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+ Show Spoiler +The details are really fuzzy right now, but if I'm correct, a guy who goes by the username "잡담" on "스갤"(an anonymous Korean BW forum, which is part of the site DC) may be sued. The KT Coach LJH was notified by KT fans tweeting him about a guy who consistently posted malicious comments about Flash. A twitter conversation ensued between 잡담 and LJH. Either I haven't discovered the function yet or twitter is retarded, so I can't see the conversation as it folded but just see the two sides tweeting. http://twitter.com/#!/roqytm <-잡담 http://twitter.com/#!/KTRolster <- LJH (April 24th) LJH + Show Spoiler +@roqytm 멘션온건 진작에 봤는데.. 지금까지 써오셨던 글보니.. 입에 담기도 힘든말부터해서... 정말 너무하시는군요. 이영호 선수를 비롯한 프로게이머들이 현수씨한테 얼마나 큰죄를 지었길래.. 이러시는지 이해를 할 수가 없네요
@roqytm 근래 악플이 심하다고 느꼈지만 이정도일줄은 몰랐습니다. 물론 스갤이나 포모스 재미로 악플달고 하는부분 어느정도 인정합니다만 이건 아주 이영호 선수만 집중적으로 공격하셨네요?
@roqytm 이는 명백한 KT스포츠단의 이미지 훼손과 더불어 KT Rolster 이영호 선수의 명예훼손의 행위입니다. 제 트윗아이디 보시면 알겠지만 비공식 팀내 트위터로 사용되고 있구요 저희 스포츠단에서도 모니터링 하고 있습니다
@roqytm 부모님 얘기 하시길래 마음이 좀 약해질뻔 했습니다만. 제가 이영호 선수 어머님과도 잘 아는데.이영호 선수 어머님도 여러 커뮤니티 즐겨 보십니다. 보시면서 당신글 안보셨을까요? 당신 부모님 심정은 걱정되고 남 부모님 심정은 걱정안되나요?
@roqytm 어느정도 웃고 넘길수있을 만한 상황도 아니거니와 제 손에서 해결할 수 없는 문제가 되버린것 같습니다. 저는 팬분들이 제보해주신 자료를 프런트에 넘기고 SKT 경기에 집중하겠습니다. I saw the mention earlier.. Looking at what you've written up to now... starting from unspeakable words... You went too far. I don't get what crime Flash and the other progamers have committed towards you to cause you to act like this. I felt that the malicious comments were severe these days, but I didn't know it was this bad. I acknowledge that a part of the comments on 스갤 and Fomos are for fun, but this is just focusing on and attacking Flash. This is an clear act of defamation towards the KT sports team and Flash. As you can see from my twitter ID, I'm using it as an unofficial team twitter, and our sports team is also monitoring it. I almost weakened when you started mentioning your parents. I'm close with Flash's mother. She also checks a lot of online communities. Do you think she didn't see what you wrote? Do you only worry about what your parents think and not what other parents' think? This isn't a laughing matter and it's beyond my hands. I've passed on the material that the fans have given me to the KT front and will concentrate on the SKT match. And 잡담: (not translating all of it, but just the general gist) - is a Bisu fan - posted saying that Bisu might be better than Flash and got flamed for it by Flash fans -> caused him to start insulting Flash as payback - never insulted him elsewhere - didn't mean for Flash or anyone else related to see it - says that the guy who reported him is being two-faced since he also has insulted Bisu (notably PSing Bisu with a picture of a monkey with an enlarged nose) - only insulted Flash because of all the Flash-haters - begs not to tell his parents who will be disappointed by him again - says that he'll take the punishment, and learn from the experience - but then the next day, begs to be let off Ugh.. it's basically =_= really ... 비굴해.. the way the guy's begging. According to rumors, KT wants to sue, but Flash is against it. Supposedly he said that although he was hurt by the comments, 잡담 is still a fan of esports and should be let off. Not sure about this. (There's already a webcomic about the situation. I'm sure someone else *coughstartswithanmcough* will translate it because I have my last exam tomorrow and really should be studying.)+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 06:39 nitdkim wrote:![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/dCczC.jpg) I hope this does it 80% justice... I don't really know how bad the comments were, but considering that 스갤 is normally a really bad-mannered place(the average post on it is probably worse than any post that's been posted on TL, including the banned ones), it's got to be pretty bad for him to be singled out. I haven't found the posts, and I think the original posts were all erased. Heard that it had to do with attacking his personality, appearance, and parents. Although I'm not sure if KT will actually follow through, especially since Flash apparently wants to let him off, I know that people have been sued before on DC. -edit- looked up a few previous cases, and apparently on 스갤, - a guy in 2005 was about to sued for pretending to be other users and flaming players, but he committed suicide before the suit (the suing occurred after the suicide, not before. the owner of DC sued him only to find out that he was already dead) - a guy posted that he was going to kidnap, rape and kill  [B_Blade]Leader's daughter(probably not for real, but just to state how much he hated him), he read it, obviously got pissed off, and took legal action
On April 26 2011 15:44 doothegee wrote:They decided not to sue. The guy posted an apology note: + Show Spoiler +제가 사람들의 관심을 원했던거 같네요....관심을 이런 방법으로 요구하면 안되는 건데...
이영호 선수한테 정말 악의는 없는데...지금 현재 스타판에서 제일 잘나가는 선수셔서 이선수를 까면 많은 팬들이 나를 욕하겠구나 관심을 받겠구나 라고 생각되어서 이영호선수 팬이나 관계자분들 이영호 선수 본인이 볼수도 있다는건 생각도 안하고 쓰레기같은 글들을 써온거 같습니다...
많은 분들이 고소당하니깐 바뀌네 라고 생각하겠죠 맞습니다... 만약 KT측에서 고소 하지않았다면 저는 또 쓰레기같이 관심 요구를 하고 다녔을거고 또많은 분들이 상처를 받았겠죠....
하지만 고소로 인해 다시한번 나를 돌아 보게됐고 다시는 이러지 않아야 겠다고 생각 했습니다... 방금 KT 측에서 통화를 했는데 KT측에선 고소를 하려했으나 이영호선수가 자기도 글을보고 화가 났지만 저를 같은 이스포츠를 좋아하는 팬으로 생각해 주셔서 선처를 해주셨습니다... 제가 그렇게 쓰레기처럼 이영호 선수를 의미없이 그냥 관심받고자 이용해먹었는데 이런 선처를 배풀어주신 이영호 선수께 너무나도 감사 드립니다....
그리고 죄송합니다....이영호선수 정말 죄송합니다....죄송하단 말밖에 할말이 없습니다...그런데도 불구하고 용서 해주셔서 더욱감사하고 죄송합니다.... 이젠 앞으로는 의미없이 누구를 욕하는 디시니깐 스갤이니깐 이래도 되겠지라는 나만의 쓰레기같은 기준점을 만들어서 남을 욕하지 않겠습니다 절대로 남의 가슴에 상처 줄만한일 인터넷이라도 하지않겠습니다... 오늘을 제인생의 터닝포인트로 삼겠습니다....
정말로 죄송했습니다.....그리고 앞으로도 쭉 죄송한마음 가지고 살아가겠습니다... It's just a bunch of "I'm sorry, I'm just another piece of trash who just wanted attention... I never thought that he would take it personally, and thank you for forgiving me... I will use this as the turning point of my life to never hurt anyone online again".
Btw, he's apparently legally an adult, he said so on his twitter. Think I heard he was 25?
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Can you actually sue someone over that?
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Wow.. fanboyism clearly not safe anymore..
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That's cool by Flash tho, wanting to let the dude off the hook.
