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Estonia4504 Posts
On October 24 2010 11:39 TheGeo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 11:33 mustaju wrote:On October 24 2010 11:04 TheGeo wrote:
GO blizzard, and they can win this people. I do hope that BW dies =P You really are giving a bad name to SC2 players or trolls, if you aren't part of the polar SC2 anti-BW squad. What is the point of this post other than to incite hatred? To show my support of blizzards actions. I do apologies for the "I hope that BW dies" looking back to the 5 minutes ago I said I don't remember why... =? rush of the moment I guess.
I'd say you were being really counterproductive, seeing as these sorts of posts only polarise a previously pro-Blizzard fanbase.
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On October 24 2010 11:42 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 11:39 TheGeo wrote:On October 24 2010 11:33 mustaju wrote:On October 24 2010 11:04 TheGeo wrote:
GO blizzard, and they can win this people. I do hope that BW dies =P You really are giving a bad name to SC2 players or trolls, if you aren't part of the polar SC2 anti-BW squad. What is the point of this post other than to incite hatred? To show my support of blizzards actions. I do apologies for the "I hope that BW dies" looking back to the 5 minutes ago I said I don't remember why... =? rush of the moment I guess. I'd say you were being really counterproductive, seeing as these sorts of posts only polarise a previously pro-Blizzard fanbase.
I'm ok with polarization. 
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Blizzard is going to win so badly. They have the international copyright laws right behind them and korea doesn't want to be seen as going against international laws otherwise they will lose investment.
MBC try to settle early and save face.
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On October 24 2010 11:48 darmousseh wrote:
Blizzard is going to win so badly. They have the international copyright laws right behind them and korea doesn't want to be seen as going against international laws otherwise they will lose investment.
MBC try to settle early and save face.
QFT and ftw
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On October 24 2010 11:10 TheGeo wrote:
You guys think that blizzard needs korea... I doesn't. Sure, only Korea will still support BW (foolishly stuck in their ways) but SC2 does not need Korea. Sure its a nice boost, but I wouldn't even call non-Koreans foreigners in SC2. Its just like that.
Okay, we understand. You're delusional.
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On October 24 2010 11:48 darmousseh wrote:
Blizzard is going to win so badly. They have the international copyright laws right behind them and korea doesn't want to be seen as going against international laws otherwise they will lose investment.
MBC try to settle early and save face.
Actually if Blizzard wins, thousands of Koreans will lose job in this industry and high employment will rise up. This potentially means that the Korea government will take revenge (trust me Koreans have big egos against foreigners) and shut down Blizzard's operation in the country which means no more SC2 and WoW (don't actually know how many Koreans play the game). If GSL is done, then the whole "progaming" and "e-sport" is all over. When SC1 was released, nearly all Koreans started playing and went on to forge into its culture. SC2 came out, there isn't even half of the boost popularity as it was in Korea in NA/EU. Won't be enough to have people going all out for this game. Unless Blizzards invest heavily on SC2's pro scene outside of Korea. Without Korea, E-sport have been nuked.
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On October 24 2010 12:06 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 11:48 darmousseh wrote:
Blizzard is going to win so badly. They have the international copyright laws right behind them and korea doesn't want to be seen as going against international laws otherwise they will lose investment.
MBC try to settle early and save face. Actually if Blizzard wins, thousands of Koreans will lose job in this industry and high employment will rise up. This potentially means that the Korea government will take revenge (trust me Koreans have big egos against foreigners) and shut down Blizzard's operation in the country which means no more SC2 and WoW (don't actually know how many Koreans play the game). If GSL is done, then the whole "progaming" and "e-sport" is all over. When SC1 was released, nearly all Koreans started playing and went on to forge into its culture. SC2 came out, there isn't even half of the boost popularity as it was in Korea in NA/EU. Won't be enough to have people going all out for this game. Unless Blizzards invest heavily on SC2's pro scene outside of Korea. Without Korea, E-sport have been nuked.
wat. Korea will not take revenge, it does not work that way. How would they shut down Blizzard's operation?I think lot of people have misconception about South Korea. It's still a democratically elected government, and the election process is as clean as it gets, shown by the fact that two parties with very different ideal exist and compete.
