit:
On May 25 2011 21:44 J1.au wrote:This is an old picture. The injury seems to have healed by now as I can't spot it any recent pictures of his. Check for yourself: + Show Spoiler +I'm more worried about his wrist that hurts and requires painkiller shots.
The picture is appearently old, so no need to worry, it should have healed by now.
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Haven't Flash's hand/s been the issue for couple of months now? Thought he said its fixed etc.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
wtf, how is it possible to injur that part of the hand? when i use my mouse that joint doesnt touch surface at all :\ lol still looks painful thoguh =.=
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Looks like he got cut while fighting off legions of noobs.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50577 Posts
oh god thats terrible,I hope he can give his best despite it.
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Don't think the cut comes from playing Starcraft...unless they have placed deadly traps all around him to make him practice.
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that doesnt look good at all
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On May 25 2011 19:07 alffla wrote:
wtf, how is it possible to injur that part of the hand? when i use my mouse that joint doesnt touch surface at all :\ lol still looks painful thoguh =.=
im wondering the same thing... how does he hold his mouse?
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On May 25 2011 19:09 lungo wrote:
that doesnt look good at all
doesnt look really bad either lol. ive cut myself worse than that and havent even noticed
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On May 25 2011 19:07 alffla wrote:
wtf, how is it possible to injur that part of the hand? when i use my mouse that joint doesnt touch surface at all :\ lol still looks painful thoguh =.=
Well, i see it this way. Either it is:
1. not related to mouse usage. Maybe fell down or something and happened this way?
2. sinew/tendon(right word?) or something fixed and it's just a surgical operation cut or something.
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On May 25 2011 19:09 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 19:07 alffla wrote:
wtf, how is it possible to injur that part of the hand? when i use my mouse that joint doesnt touch surface at all :\ lol still looks painful thoguh =.= im wondering the same thing... how does he hold his mouse?
IIRC he takes painkillers to be able to continue playing.
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Wow who knew BW could do that to someones wrist/hand, but he's a total badass on the mouse so it make sense, man I hope if he takes a break from this he doesn't lose any "skip in the beat" of his play. But in any case he'll heal and he's so sick good he could get back rather quickly, poor Flash TT.
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On May 25 2011 19:07 alffla wrote:
wtf, how is it possible to injur that part of the hand? when i use my mouse that joint doesnt touch surface at all :\ lol still looks painful thoguh =.=
karate chops from when he hunts villains at night?
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i dont see how thats from his playing. with all that crusty shit around the cut, it kinda looks like when your skin gets dry and it 'splits' (like when the corner of your mouth splits.)
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Yeah, doesn't seem like it was from playing.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Looks like he just singed his hand while hurling lightening bolts.
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This can't possibly be a gaming related injury...he must be fighting ninjas to save the world in his spare time or something...
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Is the image about his cut or his wrist?
I hope he's okay.
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I think thats the reason behind the ruler .. to have a decent movement space so that the wound doesnt get hit by anything ..
That's painful .. O.o
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That is definitely not a gaming related injury. Looks like a slice wound from a knife or razor
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You see, he's just a man - The Merovingian
+ Show Spoiler +Please get better soon Flash. It would be a damn shame if the greatest brood war player ever had his career cut short due to injury.
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Damn, that must be annoying as hell. What's up with Jaedong and Flash being in such poor form? It would be awful is crappy players took over just because they happen to be more healthy (even if they need some dental healthcare).
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That look so painful. Flash, hope you get well soon.
and thanks Kipsate for the news.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On May 25 2011 19:37 legaton wrote:
Damn, that must be annoying as hell. What's up with Jaedong and Flash being in such poor form? It would be awful is crappy players took over just because they happen to be more healthy (even if they need some dental healthcare).
Lol I see what you did there.
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He backhanded the piss out of Hydra and then went back in time. Problem solved.
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Japan11286 Posts
On May 25 2011 19:36 red4ce wrote:
You see, he's just a man - The Merovingian
That's only on flesh, terminators are metal beneath it all.
Maybe Flash got cut by a sharp object or tripped onto a bad spot (table corners..) because the wound looks like one these was the cause.