Flash such a chill guy
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very respectable position by flash, cant help but like him even more for being that generous
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On April 25 2011 22:58 yoonyoon wrote:
- is a Bisu fan
- posted saying that Bisu might be better than Flash and got flamed for it by Flash fans -> caused him to start insulting Flash as payback
Typical dumb Bisu fan. Same shit on TL.
Waste of time and resources on the judicial system to try 1 kid. Though, if they do sue him it'll dissuade others from posting negative comments. So uh...go for it.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50119 Posts
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Nope.
LJH actually said in an article that he and the team reads the comics.
The big-nosed monkey thing has gone on for a long time.
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Could you imagine what he would do if he saw all the hate threads on players? He would have a stroke...
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On April 25 2011 23:15 GreEny K wrote:Could you imagine what he would do if he saw all the hate threads on players? He would have a stroke...
Nothing on TL compares with how bad 스갤 can be.
Seriously, it's a lot nicer here.
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LJH has exploded on twitter before. Great job by Flash to realize this is no big deal - without seeing the actual content of the posts, if the forum is so bad, it could use moderators, not people suing fans.
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On April 25 2011 23:16 yoonyoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:15 GreEny K wrote:Could you imagine what he would do if he saw all the hate threads on players? He would have a stroke... Nothing on TL compares with how bad 스갤 can be.
Oh really? I didn't know that it was that bad. If it has a reputation for being that insulting to players, why is this the first lawsuit against them?
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United States10151 Posts
FlaSh is half terminator, half nice guy. nice. but i still really dont like that guy for hating FlaSh... come to think of it, i hate all flash haters xD. go figure...
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Must be some pretty serious comments for it to be considered sue-worthy!
Flash wanting to let him off is very respectable, but it would really tell us more if we knew the severity of the comments.
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
Lolol, a bisu fan, "who would have thought". :DDDD
That's bad to forget that players are humans too and while you can jokingly say that someone sucks, you really shouldn't go too serious on this.
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They shouldn't sue him. He is wrong about Bisu being better than Flash though.
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Can someone translate that comic?
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On April 25 2011 23:17 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:16 yoonyoon wrote:On April 25 2011 23:15 GreEny K wrote:Could you imagine what he would do if he saw all the hate threads on players? He would have a stroke... Nothing on TL compares with how bad 스갤 can be. Oh really? I didn't know that it was that bad. If it has a reputation for being that insulting to players, why is this the first lawsuit against them?
The level that is tolerated is a lot higher.
I looked it up, and apparently there have been a few other cases.
- a guy in 2005 was about to sued for pretending to be other users and flaming players, but he
committed suicide before the suit
- a guy posted that he was going to kidnap, rape and kill [B_Blade]Leader's daughter(probably not for real, but just to state how much he hated him), he read it, obviously got pissed off, and took legal action
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that 잡담 guy could, should and would be sued.... what an idiot for insulting people's parents just because he's a fan of the opposing team, brainless guy.....
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lol @ bisu>flash tee hee
I hope they don't sue though.
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On April 25 2011 23:35 yoonyoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:17 GreEny K wrote:On April 25 2011 23:16 yoonyoon wrote:On April 25 2011 23:15 GreEny K wrote:Could you imagine what he would do if he saw all the hate threads on players? He would have a stroke... Nothing on TL compares with how bad 스갤 can be. Oh really? I didn't know that it was that bad. If it has a reputation for being that insulting to players, why is this the first lawsuit against them? The level that is tolerated is a lot higher. I looked it up, and apparently there have been a few other cases. - a guy in 2005 was about to sued for pretending to be other users and flaming players, but he committed suicide before the suit - a guy posted that he was going to kidnap, rape and kill [B_Blade]Leader's daughter(probably not for real, but just to state how much he hated him), he read it, obviously got pissed off, and took legal action
Holy hell, that's messed up.
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omg that comic HAHAHAHA
I love that guy, best comics ever
(i'll translate it later)
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So South Korea finally became a kespacracy. Glory to the mighty kespa.
Maybe this way i will never be sued by them. :>
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This whole BM thing in the SC community has gone way too far. Suing over something said in a forum? I hope Kobe doesn't sue me the next time I talk about how I hate the Lakers.
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On April 25 2011 23:35 yoonyoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:17 GreEny K wrote:On April 25 2011 23:16 yoonyoon wrote:On April 25 2011 23:15 GreEny K wrote:Could you imagine what he would do if he saw all the hate threads on players? He would have a stroke... Nothing on TL compares with how bad 스갤 can be. Oh really? I didn't know that it was that bad. If it has a reputation for being that insulting to players, why is this the first lawsuit against them? The level that is tolerated is a lot higher. I looked it up, and apparently there have been a few other cases. - a guy in 2005 was about to sued for pretending to be other users and flaming players, but he
committed suicide before the suit- a guy posted that he was going to kidnap, rape and kill [B_Blade]Leader's daughter(probably not for real, but just to state how much he hated him), he read it, obviously got pissed off, and took legal action
OMG really?
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On April 25 2011 23:53 Milkis wrote:
omg that comic HAHAHAHA
I love that guy, best comics ever
(i'll translate it later)
look forward to it
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On April 25 2011 22:58 yoonyoon wrote:- a guy posted that he was going to kidnap, rape and kill [B_Blade]Leader's daughter(probably not for real, but just to state how much he hated him), he read it, obviously got pissed off, and took legal action
Holy shit. Just holy shit. That is so far over the line that it's unimaginable for me that a true fan of e-Sports could say such a thing.
I know that in any crowd there are bad apples, but the Korean ones seem to be on an entirely different level. I always felt that Korean society encouraged more mild, passive behavior, but I guess when they think they can hide behind the anonymity of the internet...
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i hope they sue his ass. if only we could do that all over the world, the internet would be so much less trolly.
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On April 25 2011 23:35 yoonyoon wrote:- a guy posted that he was going to kidnap, rape and kill [B_Blade]Leader's daughter(probably not for real, but just to state how much he hated him), he read it, obviously got pissed off, and took legal action
Uhh what the fuck. I'm sure all of that dude's friends think he's hilarious.
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Would this type of thing be sueable in western countries?, cause korean laws tend to be rather strict (in a somewhat irrational way).
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I think TL admins should do it for every troll on pro players like Idra etc...
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On April 26 2011 00:22 frodoguy wrote:
Would this type of thing be sueable in western countries?, cause korean laws tend to be rather strict (in a somewhat irrational way).
America does not have libel laws, though inal. Maybe you can be sued in some other countries like the uk?
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On April 26 2011 00:30 gen.Sun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:22 frodoguy wrote:
Would this type of thing be sueable in western countries?, cause korean laws tend to be rather strict (in a somewhat irrational way). America does not have libel laws, though inal. Maybe you can be sued in some other countries like the uk?
Pretty sure you do have libel/slander laws, just that it's extremely rare.
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On April 26 2011 00:30 gen.Sun wrote:
America does not have libel laws, though inal. Maybe you can be sued in some other countries like the uk?
Wha? Of course the U.S. has libel laws. I took an entire class on it in college. The problem is that here Flash would be considered a public figure. And public figures have to prove what's called 'actual malice.' It's very difficult to legally prove that, although in this case, it seems more like harassment than libel.
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Bisutopia19231 Posts
This guy is giving me a bad name. I still believe Flash is the best player in the world currently and I have a lot of respect for Flash. But my wittle BeeSuit is so cute! I hope he and birdytoss will have a good match soon so Bisu can earn back his PvP title.
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Ahh ok. Cool, still sounds impossible to get sued though.
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Translation of Comic:
+ Show Spoiler +<Starcraft Cartoon: The Forgiveness of the God>
God sees the insults posted against him by a randon netizen...
Flash: "WTF? This bastard. This is the most agitated I've been since I got 4pooled twice in a row. (Although I'm a little less agitated than back then)"
Reach: "Flash, chill out."
