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On August 02 2010 11:37 Lightningbullet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 19:58 alypse wrote:- At first, s2 told you to take care of Flash, what’s your response?
▲ Fantasy=Last year I beat Jaedong at KwangAnRi, so it’s not impossible for me to beat Flash this time. This time (I’ll) definitely take care of Flash to take the trophy. I understand why your name's Fantasy. Well, Fantasy can certainly play excellent TvT. And Flash in a slump, so It is a realistic fantasy. Don't forget, Fantasy is ranked #3.
No one truly knows in what form is Flash. But judging from his most recent form his form is pretty good. The question is, did his TvT fully recovered or not. He will need it in all three leagues.
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On August 02 2010 10:56 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 08:02 RivetHead wrote:On August 02 2010 06:54 newvsoldschool wrote:On August 02 2010 06:44 catabowl wrote:On August 01 2010 22:38 Radio.active wrote:
jesus, people are getting really angry at fantasy, i for one am looking forward to the finals as fantasy leads the charge against kt, to be honest i don't care who wins the finals so long as i get to see a flash vs fantasy ace match. Haters will hate and trollers will troll. Being "hated" by someone in the realm of sports is the ultimate compliment. It means you have achieved something. You don't see people hating the Kansas City Royals or the Memphis Grizzlies, or the Detroit Lions... (outside of normal rivalaries of course) You see people hate on the Yankees, the Lakers, and the Patriots. When people are jealous of success, they have only one means of an attack. Seriously, did anyone else think Tim Tebow got way more criticism than anyone else in this past football draft? SKT1 has done something and is constantly winning and always in the running for a championship. That's why they draw a lot of hate on their players. Oh yeah, and Fantasy pwnd that Jaedong in PL last year. "Cheese" builds are defined poorly. 2 rax opening is hardly all-in cheese. Just like 2 hatch Muta isn't a an all-in cheese. What's all-in cheese? 4 pool, 5 rax, 2 gate proxy. Those... are all-in cheeses. people hate fantasy because he's just iloveoov's puppet. We know iloveoov is the mind behind fantasy's builds. Without his builds, he's just another macro robot. And I wouldn't give T1 a whole lot of credit for winning proleague's last season. They purchased Bisu and MBC's coach from their former teams, making them what they are now. It's hard to imagine Best and Fantasy muscling their way through PL without MBC's brilliant coach and Bisu. You should quit playing terran since you are such a hater of one of the best to ever play the game. Flash and Fantasy are the best terrans, talent and skillwise, this game has ever seen. All the great builds in the world don't mean jack if you don't have the skills to execute them. And its obvious Fantasy is not Oov or boxer's puppet, because I have seen him do things they simply couldn't ever do. He has won tons of seemingly lost games by having to come up with his own answer to the situation his enemy presents to him. Someone who wins with preperation and builds only doesn't win lost games, they lose won games. fantasy is a shit and overrated player who wins only with preparation and builds. if you present to him an unusual situation, he loses, just like he did vs jaedong 4pool and killer on outsider, and nearly lost to a 4pool from action when he wins seemingly lost games it's only because those people make retarded mistakes like kal did yesterday
Then how do you explain his phenomenal performance in the Winner League? O_o
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Thanks for the translation, looking forward to the Final!
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the least disputable thing about skt is the coach. he does a good job and is cool and i respect him. but i still don't know why he keeps sending zergs....
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On August 02 2010 15:20 TheNessman wrote:
the least disputable thing about skt is the coach. he does a good job and is cool and i respect him. but i still don't know why he keeps sending zergs....
Because Mong<Zergs and Boxer sucks nowadays. Who else?