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Katowice25012 Posts
There was a pic from about a year ago when he had a wound in that same spot, I wonder if he slams his hand down there when he loses or something. It looks like there is a huge callous right around it so maybe it sweeps against the desk a lot during a normal day in between games?
yeah here is the last pic
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I'm seriously worried that Flash might end up like Ronaldo (the real one); greatest player ever but with a career kinda cut short due to injuries. 
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On May 25 2011 19:53 Holgerius wrote:I'm seriously worried that Flash might end up like Ronaldo (the real one); greatest player ever but with a career kinda cut short due to injuries.
yeah man, im really scared that little cut on his hand is going to end his career 
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On May 25 2011 19:54 Legatus Lanius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 19:53 Holgerius wrote:I'm seriously worried that Flash might end up like Ronaldo (the real one); greatest player ever but with a career kinda cut short due to injuries. yeah man, im really scared that little cut on his hand is going to end his career
Except it isn't just about this cut; he's been having problems with his wrist for quite a while now.
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 Bisu sent a dark templar at him but Flash fought it off 
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maybe its kinda like dbz, where goku (flash) gets the better of vegeta (jaedong) with his kaio-ken, but it hurts his body too much to bear and he ends up giving out first
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Dam Flash, please get better soon!
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But everything is still about his wrist, right? Even if his pinky finger completely comes off(), could he still play as long as his wrist is fine?
Easy come, easy go, even if you're a young prodigy. Something somehow stops you.
Flash Fighting!!! Get well soon.
I hope that he'll rest after the SPL and skip this OSL season. His wrist is worth a dozen of titles so sacrificing his chance for this OSL is worth it if it could help him heal his cut and rest his wrist.
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Just looks like dry hands. Friend used to have them and they would split if he made a fist for a little while.
Must be unpleasant though.
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Is that just it? or does he have injuries on his other hand?
Wow using painkillers...
Hurts me just to see it.
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im sure the painkillers are for his wrist lmao, not the cut on his hand
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that actually looks infested...
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
On May 25 2011 19:36 red4ce wrote:You see, he's just a man - The Merovingian + Show Spoiler +Please get better soon Flash. It would be a damn shame if the greatest brood war player ever had his career cut short due to injury.
reminds me of ggplay :'(
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KT Coach "He walked into a door, I swear"
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Just looks like a scratch unrelated to gaming?
Edit: I know he has problems with his wrist, but that small cut on his finger hardly seems like a problem.
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
On May 25 2011 20:56 EquilasH wrote:
Just looks like a scratch unrelated to gaming?
Edit: I know he has problems with his wrist, but that small cut on his finger hardly seems like a problem.
wtf guys, read the topic. This injury is appearing not the first time (there was a topic about it like a year ago), so probably it is related to gaming. My guess is some nervous arm movements during the breaks between games... because when you actually play, this part of the hand touches nothing...
this news is kind of sad. T_T
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i think gaming didn't cause it (i could be wrong tho) but it made the injury worse as Flash had to constantly stretching his fingers at 400 apm ...
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I dont see how u can take this injury while playing on decent condition wich is the minimum for pro player
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Shouldn't try and follow Reach when he goes to save the world at night :/
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That photograph doesn't seem too be very recent to me... Flash's hair is different and the KT uniform is different to what they are currently wearing... I may be wrong though, please enlighten me if I am.
Otherwise it does seem that Flash is having trouble with his wrists again, (referring to what he said in the MBCvsKT interview), I'm just not sure these photographs are related to his CURRENT condition.
Again... don't shoot me down, but please let me know if you know otherwise.
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Is this news? It can be anything possibly excema or some other form of dry skin condition.
Well let us know when you spot more interesting things like warts or hemorrhoids,
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On May 25 2011 19:09 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 19:07 alffla wrote:
wtf, how is it possible to injur that part of the hand? when i use my mouse that joint doesnt touch surface at all :\ lol still looks painful thoguh =.= im wondering the same thing... how does he hold his mouse?
I "heard" you can get injuries at that part of the hand when you rage after losing.
Edit: ...