Esports will ive on without KeSPA. Many koreans agree with this, and they hope KeSPA disappears because of this whole fiasco. The problem is, Blizzard is attacking the broadcasting station instead of KeSPA, which is definitely wrong approach in my opinion. They seemingly do things that seem illegal in blizzard's eyes because they rely on KeSPA to deal with the situation.
MBC and OGN is the foundation of Esports. (ok the fans are but) Without these guys, esports in SK will fail because nobody else can create anything close to the production value MBC and OGN churns out. Gomtv is not a tv station and they still have ways to go if they want to compete with MBC/OGN on an even ground, shown by the fact that they are using OGN to spread GSL's popularity.
I really hope blizzard withdraw the statement and take legal actions against KeSPA if they feel that it is really necessary, but leave my MBC/OGNs alone!
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On October 23 2010 09:26 Xiphos wrote:
I can't wait for Korea to shut down SC2 there!
GomTV is affiliated with Blizzard isn't it?
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On October 24 2010 12:25 scion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 12:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 24 2010 11:48 darmousseh wrote:
Blizzard is going to win so badly. They have the international copyright laws right behind them and korea doesn't want to be seen as going against international laws otherwise they will lose investment.
MBC try to settle early and save face. Actually if Blizzard wins, thousands of Koreans will lose job in this industry and high employment will rise up. This potentially means that the Korea government will take revenge (trust me Koreans have big egos against foreigners) and shut down Blizzard's operation in the country which means no more SC2 and WoW (don't actually know how many Koreans play the game). If GSL is done, then the whole "progaming" and "e-sport" is all over. When SC1 was released, nearly all Koreans started playing and went on to forge into its culture. SC2 came out, there isn't even half of the boost popularity as it was in Korea in NA/EU. Won't be enough to have people going all out for this game. Unless Blizzards invest heavily on SC2's pro scene outside of Korea. Without Korea, E-sport have been nuked. wat. Korea will not take revenge, it does not work that way. How would they shut down Blizzard's operation?I think lot of people have misconception about South Korea. It's still a democratically elected government, and the election process is as clean as it gets, shown by the fact that two parties with very different ideal exist and compete. Esports will ive on without KeSPA. Many koreans agree with this, and they hope KeSPA disappears because of this whole fiasco. The problem is, Blizzard is attacking the broadcasting station instead of KeSPA, which is definitely wrong approach in my opinion. They seemingly do things that seem illegal in blizzard's eyes because they rely on KeSPA to deal with the situation. MBC and OGN is the foundation of Esports. (ok the fans are but) Without these guys, esports in SK will fail because nobody else can create anything close to the production value MBC and OGN churns out. Gomtv is not a tv station and they still have ways to go if they want to compete with MBC/OGN on an even ground, shown by the fact that they are using OGN to spread GSL's popularity. I really hope blizzard withdraw the statement and take legal actions against KeSPA if they feel that it is really necessary, but leave my MBC/OGNs alone!
E-Sports will die if Blizzard wins. It will live on if they lose. Blizzard is not interested in some money compensation for using BW, they're interested in erasing BW for SC2.
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On October 24 2010 12:06 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 11:48 darmousseh wrote:
Blizzard is going to win so badly. They have the international copyright laws right behind them and korea doesn't want to be seen as going against international laws otherwise they will lose investment.
MBC try to settle early and save face. Actually if Blizzard wins, thousands of Koreans will lose job in this industry and high employment will rise up. This potentially means that the Korea government will take revenge (trust me Koreans have big egos against foreigners) and shut down Blizzard's operation in the country which means no more SC2 and WoW (don't actually know how many Koreans play the game). If GSL is done, then the whole "progaming" and "e-sport" is all over. When SC1 was released, nearly all Koreans started playing and went on to forge into its culture. SC2 came out, there isn't even half of the boost popularity as it was in Korea in NA/EU. Won't be enough to have people going all out for this game. Unless Blizzards invest heavily on SC2's pro scene outside of Korea. Without Korea, E-sport have been nuked.