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On August 02 2010 10:56 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 08:02 RivetHead wrote:On August 02 2010 06:54 newvsoldschool wrote:On August 02 2010 06:44 catabowl wrote:On August 01 2010 22:38 Radio.active wrote:
jesus, people are getting really angry at fantasy, i for one am looking forward to the finals as fantasy leads the charge against kt, to be honest i don't care who wins the finals so long as i get to see a flash vs fantasy ace match. Haters will hate and trollers will troll. Being "hated" by someone in the realm of sports is the ultimate compliment. It means you have achieved something. You don't see people hating the Kansas City Royals or the Memphis Grizzlies, or the Detroit Lions... (outside of normal rivalaries of course) You see people hate on the Yankees, the Lakers, and the Patriots. When people are jealous of success, they have only one means of an attack. Seriously, did anyone else think Tim Tebow got way more criticism than anyone else in this past football draft? SKT1 has done something and is constantly winning and always in the running for a championship. That's why they draw a lot of hate on their players. Oh yeah, and Fantasy pwnd that Jaedong in PL last year. "Cheese" builds are defined poorly. 2 rax opening is hardly all-in cheese. Just like 2 hatch Muta isn't a an all-in cheese. What's all-in cheese? 4 pool, 5 rax, 2 gate proxy. Those... are all-in cheeses. people hate fantasy because he's just iloveoov's puppet. We know iloveoov is the mind behind fantasy's builds. Without his builds, he's just another macro robot. And I wouldn't give T1 a whole lot of credit for winning proleague's last season. They purchased Bisu and MBC's coach from their former teams, making them what they are now. It's hard to imagine Best and Fantasy muscling their way through PL without MBC's brilliant coach and Bisu. You should quit playing terran since you are such a hater of one of the best to ever play the game. Flash and Fantasy are the best terrans, talent and skillwise, this game has ever seen. All the great builds in the world don't mean jack if you don't have the skills to execute them. And its obvious Fantasy is not Oov or boxer's puppet, because I have seen him do things they simply couldn't ever do. He has won tons of seemingly lost games by having to come up with his own answer to the situation his enemy presents to him. Someone who wins with preperation and builds only doesn't win lost games, they lose won games. fantasy is a shit and overrated player who wins only with preparation and builds. if you present to him an unusual situation, he loses, just like he did vs jaedong 4pool and killer on outsider, and nearly lost to a 4pool from action when he wins seemingly lost games it's only because those people make retarded mistakes like kal did yesterday
I don't know how you can say Fantasy is only build and preparation when clearly he has great micro, macro, multitasking, game sense, etc.
And I don't like when people use the generic word "build" as if everything a progamer does in his build order is according to some predetermined plan.
Its pretty safe to say that at times you would have to modify or completely change the build order in response to what the enemy is doing or else you will end up losing more often than not. But responding correctly to any situation that may happen, and balancing defense, offense, economy,etc. is easier said than done.
At a certain point, the game is fluid and the gamer has to rely on his own skills.
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On August 02 2010 08:02 RivetHead wrote:
You should quit playing terran since you are such a hater of one of the best to ever play the game. Flash and Fantasy are the best terrans, talent and skillwise, this game has ever seen. All the great builds in the world don't mean jack if you don't have the skills to execute them.
And its obvious Fantasy is not Oov or boxer's puppet, because I have seen him do things they simply couldn't ever do. He has won tons of seemingly lost games by having to come up with his own answer to the situation his enemy presents to him. Someone who wins with preperation and builds only doesn't win lost games, they lose won games.
So, so true.
100% agreed.
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On August 02 2010 10:56 saltywet wrote:
fantasy is a shit and overrated player who wins only with preparation and builds. if you present to him an unusual situation, he loses, just like he did vs jaedong 4pool and killer on outsider, and nearly lost to a 4pool from action
Are you really arguing the player who's been the second best performer Terran in the world for such a long time is a "shit and overrated" player? This is just ridiculous.
Fantasy is a fantastic player. His TvPs are absolutely brilliant (while amazingly fun to watch) most of the time, his TvT is excellent and he's bringing fresh new TvZ builds like all the time, regularly beating top-5 Zergs with them (granted, Oov and Boxer do help, but he's the one taking the risk to execute them at the highest level possible--that does require tons of skills).
Plus he looks/sounds like a really nice guy!
How can you even dislike such a player is completely beyond me.