Flash: "Hyung, despite what you may say, I'm going to sue. I can't stand being insulted like this!"
Shadowy figure: "Wait, Flash! Stop!"
Flash: "?"
Reach: "?"
FX: Dun-dun-dun
Yellow: "Do you... even know what it means 'to be insulted'"? (TN: Yellow is the progamer that is made fun of the most in Korea for his 5 second-place finishes, and making fun of Yellow is a meme that is pervasive in the entire Korean internet community, even the non-Starcraft related parts)
Reach & Flash: "I can't help but be convinced!"
Reach: "Jinho hyung..."
Flash: "In front of him, I can't even begin to say the word 'sue'... T_T"
And that's why Flash didn't decide to sue the guy. All praise the benevolent God Young Ho!
END
DC Inside is roughly the equal of Korea's 4chan, even though there are some very mature users on there as well. They often partake in things that no other country or culture would understand, such as waging war against other Korean websites (one called Humoruniv comes to mind) or trying to DDOS Japan's 2chan every March 1st, which is a national day in Korea that commemorates Korea's freedom movement against Japan under Japanese imperialist rule in the early 20th century. There have been countless cases of members on the site doing unimaginable things or being sued. I remember one incident where one user cut up the body of a cat, took a picture and put it online, then gave the rest of the users a puzzle to solve, saying that if they could solve it, he would spare another cat's life. Turns out he killed the cats after all.
I don't understand people any more >_>
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On April 26 2011 01:33 doothegee wrote:Translation of Comic: + Show Spoiler +<Starcraft Cartoon: The Forgiveness of the God>
God sees the insults posted against him by a randon netizen...
Flash: "WTF? This bastard. This is the most agitated I've been since I got 4pooled twice in a row. (Although I'm a little less agitated than back then)"
Reach: "Flash, chill out."
Flash: "Hyung, despite what you may say, I'm going to sue. I can't stand being insulted like this!"
Shadowy figure: "Wait, Flash! Stop!"
Flash: "?"
Reach: "?"
FX: Dun-dun-dun
Yellow: "Do you... even know what it means 'to be insulted'"? (TN: Yellow is the progamer that is made fun of the most in Korea for his 5 second-place finishes, and making fun of Yellow is a meme that is pervasive in the entire Korean internet community, even the non-Starcraft related parts)
Reach & Flash: "I can't help but be convinced!"
Reach: "Jinho hyung..."
Flash: "In front of him, I can't even begin to say the word 'sue'... T_T"
And that's why Flash didn't decide to sue the guy. All praise the benevolent God Young Ho!
END DC Inside is roughly the equal of Korea's 4chan, even though there are some very mature users on there as well. They often partake in things that no other country or culture would understand, such as waging war against other Korean websites (one called Humoruniv comes to mind) or trying to DDOS Japan's 2chan every March 1st, which is a national day in Korea that commemorates Korea's freedom movement against Japan under Japanese imperialist rule in the early 20th century. There have been countless cases of members on the site doing unimaginable things or being sued. I remember one incident where one user cut up the body of a cat, took a picture and put it online, then gave the rest of the users a puzzle to solve, saying that if they could solve it, he would spare another cat's life. Turns out he killed the cats after all. I don't understand people any more >_>
haha nice
thanks for the trans
and fuck what a nutter, cutting up those cats :X
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On April 26 2011 01:33 doothegee wrote:Translation of Comic: + Show Spoiler +<Starcraft Cartoon: The Forgiveness of the God>
God sees the insults posted against him by a randon netizen...
Flash: "WTF? This bastard. This is the most agitated I've been since I got 4pooled twice in a row. (Although I'm a little less agitated than back then)"
Reach: "Flash, chill out."
Flash: "Hyung, despite what you may say, I'm going to sue. I can't stand being insulted like this!"
Shadowy figure: "Wait, Flash! Stop!"
Flash: "?"
Reach: "?"
FX: Dun-dun-dun
Yellow: "Do you... even know what it means 'to be insulted'"? (TN: Yellow is the progamer that is made fun of the most in Korea for his 5 second-place finishes, and making fun of Yellow is a meme that is pervasive in the entire Korean internet community, even the non-Starcraft related parts)
Reach & Flash: "I can't help but be convinced!"
Reach: "Jinho hyung..."
Flash: "In front of him, I can't even begin to say the word 'sue'... T_T"
And that's why Flash didn't decide to sue the guy. All praise the benevolent God Young Ho!
END DC Inside is roughly the equal of Korea's 4chan, even though there are some very mature users on there as well. They often partake in things that no other country or culture would understand, such as waging war against other Korean websites (one called Humoruniv comes to mind) or trying to DDOS Japan's 2chan every March 1st, which is a national day in Korea that commemorates Korea's freedom movement against Japan under Japanese imperialist rule in the early 20th century. There have been countless cases of members on the site doing unimaginable things or being sued. I remember one incident where one user cut up the body of a cat, took a picture and put it online, then gave the rest of the users a puzzle to solve, saying that if they could solve it, he would spare another cat's life. Turns out he killed the cats after all. I don't understand people any more >_>
Lolwat? 4chan seems like childplay compared to this.
im gonna admit for some reason i wasnt surprised it was a bisu fan >.< dont hate bisu tho
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On April 26 2011 00:30 gen.Sun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:22 frodoguy wrote:
Would this type of thing be sueable in western countries?, cause korean laws tend to be rather strict (in a somewhat irrational way). America does not have libel laws, though inal. Maybe you can be sued in some other countries like the uk?
The US does have libel laws. If you're a public figure, though, the chance of you winning one is almost nil.
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- says that the guy who reported him is being two-faced since he also has insulted Bisu (notably PSing Bisu with a picture of a monkey with an enlarged nose)
we're going to need to see this ASAP
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I'm really glad to hear Flash is against suing him. He's being more mature about it than the coach  . It's not like it doesn't happen everyday to celebrities (if you will) anyway; the coach is overreacting.
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this kid's recent(~10) tweets are very apologetic. just a fanboy who went too far, let him go and move on.
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How can a "professional" sports team who threatens to sue someone who can still say "Please don't tell my parents" take themselves seriously? So much legal BS in BW.
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On April 26 2011 02:23 eight.BiT wrote:
How can a "professional" sports team who threatens to sue someone who can still say "Please don't tell my parents" take themselves seriously? Personally with all the legal drama I'm pretty content to stop caring about BW.
Because of what one coach said, you're going to stop watching BW? geesh.
The KT Coach is a little impulsive. Given time to reflect, he'll probably realise he was overreacting somewhat.
On a sidenote, Coach Lee tweets a bit too often.
+ Show Spoiler +Too much drama on his twitter.
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On April 26 2011 02:27 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 02:23 eight.BiT wrote:
How can a "professional" sports team who threatens to sue someone who can still say "Please don't tell my parents" take themselves seriously? Personally with all the legal drama I'm pretty content to stop caring about BW. Because of what one coach said, you're going to stop watching BW? geesh. The KT Coach is a little impulsive. Given time to reflect, he'll probably realise he was overreacting somewhat. On a sidenote, Coach Lee tweets a bit too often. + Show Spoiler +Too much drama on his twitter.
Yeah, you caught me before I edited that. It is just one coach, you're right.
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![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/YZy9m.jpg)
"Culture Clash - ground for lawsuit.
Please - accept the mystery"
My guess is progamers spend a lot of time online and it's not easy for them to read through all the hate that some people have against them. Better moderating is the key to keep certain people from the sites. Then again, the SC2 forums prove how hard it can be.
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wow what a childish move by KT. Even if the talk got out of hand, its the forum mod's duty to take some measures, besides if someone posts it on the internets it has to be true right? omg this is so much bs, KT must better focus on sucking less in PL and not to protect their all so beloved flash from random dudes posting stuff about him.