Blizzard winning does not put anyone out of the job, especially if MBC decide to settle. All this does is makes it so Blizzard (Gretech) is in control of negotiations, and anyone who wants to keep their job needs to respect their rights. If anyone DOES lose their job, it's because of poor decisions by KeSPA/MBC, not Blizzard.
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why get ONG sued?
wanna more money? Blizzard?
If yes, say it loud, not be hypocrite.
Say : "I WANT MORE FUKING MONEY WHAT I JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGHT!!!!!!!!!"
YEAH; SAY IT FUKING LOUD; BLIZZARD!!!!!!! YOU SNEAKY BASTARD!!!!!!!
Edit: i wish i can say it to the chairman of blizzard face to face.
They let this happen what they should have under control since scbw league was created,
then blizzard let gretech handle that situation what makes this worse.
I know there are many people working in blizzard who do their best, but the policy and the politic of blizzard / activision did it again.
CONGRATS, YOU GREEDY RATS
Edit: Sad that every fuking problem in whole has same pattern like this case.
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On October 24 2010 12:25 scion wrote:
The problem is, Blizzard is attacking the broadcasting station instead of KeSPA, which is definitely wrong approach in my opinion.
Isn't KeSPA made from a few pro gaming teams? As far as I know, MBC and OGN (the broadcasting station you're talking about) are a part of them.
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On October 24 2010 12:28 zenMaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 12:25 scion wrote:On October 24 2010 12:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 24 2010 11:48 darmousseh wrote:
Blizzard is going to win so badly. They have the international copyright laws right behind them and korea doesn't want to be seen as going against international laws otherwise they will lose investment.
MBC try to settle early and save face. Actually if Blizzard wins, thousands of Koreans will lose job in this industry and high employment will rise up. This potentially means that the Korea government will take revenge (trust me Koreans have big egos against foreigners) and shut down Blizzard's operation in the country which means no more SC2 and WoW (don't actually know how many Koreans play the game). If GSL is done, then the whole "progaming" and "e-sport" is all over. When SC1 was released, nearly all Koreans started playing and went on to forge into its culture. SC2 came out, there isn't even half of the boost popularity as it was in Korea in NA/EU. Won't be enough to have people going all out for this game. Unless Blizzards invest heavily on SC2's pro scene outside of Korea. Without Korea, E-sport have been nuked. wat. Korea will not take revenge, it does not work that way. How would they shut down Blizzard's operation?I think lot of people have misconception about South Korea. It's still a democratically elected government, and the election process is as clean as it gets, shown by the fact that two parties with very different ideal exist and compete. Esports will ive on without KeSPA. Many koreans agree with this, and they hope KeSPA disappears because of this whole fiasco. The problem is, Blizzard is attacking the broadcasting station instead of KeSPA, which is definitely wrong approach in my opinion. They seemingly do things that seem illegal in blizzard's eyes because they rely on KeSPA to deal with the situation. MBC and OGN is the foundation of Esports. (ok the fans are but) Without these guys, esports in SK will fail because nobody else can create anything close to the production value MBC and OGN churns out. Gomtv is not a tv station and they still have ways to go if they want to compete with MBC/OGN on an even ground, shown by the fact that they are using OGN to spread GSL's popularity. I really hope blizzard withdraw the statement and take legal actions against KeSPA if they feel that it is really necessary, but leave my MBC/OGNs alone! E-Sports will die if Blizzard wins. It will live on if they lose. Blizzard is not interested in some money compensation for using BW, they're interested in erasing BW for SC2.
This just seem like fear-mongering. If you read the original interview, Blizzard only decided to step in after KeSPA decided to sell broadcasting rights to the tv stations.
Esports scene does not have that much money associated with it. There is no reason for Blizzard-Activision to actively try to take over and milk money out of it, because there isn't much money to be made from the start. People involved with esports always talks about how it is a channel for advertising, not a money raking business.
Blizzard's problem is with KeSPA's childish like attitude. KeSPA always acted as if they owned the whole business and refused to cooperate. Did you know KeSPA deleted NaDa's SC record? I don't know if there is article on TL about it but its all over Korean websites. Out of all the retired players, only NaDa's record has disappeared with such speed after the announcement of his retirement from SC1.