+ Show Spoiler +
.. which obviously cant be the case here.
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This is an old picture. The injury seems to have healed by now as I can't spot it any recent pictures of his.
Check for yourself: + Show Spoiler +
I'm more worried about his wrist that hurts and requires painkiller shots.
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
On May 25 2011 21:35 4vvhiplash7 wrote:That photograph doesn't seem too be very recent to me... Flash's hair is different and the KT uniform is different to what they are currently wearing... I may be wrong though, please enlighten me if I am. Otherwise it does seem that Flash is having trouble with his wrists again, (referring to what he said in the MBCvsKT interview), I'm just not sure these photographs are related to his CURRENT condition. Again... don't shoot me down, but please let me know if you know otherwise.
ahhh shit, I'm stupid. T_T Yeah, "olleh KT" uniform, so that it's minimum 9-12 months old.
Then this pic might be not related to the wrist problem... and the injury might be not related to gaming (directly ).
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Oww T.T! Get well soon Flash!
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On May 25 2011 19:26 green.at wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 19:07 alffla wrote:
wtf, how is it possible to injur that part of the hand? when i use my mouse that joint doesnt touch surface at all :\ lol still looks painful thoguh =.= karate chops from when he hunts villains at night?
Thought of karate chops as soon as i saw the image... Flash has obviously been chopping at banana trees
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On May 25 2011 21:44 J1.au wrote:This is an old picture. The injury seems to have healed by now as I can't spot it any recent pictures of his. Check for yourself: + Show Spoiler +I'm more worried about his wrist that hurts and requires painkiller shots.
good find. thanks
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looks like cracked skin from dryness. I get that on my left pinky. knuckles will get all dry until they crack and it hurts :[
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United States5582 Posts
Further evidence that the pic the OP found is an old one from a year ago:
+ Show Spoiler +
The pics above in the spoiler are from an event Flash, Reach, and Yellow recently took part of yesterday.
Edit: Ooh snap, looks like my translator bubble icon thing is gone, along with white_horse's as well! Weiiiird. O___O
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On May 25 2011 21:54 Day[9] wrote:
looks like cracked skin from dryness. I get that on my left pinky. knuckles will get all dry until they crack and it hurts :[
Why dont you put creme on it before that happens
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Good to see that the pic isn't recent, but it still doesn't stop me from worrying about his wrist that he keeps complaining about. =/
Can't remember the last time I saw Day9 posting in a BW thread. ^__^
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its not a big deal. that spot is where he is taking his painkiller injections.
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It looks like dry skin to me. I have had that on the back side of my hand for 2+ years now. It even started bleeding once and it looked just like that picture. I hope it is not anything to worry about - i remember a wrist injury ended Oovs career. But I don't see the link between this scratch on his hand and his wrist problems.
lol its even an old picture. Nothing to worry about
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yes, it seems like flash is going to be okay, at least in the short-term!
lets just hope he doesnt stub his toe and has to cash in his chips, eh?
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On May 25 2011 22:05 Spica wrote:Further evidence that the pic the OP found is an old one from a year ago: + Show Spoiler +The pics above in the spoiler are from an event Flash, Reach, and Yellow recently took part of yesterday. Edit: Ooh snap, looks like my translator bubble icon thing is gone, along with white_horse's as well! Weiiiird. O___O
Which event was this? I'm interested...
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ICUqR.jpg)
vista paint skills ftw
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On May 25 2011 19:59 writer22816 wrote:Bisu sent a dark templar at him but Flash fought it off
Here is a full story:
it was a little dark templar, just exactly the same size like in a game! So he silently approached him, while he was playing and cut him a little, then Flash used his ready-build scan and just smashed him above with his huge fist of God.
Jaedong tips me another version:
There was a hydralisk that burrowed out from the desk and spit right into his finger.><
It doesn't seeem like an injury from a game at all, so guess its just an accident.
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He needs to take a break, once you get wrist problems they don't magically disappear by some shots or acupuncture, while the first relieves inflammation and the latter releases tension and gets the blood flowing, rest is still the essential part in healing overworked muscles.