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Why cant we all just be friends 
Happy to see coach defending the players though it seems exxagerated.
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It must have been very serious threats posted to evoke those emotions. I agree you shouldn't sue people over just some childish fanboyism, but if that guy was seriously threatening Flash and his family, then he needs to be checked. There are some crazy people out there... sometimes these people need a good scare to show others you can't be a fucking idiot (for example stating you are going to rape someone's daughter or sister). Either they get scared as hell and never do it again, or if they really were crazy enough to do what they say, maybe they deserve to get sued.
Anyhow, it must be REALLY bad since there is a lot of high level BM there already.
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wouldn't it be better if all the teams gathered and forced to close/regulate the entire site? From OP it seems no good can come up from it anyway..
- begs not to tell his parents who will be disappointed by him again
uh..makes me feel bad for him for some reason.
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On April 26 2011 01:42 thoradycus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 01:33 doothegee wrote:Translation of Comic: + Show Spoiler +<Starcraft Cartoon: The Forgiveness of the God>
God sees the insults posted against him by a randon netizen...
Flash: "WTF? This bastard. This is the most agitated I've been since I got 4pooled twice in a row. (Although I'm a little less agitated than back then)"
Reach: "Flash, chill out."
Flash: "Hyung, despite what you may say, I'm going to sue. I can't stand being insulted like this!"
Shadowy figure: "Wait, Flash! Stop!"
Flash: "?"
Reach: "?"
FX: Dun-dun-dun
Yellow: "Do you... even know what it means 'to be insulted'"? (TN: Yellow is the progamer that is made fun of the most in Korea for his 5 second-place finishes, and making fun of Yellow is a meme that is pervasive in the entire Korean internet community, even the non-Starcraft related parts)
Reach & Flash: "I can't help but be convinced!"
Reach: "Jinho hyung..."
Flash: "In front of him, I can't even begin to say the word 'sue'... T_T"
And that's why Flash didn't decide to sue the guy. All praise the benevolent God Young Ho!
END DC Inside is roughly the equal of Korea's 4chan, even though there are some very mature users on there as well. They often partake in things that no other country or culture would understand, such as waging war against other Korean websites (one called Humoruniv comes to mind) or trying to DDOS Japan's 2chan every March 1st, which is a national day in Korea that commemorates Korea's freedom movement against Japan under Japanese imperialist rule in the early 20th century. There have been countless cases of members on the site doing unimaginable things or being sued. I remember one incident where one user cut up the body of a cat, took a picture and put it online, then gave the rest of the users a puzzle to solve, saying that if they could solve it, he would spare another cat's life. Turns out he killed the cats after all. I don't understand people any more >_> Lolwat? 4chan seems like childplay compared to this. im gonna admit for some reason i wasnt surprised it was a bisu fan >.< dont hate bisu tho
The average 4chan poster in inoffensive but there are brutal threads there. Murderers have posted before and after killing.
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On April 26 2011 03:22 Caos2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 01:42 thoradycus wrote:On April 26 2011 01:33 doothegee wrote:Translation of Comic: + Show Spoiler +<Starcraft Cartoon: The Forgiveness of the God>
God sees the insults posted against him by a randon netizen...
Flash: "WTF? This bastard. This is the most agitated I've been since I got 4pooled twice in a row. (Although I'm a little less agitated than back then)"
Reach: "Flash, chill out."
Flash: "Hyung, despite what you may say, I'm going to sue. I can't stand being insulted like this!"
Shadowy figure: "Wait, Flash! Stop!"
Flash: "?"
Reach: "?"
FX: Dun-dun-dun
Yellow: "Do you... even know what it means 'to be insulted'"? (TN: Yellow is the progamer that is made fun of the most in Korea for his 5 second-place finishes, and making fun of Yellow is a meme that is pervasive in the entire Korean internet community, even the non-Starcraft related parts)
Reach & Flash: "I can't help but be convinced!"
Reach: "Jinho hyung..."
Flash: "In front of him, I can't even begin to say the word 'sue'... T_T"
And that's why Flash didn't decide to sue the guy. All praise the benevolent God Young Ho!
END DC Inside is roughly the equal of Korea's 4chan, even though there are some very mature users on there as well. They often partake in things that no other country or culture would understand, such as waging war against other Korean websites (one called Humoruniv comes to mind) or trying to DDOS Japan's 2chan every March 1st, which is a national day in Korea that commemorates Korea's freedom movement against Japan under Japanese imperialist rule in the early 20th century. There have been countless cases of members on the site doing unimaginable things or being sued. I remember one incident where one user cut up the body of a cat, took a picture and put it online, then gave the rest of the users a puzzle to solve, saying that if they could solve it, he would spare another cat's life. Turns out he killed the cats after all. I don't understand people any more >_> Lolwat? 4chan seems like childplay compared to this. im gonna admit for some reason i wasnt surprised it was a bisu fan >.< dont hate bisu tho The average 4chan poster in inoffensive but there are brutal threads there. Murderers have posted before and after killing.
How exactly does someone prove something like that?
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I believe this is the very definition of frivolous lawsuit.
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Sounds like a giant publicity stunt.
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Wow flash is such a baller, always wanting the best for the good of esports.
But yeah, KT coach is such a jerk sometimes... with the suing.. and disgusting comments on Savior.
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On April 26 2011 02:15 jinorazi wrote:
this kid's recent(~10) tweets are very apologetic. just a fanboy who went too far, let him go and move on.
The truth is, Korea's internet scene (especially among younger people, which would encompass most of Starcraft fans) has really degenerated to a disgusting, almost sub-human level and certain measures do need to be taken to address it, at least in my opinion. It is LITERALLY a very common sight to see someone curse, say, every ten words. Imagine someone checking into a LR thread saying something like, + Show Spoiler +"Hey what's up f**kers, how's that f**got Flash doing in this game? WTF? He's losing against that piece of trash Best? Fuuuuuuck. LOLOL retire nao"
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I don't know how to feel about this. It's so common that it's seems strange to take people at random and try to punish them, but at the same time I'd really like it to be less common  People on the internet can be very cruel. In this case in involves money... It would hurt the team if bad rumours were spread about their star player. It's basically cyber-bullying someone you've never met.
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On the plus side, it's pretty awesome how passionate people are about this game to this day. This is the silver lining that Flash is seeing, I imagine.
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I hope this does it 80% justice...
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Certainly it's a bad thing to say stuff about players that's law-suit worthy (jeez, I wonder what he said to make it law-suit worthy...o_O) but if he really means no harm, then I don't see a reason for a law-suit. Sure whatever he said must have been really hurtful (and honestly, I would like it if there were less of that in this world), but getting into a lawsuit over it seems a bit like over-reacting to me, given the situation.
Though I have to admit, as a Bisu fanboy, this behavior from another fanboy disappoints me. =\
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Truly, Flash can't say anything in front of Yellow. There's a reason why he's called Kong and we have ㅋㄲㅈㅁ.
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Wow, thank god that KT doesn't read Teamliquid. Fanboyism gets A LOT worse here haha.
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On April 26 2011 04:46 doothegee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 02:15 jinorazi wrote:
this kid's recent(~10) tweets are very apologetic. just a fanboy who went too far, let him go and move on. The truth is, Korea's internet scene (especially among younger people, which would encompass most of Starcraft fans) has really degenerated to a disgusting, almost sub-human level and certain measures do need to be taken to address it, at least in my opinion. It is LITERALLY a very common sight to see someone curse, say, every ten words. Imagine someone checking into a LR thread saying something like, + Show Spoiler +"Hey what's up f**kers, how's that f**got Flash doing in this game? WTF? He's losing against that piece of trash Best? Fuuuuuuck. LOLOL retire nao" It just doesn't happen at TL, thank god. It's really a sad sight to see. I'm fully backing KT on this one.