It has been said many times already, Blizzard tried to approach Broadcasting stations, Player teams, ect but has always been blocked by KeSPA. Leaving KeSPA alone, imo, will inhibit the global growth in eSports. Nothing will put the fire back in esports (both in SK and around the world) like what Gomtv is doing, involving the entire world into the scene in South Korea.
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On October 24 2010 12:28 zenMaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 12:25 scion wrote:On October 24 2010 12:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 24 2010 11:48 darmousseh wrote:
Blizzard is going to win so badly. They have the international copyright laws right behind them and korea doesn't want to be seen as going against international laws otherwise they will lose investment.
MBC try to settle early and save face. Actually if Blizzard wins, thousands of Koreans will lose job in this industry and high employment will rise up. This potentially means that the Korea government will take revenge (trust me Koreans have big egos against foreigners) and shut down Blizzard's operation in the country which means no more SC2 and WoW (don't actually know how many Koreans play the game). If GSL is done, then the whole "progaming" and "e-sport" is all over. When SC1 was released, nearly all Koreans started playing and went on to forge into its culture. SC2 came out, there isn't even half of the boost popularity as it was in Korea in NA/EU. Won't be enough to have people going all out for this game. Unless Blizzards invest heavily on SC2's pro scene outside of Korea. Without Korea, E-sport have been nuked. wat. Korea will not take revenge, it does not work that way. How would they shut down Blizzard's operation?I think lot of people have misconception about South Korea. It's still a democratically elected government, and the election process is as clean as it gets, shown by the fact that two parties with very different ideal exist and compete. Esports will ive on without KeSPA. Many koreans agree with this, and they hope KeSPA disappears because of this whole fiasco. The problem is, Blizzard is attacking the broadcasting station instead of KeSPA, which is definitely wrong approach in my opinion. They seemingly do things that seem illegal in blizzard's eyes because they rely on KeSPA to deal with the situation. MBC and OGN is the foundation of Esports. (ok the fans are but) Without these guys, esports in SK will fail because nobody else can create anything close to the production value MBC and OGN churns out. Gomtv is not a tv station and they still have ways to go if they want to compete with MBC/OGN on an even ground, shown by the fact that they are using OGN to spread GSL's popularity. I really hope blizzard withdraw the statement and take legal actions against KeSPA if they feel that it is really necessary, but leave my MBC/OGNs alone! E-Sports will die if Blizzard wins. It will live on if they lose. Blizzard is not interested in some money compensation for using BW, they're interested in erasing BW for SC2.
IMO, Blizzard is more concerned with its IP rights than whether BW lives or dies. IP rights is a big issue for a gaming company like Blizzard, especially in a country like Korea with its huge gaming culture. I think in a perfect world, Blizzard would like both BW and SC2 to be successful esports. That's what Blizzard has said in interviews, and I believe them. I mean, they made both games and profit from both games' success and fame. I think they're more interested in protecting their intellectual property than killing anything, but if it comes down to BW vs. their IP rights, they'll pull the trigger on BW (or at least try to). To me, it seems like Blizzard's perfect world would be healthy pro scenes for both BW and SC2 (maybe with SC2's scene a little bigger), with their IP rights intact.
Also, I'd just like to say as one of the new TeamLiquid members from SC2 that I have a tremendous respect for the BW fans. I only found out about how cool esports is with the release of SC2, while a lot of you have been around here for years. I hope you guys can continue to enjoy BW just like how I've learned to enjoy SC2. It'd be very sad if BW died over something stupid like a legal dispute.
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On October 24 2010 12:38 slimshady wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 12:25 scion wrote:
The problem is, Blizzard is attacking the broadcasting station instead of KeSPA, which is definitely wrong approach in my opinion. Isn't KeSPA made from a few pro gaming teams? As far as I know, MBC and OGN (the broadcasting station you're talking about) are a part of them.
Yea I believe so, but OGN existed before KeSPA's direct involvment in esports.
What I have problem with what blizzard is doing right now, is it may kill broodwar scene and Blizzard doesn't seem to care. Sure, shutting down OGN and MBC will be the fastest way to get KeSPA's attention, but this method seems to disregard the fact that significant chunk of esports fans still watch BW in SK.