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In terms of his arm/wrists though, apparently it's troubling him again and he's been saying shit in interviews that's been pretty worrisome to the fans.
Apparently he's practicing so hard that his wrists are hurting etc.
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Ok first off I've had a crack like that on my thumb for 5 or 6 years. Secondly, it isn't that big of a deal... All he has to do is put some lotion on it and bandage it up.
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On May 25 2011 22:59 GG_NO_RE wrote:vista paint skills ftw
haha loved it
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I don't think the picture is recent from what we've seen of him in live events/pictures, but the condition of his wrist is truly troubling. It'd be the saddest day if one of the best progamers of all time would have to retire close to the peak of his career because of an injury :X
On May 25 2011 21:54 Day[9] wrote:
looks like cracked skin from dryness. I get that on my left pinky. knuckles will get all dry until they crack and it hurts :[
A wild Day[9] was sighted in the BW forums!
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Alright, my bad for worrying you guys, I just found it, ill add to the OP that the picture is from a year ago.
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On May 25 2011 22:59 GG_NO_RE wrote:vista paint skills ftw
lmao that was pretty hilarious actually.
Hopefully this won't tremendously affect the inevitable JvF MSL finals coming up. D:
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Hist wrist still hurts.
From MBCGame vs KT winner's interview:
Q: Final words.
A: My condition while preparing for the MSL isn't very good; I didn't have enough rest for weeks due to constant practice, causing my hands to feel weak. I practice a lot in order to play well, but during the actual match I played without energy and after the match my wrist really hurt. I feel that I should put in effort in whatever I am capable of doing this season. Even if my wrists are devoid of strength, I'll put in all my energies to perform well, please look forward to it.
From the MSL Ro8 Day 3 Winner's interview:
- We’re close to the end of the league now. Are you having any physical issues?
▲ This season, in terms of physical condition I’m satisfied. Recently I increased my practice schedule by a LOT but seeing as how there haven’t been any noticeable side effects I guess I did a good job in keeping in good shape. My wrist does still hurt when I play but I’m regularly going to the acupuncturist and getting painkiller shots. Once the seasons over I’ll get proper treatment for it.
Get Better soon FlaSh!
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He's prolly switching to zerg
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Get's some Aloe vera........ y0.
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Maybe it's an entry point for surgery.
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On May 25 2011 23:28 Armathai wrote:I don't think the picture is recent from what we've seen of him in live events/pictures, but the condition of his wrist is truly troubling. It'd be the saddest day if one of the best progamers of all time would have to retire close to the peak of his career because of an injury :X Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 21:54 Day[9] wrote:
looks like cracked skin from dryness. I get that on my left pinky. knuckles will get all dry until they crack and it hurts :[ A wild Day[9] was sighted in the BW forums!
Thats because even as Sc2'ers we recognize the absolute ballerosity of BW. ON Topic. I have Eczema and my hands can get pretty crazy just from dry/cold weather. My skin will start to peel (On my finger tips -_-'), I get little bumps, cracks (that can bleed and get infected), all that great stuff D8. Lotion or some prescribed ointments usually do the trick. That looks like it could be a regular injury (just starting to scab) or even a skin condition like I have stated.
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Day9 was just as big in and did just as much for the BW scene as he is and does now in SC2. Don't divide camps like that. He's passionate about Starcraft, not just SC2.
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On May 26 2011 01:32 PH wrote:
Day9 was just as big in and did just as much for the BW scene as he is and does now in SC2. Don't divide camps like that. He's passionate about Starcraft, not just SC2.
Edit: Guuuhhhh its not worth it. I'm not here to stir up shit between BW and Sc2 people (even though you seem to separate them into 2 camps, not me). I honestly don't differentiate between the two. I made a harmless comment then you made one that was unnecessary in a thread about FLASHES HANDS, not Sean or the difference between BW and Sc2. Sorry for being consistently brash.
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Wow he IS human after all...
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 25 2011 22:59 GG_NO_RE wrote:vista paint skills ftw
Well done this made my morning lol I can imagine him having to be told sometimes to probably take a break from his coach lol, so much dedication I'm sure he can get carried away every once in a while! :D (edit:spoiler for smaller size)
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Zoom! Enhance! We can clearly see in this picture that Flash is actually a robot.