We are truly spoiled by TL (at least in the bw side of the site). The sad truth is that the vast majority of the internet is exactly as you described. If battle.net had LR threads for proleague I'd wager you would see the same type of comments as the one in your spoiler.
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Broodwar has gotten really fucking stupid lately -_-
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On April 26 2011 06:39 nitdkim wrote:
I hope this does it 80% justice...
It's only 80% because the mantoss would never shed tears.
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On April 26 2011 08:06 Craton wrote:It's only 80% because the mantoss would never shed tears.
hahahahahahaha that pic and your comment made me spill my drink :D
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While we TLers do throw some hate around regarding fanboyism, we generally keep it purely related to the player's records, and not lavish insults on the player's appearances and what not... or at least as I'd like to think. But I guess this is as good of a sign as any that people should keep it "professional" and stick to facts, and not mudslinging. I hope this isn't blown out of proportion.
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Korean internet community, besides few private well-regulated websites, are utter garbage. You know there is problem when people start debating "open name" policy to remove animosity seriously in SK.
Edit: On more related note to thread, can't really see how one could make judgment without this whole thing unless someone manage to uncover this guy's posts.
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The Korean Netizens are us in 10 years. Unless the amazing mods of TL continue to hero it up, that is.
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Oh bother 
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I don't see what the problem is to be honest.
Maybe it's a cultural thing but I don't think anyone could say anything to my face that would warrant me to file a lawsuit, let alone something they said over the internet. People in korean esports should expect these kinds of things to be said frequently, otherwise they are simply unproffesional.
Again, maybe it's a cultural thing, but Flash doesn't seem phased by it which makes me wonder...
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Maybe KT is overreacting, but Flash did mention in his interview after the MSL group D match that he had been struggling with some personal issues which had made it very hard to practice...
I would assume after reading this thread that this is what Flash was referring to by 'personal issues'.
If what was said in that forum is affecting Flash and he is unable to perform at his best or practice properly I can fully understand why KT would want to take action...
But again, this is just my opinion and I might be wrong, go read the interview and see what you think...
I just hope this all gets properly resolved for the sake of Flash, KT and E-sports
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On April 25 2011 22:58 yoonyoon wrote:The details are really fuzzy right now, but if I'm correct, a guy who goes by the username "잡담" on "스갤"(an anonymous Korean BW forum, which is part of the site DC) may be sued. The KT Coach LJH was notified by KT fans tweeting him about a guy who consistently posted malicious comments about Flash. A twitter conversation ensued between 잡담 and LJH. Either I haven't discovered the function yet or twitter is retarded, so I can't see the conversation as it folded but just see the two sides tweeting. http://twitter.com/#!/roqytm <-잡담 http://twitter.com/#!/KTRolster <- LJH (April 24th) LJH + Show Spoiler +@roqytm 멘션온건 진작에 봤는데.. 지금까지 써오셨던 글보니.. 입에 담기도 힘든말부터해서... 정말 너무하시는군요. 이영호 선수를 비롯한 프로게이머들이 현수씨한테 얼마나 큰죄를 지었길래.. 이러시는지 이해를 할 수가 없네요
@roqytm 근래 악플이 심하다고 느꼈지만 이정도일줄은 몰랐습니다. 물론 스갤이나 포모스 재미로 악플달고 하는부분 어느정도 인정합니다만 이건 아주 이영호 선수만 집중적으로 공격하셨네요?
@roqytm 이는 명백한 KT스포츠단의 이미지 훼손과 더불어 KT Rolster 이영호 선수의 명예훼손의 행위입니다. 제 트윗아이디 보시면 알겠지만 비공식 팀내 트위터로 사용되고 있구요 저희 스포츠단에서도 모니터링 하고 있습니다
@roqytm 부모님 얘기 하시길래 마음이 좀 약해질뻔 했습니다만. 제가 이영호 선수 어머님과도 잘 아는데.이영호 선수 어머님도 여러 커뮤니티 즐겨 보십니다. 보시면서 당신글 안보셨을까요? 당신 부모님 심정은 걱정되고 남 부모님 심정은 걱정안되나요?
@roqytm 어느정도 웃고 넘길수있을 만한 상황도 아니거니와 제 손에서 해결할 수 없는 문제가 되버린것 같습니다. 저는 팬분들이 제보해주신 자료를 프런트에 넘기고 SKT 경기에 집중하겠습니다. I saw the mention earlier.. Looking at what you've written up to now... starting from unspeakable words... You went too far. I don't get what crime Flash and the other progamers have committed towards you to cause you to act like this. I felt that the malicious comments were severe these days, but I didn't know it was this bad. I acknowledge that a part of the comments on 스갤 and Fomos are for fun, but this is just focusing on and attacking Flash. This is an clear act of defamation towards the KT sports team and Flash. As you can see from my twitter ID, I'm using it as an unofficial team twitter, and our sports team is also monitoring it. I almost weakened when you started mentioning your parents. I'm close with Flash's mother. She also checks a lot of online communities. Do you think she didn't see what you wrote? Do you only worry about what your parents think and not what other parents' think? This isn't a laughing matter and it's beyond my hands. I've passed on the material that the fans have given me to the KT front and will concentrate on the SKT match. And 잡담: (not translating all of it, but just the general gist) - is a Bisu fan - posted saying that Bisu might be better than Flash and got flamed for it by Flash fans -> caused him to start insulting Flash as payback - never insulted him elsewhere - didn't mean for Flash or anyone else related to see it - says that the guy who reported him is being two-faced since he also has insulted Bisu (notably PSing Bisu with a picture of a monkey with an enlarged nose) - only insulted Flash because of all the Flash-haters - begs not to tell his parents who will be disappointed by him again
- says that he'll take the punishment, and learn from the experience- but then the next day, begs to be let off Ugh.. it's basically =_= really ... 비굴해.. the way the guy's begging. According to rumors, KT wants to sue, but Flash is against it. Supposedly he said that although he was hurt by the comments, 잡담 is still a fan of esports and should be let off. Not sure about this. (There's already a webcomic about the situation. I'm sure someone else *coughstartswithanmcough* will translate it because I have my last exam tomorrow and really should be studying.) + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/data/cheditor4/1104/EUvy1GDBAH.jpg) It's better with the sound effects, but eh. Look it up elsewhere to hear the original BGM I don't really know how bad the comments were, but considering that 스갤 is normally a really bad-mannered place(the average post on it is probably worse than any post that's been posted on TL, including the banned ones), it's got to be pretty bad for him to be singled out. I haven't found the posts, and I think the original posts were all erased. Heard that it had to do with attacking his personality, appearance, and parents. Although I'm not sure if KT will actually follow through, especially since Flash apparently wants to let him off, I know that people have been sued before on DC. -edit- looked up a few previous cases, and apparently on 스갤, - a guy in 2005 was about to sued for pretending to be other users and flaming players, but he committed suicide before the suit (the suing occurred after the suicide, not before. the owner of DC sued him only to find out that he was already dead) - a guy posted that he was going to kidnap, rape and kill [B_Blade]Leader's daughter(probably not for real, but just to state how much he hated him), he read it, obviously got pissed off, and took legal action
LOLOLOLOLOL Must be like 12 years old kid...
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They decided not to sue.
The guy posted an apology note:
+ Show Spoiler +제가 사람들의 관심을 원했던거 같네요....관심을 이런 방법으로 요구하면 안되는 건데...
이영호 선수한테 정말 악의는 없는데...지금 현재 스타판에서 제일 잘나가는 선수셔서 이선수를 까면 많은 팬들이 나를 욕하겠구나 관심을 받겠구나 라고 생각되어서 이영호선수 팬이나 관계자분들 이영호 선수 본인이 볼수도 있다는건 생각도 안하고 쓰레기같은 글들을 써온거 같습니다...