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OGN/MBC are the member of KeSPA. If Proleague have no broadcasting issues, Blizzard have no reason to sue MBC, or later OGN. Also, it would be hard to sue KeSPA.
But the problem starts that KeSPA sell BW Proleague broadcasting rights to OGN/MBC. These broadcasting stations air the BW Proleague with approval of KeSPA, not Blizzard. They have been paying the broadcasting fee to KeSPA. So the broadcasting system is the first target.
Because OGN/MBC choose the wrong side to deal with BW broadcasting rights.
And it seems to me that fact is almost the same as suing KeSPA.
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On October 24 2010 12:53 Kishkumen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 12:28 zenMaster wrote:On October 24 2010 12:25 scion wrote:On October 24 2010 12:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 24 2010 11:48 darmousseh wrote:
Blizzard is going to win so badly. They have the international copyright laws right behind them and korea doesn't want to be seen as going against international laws otherwise they will lose investment.
MBC try to settle early and save face. Actually if Blizzard wins, thousands of Koreans will lose job in this industry and high employment will rise up. This potentially means that the Korea government will take revenge (trust me Koreans have big egos against foreigners) and shut down Blizzard's operation in the country which means no more SC2 and WoW (don't actually know how many Koreans play the game). If GSL is done, then the whole "progaming" and "e-sport" is all over. When SC1 was released, nearly all Koreans started playing and went on to forge into its culture. SC2 came out, there isn't even half of the boost popularity as it was in Korea in NA/EU. Won't be enough to have people going all out for this game. Unless Blizzards invest heavily on SC2's pro scene outside of Korea. Without Korea, E-sport have been nuked. wat. Korea will not take revenge, it does not work that way. How would they shut down Blizzard's operation?I think lot of people have misconception about South Korea. It's still a democratically elected government, and the election process is as clean as it gets, shown by the fact that two parties with very different ideal exist and compete. Esports will ive on without KeSPA. Many koreans agree with this, and they hope KeSPA disappears because of this whole fiasco. The problem is, Blizzard is attacking the broadcasting station instead of KeSPA, which is definitely wrong approach in my opinion. They seemingly do things that seem illegal in blizzard's eyes because they rely on KeSPA to deal with the situation. MBC and OGN is the foundation of Esports. (ok the fans are but) Without these guys, esports in SK will fail because nobody else can create anything close to the production value MBC and OGN churns out. Gomtv is not a tv station and they still have ways to go if they want to compete with MBC/OGN on an even ground, shown by the fact that they are using OGN to spread GSL's popularity. I really hope blizzard withdraw the statement and take legal actions against KeSPA if they feel that it is really necessary, but leave my MBC/OGNs alone! E-Sports will die if Blizzard wins. It will live on if they lose. Blizzard is not interested in some money compensation for using BW, they're interested in erasing BW for SC2. IMO, Blizzard is more concerned with its IP rights than whether BW lives or dies. IP rights is a big issue for a gaming company like Blizzard, especially in a country like Korea with its huge gaming culture. I think in a perfect world, Blizzard would like both BW and SC2 to be successful esports. That's what Blizzard has said in interviews, and I believe them. I mean, they made both games and profit from both games' success and fame. I think they're more interested in protecting their intellectual property than killing anything, but if it comes down to BW vs. their IP rights, they'll pull the trigger on BW (or at least try to). To me, it seems like Blizzard's perfect world would be healthy pro scenes for both BW and SC2 (maybe with SC2's scene a little bigger), with their IP rights intact. Also, I'd just like to say as one of the new TeamLiquid members from SC2 that I have a tremendous respect for the BW fans. I only found out about how cool esports is with the release of SC2, while a lot of you have been around here for years. I hope you guys can continue to enjoy BW just like how I've learned to enjoy SC2. It'd be very sad if BW died over something stupid like a legal dispute.
I would really love to believe Blizzard only wants to protect their IP rights, but they should have done it 10 years ago. Trying to stop proleague over IP rights when they come out with SC2 is not a sign that screams Blizzard loves BW E-Sports.
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I always hated Kespa. Until Blizzard showed up with the IP rights. At least on this matter I hope Kespa will kick Blizz ass.
