Great read, and <3 shark (considering my quote is from him). After watching hyungjoon becomes a progamer i've been a big fan of him. Thanks for the translation!

jimminy_kriket

Canada5529 Posts

February 16 2011 02:32 GMT

#43

Very interesting. Thanks for the translation and Thanks to shark for writing this up.

Wolf

Korea (South)3290 Posts

February 16 2011 02:33 GMT

#44

A ton of people could learn from this. Thanks Shark!

Zim23

United States1681 Posts

February 16 2011 02:56 GMT

#45

Awesome, I love this.

buwitre

Philippines22 Posts

February 16 2011 03:06 GMT

#46

Thanks so much for this. The translations IMO are a big part of what makes TL such a great resource.

chongu

Malaysia2594 Posts

February 16 2011 03:15 GMT

#47

Hmmmmm, never bothered much about second overlords :D i always tot overlords meeting would just imply base locations.... never thought abt anything beyond that. cheerio dude : )

Black[CAT]

Malaysia2589 Posts

February 16 2011 03:29 GMT

#48

Amazing knowledge given out by Shark, stuff's that usually progamers only know. Made me realize that ZvZ is very deep as well.

HaruHaru

United States988 Posts

February 16 2011 03:39 GMT

#49

ooo interesting can't wait for the other 2 articles

RYZmooN

Canada575 Posts

February 16 2011 04:08 GMT

#50

On February 16 2011 05:02 KazKamasa wrote:

Show nested quote +

Same here =)

not only i love (and pwn) at ZvZ, i LOVE ZvZ matches! i dont care if the game end in a ling fight or muta/plague late game fight but its just sooo king fun to watch!
so count me too!!

crazeman

664 Posts

February 16 2011 04:23 GMT

#51

wow shark from hyunjoon becomes a progamer? I didn't know he became a commentator O_o

Heyoka

Katowice25012 Posts

February 16 2011 04:27 GMT

#52

This is really cool, thanks a ton for translation. My first thought was to spotlight but Mani always beats me.

looking forward to part 2!

Grobyc

Canada18410 Posts

February 16 2011 04:46 GMT

#53

I always knew the larva management was considered a 3rd resource, but I never considered overlord timing. Nice tip to pick up. Thanks for translation

Ack1027

United States7873 Posts

February 16 2011 04:49 GMT

#54

Awesome idea by shark. It's one of those ideas that once you hear about it you wonder why nobody tried it before.

Having Nal_rA or Kingdom talk about PvP would be very interesting.

Chef

10810 Posts

February 16 2011 05:07 GMT

#55

Thanks for translating this. I like ZvZ (and I like TvT too lol), but TL really needed someone with credibility to get them pumped for the finals. Lots of people disregard these matchups just because of common opinion, when that opinion is really rooted from like 8 years ago and doesn't have much to do with how the game is played now.

Sephy90

United States1785 Posts

February 16 2011 05:17 GMT

#56

Wow this is definitely amazing. Although I have always liked ZvZ I can appreciate it a lot more with all this information that I never knew. He's right haha I'll be glaring at my screen harder the next time I watch a ZvZ and this will definitely make it even more fun to watch ^_^

Thank you so much for translating this! It is very much appreciated. Actually now that I know this, my ZvZ can be improved with this information.

Superiorwolf

United States5509 Posts

February 16 2011 05:20 GMT

#57

Thanks for the translation! ZvZ was always a matchup I actually enjoyed playing a lot and was my best (although my favorite matchup was probably ZvP, and favorite to watch ZvT). I loved the tiny tiny intricacies that really could make or break a game!

IntoTheWow

is awesome32278 Posts

February 16 2011 05:32 GMT

#58

You scout with drones on big maps usually. On some maps you can determine position with the first overlord (3 player maps) or by being lucky with your first OL. On some other maps, like say, colosseum, which are pretty big you can't stay that much time guessing what he's doing (since it has no "ramp" and it's harder to defend and it's "easy" to get an expo.

So you can't really let your opponent take an expo without you taking one, but you can't also take an expo and have the risk of being overran with 9p speedlings. So if you got unlucky with OL scout, you need to drone scout. Or just blind 9 pool and force him not to expo (which could turn bad if he holds

)