많은 분들이 고소당하니깐 바뀌네 라고 생각하겠죠 맞습니다... 만약 KT측에서 고소 하지않았다면 저는 또 쓰레기같이 관심 요구를 하고 다녔을거고 또많은 분들이 상처를 받았겠죠....
하지만 고소로 인해 다시한번 나를 돌아 보게됐고 다시는 이러지 않아야 겠다고 생각 했습니다... 방금 KT 측에서 통화를 했는데 KT측에선 고소를 하려했으나 이영호선수가 자기도 글을보고 화가 났지만 저를 같은 이스포츠를 좋아하는 팬으로 생각해 주셔서 선처를 해주셨습니다... 제가 그렇게 쓰레기처럼 이영호 선수를 의미없이 그냥 관심받고자 이용해먹었는데 이런 선처를 배풀어주신 이영호 선수께 너무나도 감사 드립니다....
그리고 죄송합니다....이영호선수 정말 죄송합니다....죄송하단 말밖에 할말이 없습니다...그런데도 불구하고 용서 해주셔서 더욱감사하고 죄송합니다.... 이젠 앞으로는 의미없이 누구를 욕하는 디시니깐 스갤이니깐 이래도 되겠지라는 나만의 쓰레기같은 기준점을 만들어서 남을 욕하지 않겠습니다 절대로 남의 가슴에 상처 줄만한일 인터넷이라도 하지않겠습니다... 오늘을 제인생의 터닝포인트로 삼겠습니다....
정말로 죄송했습니다.....그리고 앞으로도 쭉 죄송한마음 가지고 살아가겠습니다...
It's just a bunch of "I'm sorry, I'm just another piece of trash who just wanted attention... I never thought that he would take it personally, and thank you for forgiving me... I will use this as the turning point of my life to never hurt anyone online again".
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I'm glad they decided to let him off, especially if he was just a dumb kid who went too far.
Flash is classy as usual.
Didn't Flash get Korean anti-fans saying bad things about his parents a year or two ago, too? That kind of stuff really pisses me off, attacking the player is one thing but attacking their family is something only trash would do.
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if you had the Power to fuck up someone who dissed you or your friends online, then you would be totally more inclined to use it.
99.999% of internet people dont have the power to get their Company and sue someone who trash talks them. so instead we just realise its some random lolfag we dont even know, and move on. we come to terms with things psychologically and with reason, rather than throwing money and power and ragefits at them
so you should ask yourself is it right to fuck up someone physically (sueing them, national newspaper, parents and school involved etc) for dissing you indirectly (they're mindlessly talking to their keyboard or a lolfag community and not straight to you or your email inbox) and annonymously in a casual troll/student-owned forum?
no its not fucking right so people shouldnt be given that power.
anyone who is shocked by "rudeness" and obnoxious or impolite behaviour should try spending some time in a normal community rather than one that bans 10,000s of members every year. go live in some unmoderated communities and games where someone saying they're going to rape your sister is normal and lighthearted fun/expression. go browse some guro communities but dont think you can call them out and get them arrested after you make the choice to step into their world
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On April 26 2011 16:09 FFGenerations wrote:
anyone who is shocked by "rudeness" and obnoxious or impolite behaviour should try spending some time in a normal community rather than one that bans 10,000s of members every year. go live in some unmoderated communities and games where someone saying they're going to rape your sister is normal and lighthearted fun/expression. go browse some guro communities but dont think you can call them out and get them arrested after you make the choice to step into their world
Dude when you say "normal community" I don't think of communities where it's okay to say you're going to rape anyone. Team Liquid is closer to a normal community in this respect because it's closer to normal, sane standards of human interaction. The thing is if there's no accountability and most people don't ban 10,000s of people every month or year or whatever the entire internet is automatically a shithole that will get continuously worse. It isn't an acceptable state of affairs for people to go around talking about raping people's sisters or daughters. Words like that have to indicate something because they're important for determining intent in committing in action which they can still do on an internet forum even if other people say it jokingly.
I think sueing is a majorly ineffective and inefficient way to deal with it but you have to do something to establish that there's a line to draw in human interaction.
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thats YOUR opinion, YOUR social norms, and YOUR tiny little individual space on the internet (which is actually just a series of tubes). you know there are massive communities of people who will break down in tears and start shaking like children if you utter words ranging from "asshole" to "damn!". its not right for either party to infiltrate another and start imposing their own little brand of brainwashing, in this fashion
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LOL that comic is AMAZING. OH MY GOD. The legendary Yellow... seriously. NO ONE should complain when they see Yellow, that guy is legendary in more ways than just his Starcraft skills...
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On April 26 2011 16:09 FFGenerations wrote:
anyone who is shocked by "rudeness" and obnoxious or impolite behaviour should try spending some time in a normal community rather than one that bans 10,000s of members every year. go live in some unmoderated communities and games where someone saying they're going to rape your sister is normal and lighthearted fun/expression. go browse some guro communities but dont think you can call them out and get them arrested after you make the choice to step into their world
The completely deregulated forum system can function though.. as a lot of the trolls only stick to profanity as long as it brings them attention.. and when profanity becomes old and boring, people stop giving the trolls attention - and community becomes civil. Some of the 4chan message boards can be an example of this, though perhaps not the /b because of having young sample of users to begin with.
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On April 26 2011 16:09 FFGenerations wrote:
anyone who is shocked by "rudeness" and obnoxious or impolite behaviour should try spending some time in a normal community rather than one that bans 10,000s of members every year. go live in some unmoderated communities and games where someone saying they're going to rape your sister is normal and lighthearted fun/expression. go browse some guro communities but dont think you can call them out and get them arrested after you make the choice to step into their world
So apparently now the accepted standard for human behavior is calling people's fathers as faggots and their mothers as whores. Maybe step out of the Internet and realize that trolling isn't normal? If you can give me an example of an actual "community" that operates under these guidelines, I will retract all of what I have said. You can say "I'm going to rape your sister" to perhaps your friend as a "normal and lighthearted fun/expression", but not on the Internet.
Encouraging people to throw away their accountability is the last thing we should be doing, and this is doubly true in Korea, which has the worst netizen interaction in the world.
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On April 26 2011 16:27 FFGenerations wrote:
thats YOUR opinion, YOUR social norms, and YOUR tiny little individual space on the internet (which is actually just a series of tubes). you know there are massive communities of people who will break down in tears and start shaking like children if you utter words ranging from "asshole" to "damn!". its not right for either party to infiltrate another and start imposing their own little brand of brainwashing, in this fashion
I think you've lost the plot...
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On April 26 2011 16:47 doothegee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 16:09 FFGenerations wrote:
anyone who is shocked by "rudeness" and obnoxious or impolite behaviour should try spending some time in a normal community rather than one that bans 10,000s of members every year. go live in some unmoderated communities and games where someone saying they're going to rape your sister is normal and lighthearted fun/expression. go browse some guro communities but dont think you can call them out and get them arrested after you make the choice to step into their world So apparently now the accepted standard for human behavior is calling people's fathers as faggots and their mothers as whores. Maybe step out of the Internet and realize that trolling isn't normal? If you can give me an example of an actual "community" that operates under these guidelines, I will retract all of what I have said. You can say "I'm going to rape your sister" to perhaps your friend as a "normal and lighthearted fun/expression", but not on the Internet. Encouraging people to throw away their accountability is the last thing we should be doing, and this is doubly true in Korea, which has the worst netizen interaction in the world.
I agree wholeheartedly...
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Sometimes you just need a scapegoat so that others will learn how to behave properly.
People will never learn until they experience the pain.