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On October 24 2010 13:03 zenMaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 12:53 Kishkumen wrote:On October 24 2010 12:28 zenMaster wrote:On October 24 2010 12:25 scion wrote:On October 24 2010 12:06 Xiphos wrote:On October 24 2010 11:48 darmousseh wrote:
Blizzard is going to win so badly. They have the international copyright laws right behind them and korea doesn't want to be seen as going against international laws otherwise they will lose investment.
MBC try to settle early and save face. Actually if Blizzard wins, thousands of Koreans will lose job in this industry and high employment will rise up. This potentially means that the Korea government will take revenge (trust me Koreans have big egos against foreigners) and shut down Blizzard's operation in the country which means no more SC2 and WoW (don't actually know how many Koreans play the game). If GSL is done, then the whole "progaming" and "e-sport" is all over. When SC1 was released, nearly all Koreans started playing and went on to forge into its culture. SC2 came out, there isn't even half of the boost popularity as it was in Korea in NA/EU. Won't be enough to have people going all out for this game. Unless Blizzards invest heavily on SC2's pro scene outside of Korea. Without Korea, E-sport have been nuked. wat. Korea will not take revenge, it does not work that way. How would they shut down Blizzard's operation?I think lot of people have misconception about South Korea. It's still a democratically elected government, and the election process is as clean as it gets, shown by the fact that two parties with very different ideal exist and compete. Esports will ive on without KeSPA. Many koreans agree with this, and they hope KeSPA disappears because of this whole fiasco. The problem is, Blizzard is attacking the broadcasting station instead of KeSPA, which is definitely wrong approach in my opinion. They seemingly do things that seem illegal in blizzard's eyes because they rely on KeSPA to deal with the situation. MBC and OGN is the foundation of Esports. (ok the fans are but) Without these guys, esports in SK will fail because nobody else can create anything close to the production value MBC and OGN churns out. Gomtv is not a tv station and they still have ways to go if they want to compete with MBC/OGN on an even ground, shown by the fact that they are using OGN to spread GSL's popularity. I really hope blizzard withdraw the statement and take legal actions against KeSPA if they feel that it is really necessary, but leave my MBC/OGNs alone! E-Sports will die if Blizzard wins. It will live on if they lose. Blizzard is not interested in some money compensation for using BW, they're interested in erasing BW for SC2. IMO, Blizzard is more concerned with its IP rights than whether BW lives or dies. IP rights is a big issue for a gaming company like Blizzard, especially in a country like Korea with its huge gaming culture. I think in a perfect world, Blizzard would like both BW and SC2 to be successful esports. That's what Blizzard has said in interviews, and I believe them. I mean, they made both games and profit from both games' success and fame. I think they're more interested in protecting their intellectual property than killing anything, but if it comes down to BW vs. their IP rights, they'll pull the trigger on BW (or at least try to). To me, it seems like Blizzard's perfect world would be healthy pro scenes for both BW and SC2 (maybe with SC2's scene a little bigger), with their IP rights intact. Also, I'd just like to say as one of the new TeamLiquid members from SC2 that I have a tremendous respect for the BW fans. I only found out about how cool esports is with the release of SC2, while a lot of you have been around here for years. I hope you guys can continue to enjoy BW just like how I've learned to enjoy SC2. It'd be very sad if BW died over something stupid like a legal dispute. I would really love to believe Blizzard only wants to protect their IP rights, but they should have done it 10 years ago. Trying to stop proleague over IP rights when they come out with SC2 is not a sign that screams Blizzard loves BW E-Sports.
They didn't do it 10 years ago because they thought E-sports was cool and wanted it to develop. They only got involved in 2007 when KeSPA sold broadcasting rights to the stations. It is merely KeSPA's lack of action that the whole thing blew out of proportion with release of SC2, because they've been clearly trying to talk to KeSPA since 2007. (who ignored blizzard)
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I don't know how anyone can't realize this is only an issue because blizzard wants to cake up on sc2 as an esport and BW is a huge obstacle for that.
You've seen how blizzard runs their tourneys, do you really want a company like that calling all the shots for the future of esports?
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