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He must of been physically abused himself for losing to a Z (jaedong) in the final. :p
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Poor Flash. MSL semis coming and PL finals practically around the corner --- it's really not a good time for his wrist to be giving him pain. And the more he plays through the pain, the greater the chance of permanently damaging his hand
I wonder if MSL will save his semifinal berth if he drops out for health reasons just like OSL saved Backho's Ro16 berth that one time (and had a wildcard tournament). IMO they should permit him to drop out and come back next time in the Ro4, and hold a wild card tournament for his current Ro4 spot including everyone who was knocked out of the Ro8 and everyone who was knocked out by Flash (Bisu, Really, Leta, Grape, Calm, Mind).
Wildcard:
A. Bisu <Bo3> Really, with Really given 1 game for free; Really has a leg up because he was in Ro16 when Flash took him out and Bisu was only in R32.
B. (Bisu/Really winner), Grape, Calm, Mind, Leta all play 1 game against each other.
C. The two players with the best records play a Bo3, after any necessary tiebreaker games.
D. Wildcard winner goes on to face Hydra in the semis.
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The injury on Flash's hand looks like severe eczema. I know b/c I've had severe eczema and your skin will actually blister, crack and even bleed when this happens. It's really annoying and can be extremely difficult to get rid of.
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Modern child labour in S.Korea.
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On May 26 2011 05:22 Djabanete wrote:Poor Flash. MSL semis coming and PL finals practically around the corner --- it's really not a good time for his wrist to be giving him pain. And the more he plays through the pain, the greater the chance of permanently damaging his hand I wonder if MSL will save his semifinal berth if he drops out for health reasons just like OSL saved Backho's Ro16 berth that one time (and had a wildcard tournament). IMO they should permit him to drop out and come back next time in the Ro4, and hold a wild card tournament for his current Ro4 spot including everyone who was knocked out of the Ro8 and everyone who was knocked out by Flash (Bisu, Really, Leta, Grape, Calm, Mind). Wildcard: A. Bisu <Bo3> Really, with Really given 1 game for free; Really has a leg up because he was in Ro16 when Flash took him out and Bisu was only in R32. B. (Bisu/Really winner), Grape, Calm, Mind, Leta all play 1 game against each other. C. The two players with the best records play a Bo3, after any necessary tiebreaker games. D. Wildcard winner goes on to face Hydra in the semis.
In sports there's an equal chance of physical or emotional injury that will prevent a player from being in top form. It's just part of the game. If you are reckless with your health, or unlucky, you will suffer the consequences no matter how much people want to see you do well. It's sad for Flash, but the system can't bend to help him out.
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On May 26 2011 06:02 hasuterrans wrote:
The injury on Flash's hand actually looks like severe eczema. I know b/c I've had severe eczema and your skin will actually blister, crack and even bleed when this happens. It's really annoying and can be extremely difficult to get rid of.
I was just thinking eczema.
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cmon flash is not playin like 24/7 so that can be from anything...maybe a love bite or something?
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i Imagine its from his mousepad, he needs a new mouse or something to elevate his hand so he doesn't chafe against his mousepad
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On May 26 2011 06:49 dimitur4o wrote:
cmon flash is not playin like 24/7 so that can be from anything...maybe a love bite or something?
sure lol
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When Flash moves his mouse, he puts a large amount of tension into his pink as he devotes the majority of his power to stroll and click. The pink is his only balance and stop-motion. I think the stress he incurs from holding and gripping the right axles of the mouse put acres of stress on the tendons connecting his fourth lumbrical muscle. It may have caused that part to jut out and cause an internal disconnect - of course, it would be inevitable sooner or later than surface damage would show.