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On April 26 2011 04:12 Turgid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 03:22 Caos2 wrote:On April 26 2011 01:42 thoradycus wrote:On April 26 2011 01:33 doothegee wrote:Translation of Comic: + Show Spoiler +<Starcraft Cartoon: The Forgiveness of the God>
God sees the insults posted against him by a randon netizen...
Flash: "WTF? This bastard. This is the most agitated I've been since I got 4pooled twice in a row. (Although I'm a little less agitated than back then)"
Reach: "Flash, chill out."
Flash: "Hyung, despite what you may say, I'm going to sue. I can't stand being insulted like this!"
Shadowy figure: "Wait, Flash! Stop!"
Flash: "?"
Reach: "?"
FX: Dun-dun-dun
Yellow: "Do you... even know what it means 'to be insulted'"? (TN: Yellow is the progamer that is made fun of the most in Korea for his 5 second-place finishes, and making fun of Yellow is a meme that is pervasive in the entire Korean internet community, even the non-Starcraft related parts)
Reach & Flash: "I can't help but be convinced!"
Reach: "Jinho hyung..."
Flash: "In front of him, I can't even begin to say the word 'sue'... T_T"
And that's why Flash didn't decide to sue the guy. All praise the benevolent God Young Ho!
END DC Inside is roughly the equal of Korea's 4chan, even though there are some very mature users on there as well. They often partake in things that no other country or culture would understand, such as waging war against other Korean websites (one called Humoruniv comes to mind) or trying to DDOS Japan's 2chan every March 1st, which is a national day in Korea that commemorates Korea's freedom movement against Japan under Japanese imperialist rule in the early 20th century. There have been countless cases of members on the site doing unimaginable things or being sued. I remember one incident where one user cut up the body of a cat, took a picture and put it online, then gave the rest of the users a puzzle to solve, saying that if they could solve it, he would spare another cat's life. Turns out he killed the cats after all. I don't understand people any more >_> Lolwat? 4chan seems like childplay compared to this. im gonna admit for some reason i wasnt surprised it was a bisu fan >.< dont hate bisu tho The average 4chan poster in inoffensive but there are brutal threads there. Murderers have posted before and after killing. How exactly does someone prove something like that?
This is fairly convincing... obviously, it could be fabricated, but I don't imagine it is.
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can anyone translate what the fanboy said about flash?
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On April 26 2011 16:47 doothegee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 16:09 FFGenerations wrote:
anyone who is shocked by "rudeness" and obnoxious or impolite behaviour should try spending some time in a normal community rather than one that bans 10,000s of members every year. go live in some unmoderated communities and games where someone saying they're going to rape your sister is normal and lighthearted fun/expression. go browse some guro communities but dont think you can call them out and get them arrested after you make the choice to step into their world So apparently now the accepted standard for human behavior is calling people's fathers as faggots and their mothers as whores. Maybe step out of the Internet and realize that trolling isn't normal? If you can give me an example of an actual "community" that operates under these guidelines, I will retract all of what I have said. You can say "I'm going to rape your sister" to perhaps your friend as a "normal and lighthearted fun/expression", but not on the Internet. Encouraging people to throw away their accountability is the last thing we should be doing, and this is doubly true in Korea, which has the worst netizen interaction in the world.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/k382X.jpg)
Does this count?
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On April 27 2011 00:24 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 04:12 Turgid wrote:On April 26 2011 03:22 Caos2 wrote:On April 26 2011 01:42 thoradycus wrote:On April 26 2011 01:33 doothegee wrote:Translation of Comic: + Show Spoiler +<Starcraft Cartoon: The Forgiveness of the God>
God sees the insults posted against him by a randon netizen...
Flash: "WTF? This bastard. This is the most agitated I've been since I got 4pooled twice in a row. (Although I'm a little less agitated than back then)"
Reach: "Flash, chill out."
Flash: "Hyung, despite what you may say, I'm going to sue. I can't stand being insulted like this!"
Shadowy figure: "Wait, Flash! Stop!"
Flash: "?"
Reach: "?"
FX: Dun-dun-dun
Yellow: "Do you... even know what it means 'to be insulted'"? (TN: Yellow is the progamer that is made fun of the most in Korea for his 5 second-place finishes, and making fun of Yellow is a meme that is pervasive in the entire Korean internet community, even the non-Starcraft related parts)
Reach & Flash: "I can't help but be convinced!"
Reach: "Jinho hyung..."
Flash: "In front of him, I can't even begin to say the word 'sue'... T_T"
And that's why Flash didn't decide to sue the guy. All praise the benevolent God Young Ho!
END DC Inside is roughly the equal of Korea's 4chan, even though there are some very mature users on there as well. They often partake in things that no other country or culture would understand, such as waging war against other Korean websites (one called Humoruniv comes to mind) or trying to DDOS Japan's 2chan every March 1st, which is a national day in Korea that commemorates Korea's freedom movement against Japan under Japanese imperialist rule in the early 20th century. There have been countless cases of members on the site doing unimaginable things or being sued. I remember one incident where one user cut up the body of a cat, took a picture and put it online, then gave the rest of the users a puzzle to solve, saying that if they could solve it, he would spare another cat's life. Turns out he killed the cats after all. I don't understand people any more >_> Lolwat? 4chan seems like childplay compared to this. im gonna admit for some reason i wasnt surprised it was a bisu fan >.< dont hate bisu tho The average 4chan poster in inoffensive but there are brutal threads there. Murderers have posted before and after killing. How exactly does someone prove something like that? This is fairly convincing... obviously, it could be fabricated, but I don't imagine it is.
oh dang lol
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On April 26 2011 16:27 FFGenerations wrote:
thats YOUR opinion, YOUR social norms, and YOUR tiny little individual space on the internet (which is actually just a series of tubes). you know there are massive communities of people who will break down in tears and start shaking like children if you utter words ranging from "asshole" to "damn!". its not right for either party to infiltrate another and start imposing their own little brand of brainwashing, in this fashion
Actually it may be, obnoxious behavior, impoliteness and rudeness aside, if someone posts defamatory lies or threats it can be illegal depending on your country of residence. If the LAW allows it and you deem it necessary I say it should be used in this manner. After all that is why it is there.
Of course people will have different standards for what is deemed acceptable but there has to be a limit about what you can do or say. Even if its on the internet.
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On April 30 2011 02:19 b0lt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 16:47 doothegee wrote:On April 26 2011 16:09 FFGenerations wrote:
anyone who is shocked by "rudeness" and obnoxious or impolite behaviour should try spending some time in a normal community rather than one that bans 10,000s of members every year. go live in some unmoderated communities and games where someone saying they're going to rape your sister is normal and lighthearted fun/expression. go browse some guro communities but dont think you can call them out and get them arrested after you make the choice to step into their world So apparently now the accepted standard for human behavior is calling people's fathers as faggots and their mothers as whores. Maybe step out of the Internet and realize that trolling isn't normal? If you can give me an example of an actual "community" that operates under these guidelines, I will retract all of what I have said. You can say "I'm going to rape your sister" to perhaps your friend as a "normal and lighthearted fun/expression", but not on the Internet. Encouraging people to throw away their accountability is the last thing we should be doing, and this is doubly true in Korea, which has the worst netizen interaction in the world. Does this count?
No. Thats not normal human behaviour the same way extremists that blow themselves up arent normal.
Also that picture isnt trolling. They genuinely believe what they are doing is correct cos they are so twisted. People that troll know what they are doing isnt normal human interaction. If they werent aware that they shouldnt talk to other people that way then they probably have aspergers.
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Has the slanderer changed his ways?
I am glad Flash forgave him.
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really curious abt what was said to trigger such a response @_@
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Well, it's probably good that he got a wakeup call to stop being a tool, but I question KT's attempted strong-arming.
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On April 25 2011 23:00 GreEny K wrote:
Can you actually sue someone over that?
You can sue anyone over anything you want. It's up the the courts to decide if the lawsuit carries any weight.
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If the KT coach did sue KT Rolster would lose a fan. Thankfully he did not. Not that I agree what the poster did was acceptable, but suing is not either. As long as it did not threaten FlaSh or anyone else, there is no reason to do so. Just the average fan messages.
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On April 26 2011 16:09 FFGenerations wrote:
if you had the Power to fuck up someone who dissed you or your friends online, then you would be totally more inclined to use it.
99.999% of internet people dont have the power to get their Company and sue someone who trash talks them. so instead we just realise its some random lolfag we dont even know, and move on. we come to terms with things psychologically and with reason, rather than throwing money and power and ragefits at them
so you should ask yourself is it right to fuck up someone physically (sueing them, national newspaper, parents and school involved etc) for dissing you indirectly (they're mindlessly talking to their keyboard or a lolfag community and not straight to you or your email inbox) and annonymously in a casual troll/student-owned forum?
no its not fucking right so people shouldnt be given that power.
anyone who is shocked by "rudeness" and obnoxious or impolite behaviour should try spending some time in a normal community rather than one that bans 10,000s of members every year. go live in some unmoderated communities and games where someone saying they're going to rape your sister is normal and lighthearted fun/expression. go browse some guro communities but dont think you can call them out and get them arrested after you make the choice to step into their world
You can go live in your guro communities. I like this moderated one much better, thanks.
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Geez, if you could sue people for insulting words on the internet in the US then everyone on 4chan would have a life sentence by now. Also
On April 26 2011 16:09 FFGenerations wrote:
if you had the Power to fuck up someone who dissed you or your friends online, then you would be totally more inclined to use it.
99.999% of internet people dont have the power to get their Company and sue someone who trash talks them. so instead we just realise its some random lolfag we dont even know, and move on. we come to terms with things psychologically and with reason, rather than throwing money and power and ragefits at them
so you should ask yourself is it right to fuck up someone physically (sueing them, national newspaper, parents and school involved etc) for dissing you indirectly (they're mindlessly talking to their keyboard or a lolfag community and not straight to you or your email inbox) and annonymously in a casual troll/student-owned forum?
no its not fucking right so people shouldnt be given that power.
anyone who is shocked by "rudeness" and obnoxious or impolite behaviour should try spending some time in a normal community rather than one that bans 10,000s of members every year. go live in some unmoderated communities and games where someone saying they're going to rape your sister is normal and lighthearted fun/expression. go browse some guro communities but dont think you can call them out and get them arrested after you make the choice to step into their world
Just because there are communities like that doesn't make it right or OK, just because most aren't punished for being dicks and just because it's the internet doesn't make it acceptable, I just wish more people were actually held accountable.
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On April 25 2011 22:58 yoonyoon wrote:The details are really fuzzy right now, but if I'm correct, a guy who goes by the username "잡담" on "스갤"(an anonymous Korean BW forum, which is part of the site DC) may be sued. The KT Coach LJH was notified by KT fans tweeting him about a guy who consistently posted malicious comments about Flash. A twitter conversation ensued between 잡담 and LJH. Either I haven't discovered the function yet or twitter is retarded, so I can't see the conversation as it folded but just see the two sides tweeting. http://twitter.com/#!/roqytm <-잡담 http://twitter.com/#!/KTRolster <- LJH (April 24th) LJH + Show Spoiler +@roqytm 멘션온건 진작에 봤는데.. 지금까지 써오셨던 글보니.. 입에 담기도 힘든말부터해서... 정말 너무하시는군요. 이영호 선수를 비롯한 프로게이머들이 현수씨한테 얼마나 큰죄를 지었길래.. 이러시는지 이해를 할 수가 없네요
@roqytm 근래 악플이 심하다고 느꼈지만 이정도일줄은 몰랐습니다. 물론 스갤이나 포모스 재미로 악플달고 하는부분 어느정도 인정합니다만 이건 아주 이영호 선수만 집중적으로 공격하셨네요?
@roqytm 이는 명백한 KT스포츠단의 이미지 훼손과 더불어 KT Rolster 이영호 선수의 명예훼손의 행위입니다. 제 트윗아이디 보시면 알겠지만 비공식 팀내 트위터로 사용되고 있구요 저희 스포츠단에서도 모니터링 하고 있습니다
@roqytm 부모님 얘기 하시길래 마음이 좀 약해질뻔 했습니다만. 제가 이영호 선수 어머님과도 잘 아는데.이영호 선수 어머님도 여러 커뮤니티 즐겨 보십니다. 보시면서 당신글 안보셨을까요? 당신 부모님 심정은 걱정되고 남 부모님 심정은 걱정안되나요?
@roqytm 어느정도 웃고 넘길수있을 만한 상황도 아니거니와 제 손에서 해결할 수 없는 문제가 되버린것 같습니다. 저는 팬분들이 제보해주신 자료를 프런트에 넘기고 SKT 경기에 집중하겠습니다. I saw the mention earlier.. Looking at what you've written up to now... starting from unspeakable words... You went too far. I don't get what crime Flash and the other progamers have committed towards you to cause you to act like this. I felt that the malicious comments were severe these days, but I didn't know it was this bad. I acknowledge that a part of the comments on 스갤 and Fomos are for fun, but this is just focusing on and attacking Flash. This is an clear act of defamation towards the KT sports team and Flash. As you can see from my twitter ID, I'm using it as an unofficial team twitter, and our sports team is also monitoring it. I almost weakened when you started mentioning your parents. I'm close with Flash's mother. She also checks a lot of online communities. Do you think she didn't see what you wrote? Do you only worry about what your parents think and not what other parents' think? This isn't a laughing matter and it's beyond my hands. I've passed on the material that the fans have given me to the KT front and will concentrate on the SKT match. And 잡담: (not translating all of it, but just the general gist) - is a Bisu fan - posted saying that Bisu might be better than Flash and got flamed for it by Flash fans -> caused him to start insulting Flash as payback - never insulted him elsewhere - didn't mean for Flash or anyone else related to see it - says that the guy who reported him is being two-faced since he also has insulted Bisu (notably PSing Bisu with a picture of a monkey with an enlarged nose) - only insulted Flash because of all the Flash-haters - begs not to tell his parents who will be disappointed by him again
- says that he'll take the punishment, and learn from the experience- but then the next day, begs to be let off Ugh.. it's basically =_= really ... 비굴해.. the way the guy's begging. According to rumors, KT wants to sue, but Flash is against it. Supposedly he said that although he was hurt by the comments, 잡담 is still a fan of esports and should be let off. Not sure about this. (There's already a webcomic about the situation. I'm sure someone else *coughstartswithanmcough* will translate it because I have my last exam tomorrow and really should be studying.) + Show Spoiler +It's better with the sound effects, but eh. Look it up elsewhere to hear the original BGM I don't really know how bad the comments were, but considering that 스갤 is normally a really bad-mannered place(the average post on it is probably worse than any post that's been posted on TL, including the banned ones), it's got to be pretty bad for him to be singled out. I haven't found the posts, and I think the original posts were all erased. Heard that it had to do with attacking his personality, appearance, and parents. Although I'm not sure if KT will actually follow through, especially since Flash apparently wants to let him off, I know that people have been sued before on DC. -edit- looked up a few previous cases, and apparently on 스갤, - a guy in 2005 was about to sued for pretending to be other users and flaming players, but he committed suicide before the suit (the suing occurred after the suicide, not before. the owner of DC sued him only to find out that he was already dead) - a guy posted that he was going to kidnap, rape and kill [B_Blade]Leader's daughter(probably not for real, but just to state how much he hated him), he read it, obviously got pissed off, and took legal action
hmm.... do you think that korean website has even worse comments/posts than youtubers? hahaha
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Korea: Where BM is illegal
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