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On May 26 2011 06:08 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 05:22 Djabanete wrote:Poor Flash. MSL semis coming and PL finals practically around the corner --- it's really not a good time for his wrist to be giving him pain. And the more he plays through the pain, the greater the chance of permanently damaging his hand I wonder if MSL will save his semifinal berth if he drops out for health reasons just like OSL saved Backho's Ro16 berth that one time (and had a wildcard tournament). IMO they should permit him to drop out and come back next time in the Ro4, and hold a wild card tournament for his current Ro4 spot including everyone who was knocked out of the Ro8 and everyone who was knocked out by Flash (Bisu, Really, Leta, Grape, Calm, Mind). Wildcard: A. Bisu <Bo3> Really, with Really given 1 game for free; Really has a leg up because he was in Ro16 when Flash took him out and Bisu was only in R32. B. (Bisu/Really winner), Grape, Calm, Mind, Leta all play 1 game against each other. C. The two players with the best records play a Bo3, after any necessary tiebreaker games. D. Wildcard winner goes on to face Hydra in the semis. In sports there's an equal chance of physical or emotional injury that will prevent a player from being in top form. It's just part of the game. If you are reckless with your health, or unlucky, you will suffer the consequences no matter how much people want to see you do well. It's sad for Flash, but the system can't bend to help him out.
Hm. So you're saying the precedent isn't a precedent because Flash's injury was incurred by practicing and Backho's was unrelated?
The system can bend to help him out --- it's been done before when Backho was "unlucky" --- but if you think it would be unfair in this case I'd be curious to hear why.
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On May 26 2011 06:49 dimitur4o wrote:
cmon flash is not playin like 24/7 so that can be from anything...maybe a love bite or something?
We're talking about flash bro, it more likely that he is training like a mad men than taking love bites :p
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![[image loading]](http://www.mokko.org.uk/assets/images/knucles.jpg)
reminds me of this.
he should wear a partial glove or something. training is all good but just like how boxers wear gloves not to damage their hands, progamers should use whatever's available to protect their hands.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
shit thats nasty, that can't be movies hand can it!? >_>
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What the fuck, did he put his hand on a stovetop or something!?
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I understand that they are committed to gaming, but some of them need to relax a little bit or they are going to hurt themselves too much and not be able to play
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On May 26 2011 21:18 astroorion wrote:
I understand that they are committed to gaming, but some of them need to relax a little bit or they are going to hurt themselves too much and not be able to play
If they relax they will fall behind and lose. To be able to be up there with the rest of the pros u need to practice like hell.
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Yeah but that looks like a burn mark from a stove or from cupping a steaming pot or something...
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moktira
Ireland1545 Posts
On May 26 2011 21:14 alffla wrote:
shit thats nasty, that can't be movies hand can it!? >_>
I'm fairly sure Movie's right handed and that's a left hand, maybe I'm missing something here but don't see how you'd get that from a keyboard
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yeah it looks like some kind of scalding
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On May 26 2011 21:27 ZeGzoR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 21:18 astroorion wrote:
I understand that they are committed to gaming, but some of them need to relax a little bit or they are going to hurt themselves too much and not be able to play If they relax they will fall behind and lose. To be able to be up there with the rest of the pros u need to practice like hell.
Posture and relaxation are important. A lot of this stuff is tangential to how well you play, but crucial to how long you can play.
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Jaedong dressed in a zergling costume and attacked him IMO
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I had something like that all over my knuckles and the top of my hand. I worked as a dishy for a restaurant for a few months over uni break using industrial strength dish washing stuff, without gloves. They were so dry they'd randomly bleed, had to plaster them in cream for weeks.
I'm assuming Flash doesn't wash dishes though lol...
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On June 03 2011 17:42 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Bisu's DT.
What are you talking about? Bisu himself is the DT 
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Looks to me he used his ruler too much to measure things. He always measure things before his games and the position he hold his ruler matches where the injury is.
On second thought, Flash must had use his ruler a lot for that injury to occur.
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Looks pretty brutal, glad to hear that its an old injury that he has recovered from.
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He was trying to grab a unit in the top left corner of his screen the first time he played on widescreen and his hand couln't take the stress.
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does anyone else think that flash's injury is just a cover-up for a bio-mech transition for his wrist?
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On June 11 2011 18:51 xianglongfa wrote:
does anyone else think that flash's injury is just a cover-up for a bio-mech transition for his wrist?
LOL
i see what you did there
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