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interestingly, forgg is 5-0 vs bisu
stats can take out anyone easily except perhaps fantasy
tempest is pretty underrated and should fare well against anyone except zerg
but yeah, i have a feeling we'll see KTFlash again because KT wont be lucky enough to get snipes on FBB
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On August 02 2010 18:38 saltywet wrote:interestingly, forgg is 5-0 vs bisu stats can take out anyone easily except perhaps fantasy tempest is pretty underrated and should fare well against anyone except zerg but yeah, i have a feeling we'll see KTFlash again because KT wont be lucky enough to get snipes on FBB
Bisu better not disappoint then .. lol
this is his chance to redeem himself
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lol... it's been 5 years since their last finals meeting? Damn... that's half of pro bw history ~_~.
Fantasy haters are the easiest noob radar ques imo. I just start ignoring opinions who dislike Fantasy cuz... well.. how can you take skillless noobs srsly right? srsly!
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Fantasy bringing the goods, s2 gets his revenge and Canata is clutch yet again. SKT1 is in good shape, but they'll meet their hardest challenge yet. KT Rolster can ordinarily go toe to toe with SKT1, but now with the first having been rested and the second having been tired out, I think that KT has the advantage.
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Sanya12364 Posts
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We're all going to the beach!!!! YEAAAAAAAAAH!!!
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Haha who else thinks Canata is being a little tinkerbell fairy gay guy in that picture where they're pointing? SKT Fighting!
Thanks for the translation and interview
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On August 02 2010 10:56 saltywet wrote:
fantasy is a shit and overrated player who wins only with preparation and builds. if you present to him an unusual situation, he loses, just like he did vs jaedong 4pool and killer on outsider, and nearly lost to a 4pool from action
when he wins seemingly lost games it's only because those people make retarded mistakes like kal did yesterday
I'm just currious how you haters will explain fantasy's tank transition against Jeadong in SPL final. It couldnt be build made by anyone than him, as his first timing attack failed, so that was not orriginal plan. Yet, this late game tank transition totally turned the card in TvZ late game, and it was invented by HIM, not BOXER, not OOV, not even FLASH (however he made it popular after his play against Calm).
Your "stupid mistakes" are in more than 60% in TvT and TvP and in many TvZ games. He got with your "flukes", "gimmicks", "stupid opponent mistakes" into 2 OSL finals (lost both after a close 3-2 series) and 1 semifinal, plays regulary in OSL ro16, WAS A CORE AND PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT SKT PLAYER IN THIS SPL SEASON (bisu and Best play was for long horrible), get to the MSL ro8 and was a hero in last SPL final.
And what is your argument about him being shit player? 4-pool of so-beloved-I-dont-even-know-why Action, that he won? Action haven't beaten him in tv games yet. Even once.
And if you ask me, HITE's best player, Leta, while exelent to watch and a bit underrated player, is more 'gimmicky' than Fantasy
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Fantasy cannot be Boxer and Oov's lapdog, for whatever reason he has so much trouble with TvZ early game. Considering Oov and Boxer were excellent at those matchups it's hard to justify considering him like that. Besides Fantasy has better TvP sense than both of them ever had, even if Oov's TvP was competent.
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Man, I was about to quote this line: "I’ll make sure KT’s nightmare of being the runner-ups will continue" as some badass trash-talking but apparently it's one of the examples of the pitfalls of multiple translations.
And I can't but shake my head at the Fantasy hate from some posters in this thread. How blinded by emotion can you guys be when you can't even realize that basic evidence refutes the arguments you're trying to put forward?
One interesting thing for the SKT bench-warmers this playoffs is that two of the benchwarmers from last year's playoffs, s2 and soo have risen up to become players. So a sign of opportunity for them.
It's also terribly anticlimactic if it's always the team seeded into the finals that wins. Of course I'm a bit biased, but it'd cap a truly nice playoff run for the team that climbed up from the BOTTOM of playoff rounds to take the complete championships.
I still think it's kind of weird that the finals is only one day when the previous rounds are two or three, but whatever. No second chances.
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Roffles
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Soo hasn't done anything besides lose.
KT does have some good players. I think many are counting out ForGG, Violet, and Stats. Those are legitimately good players. Beyond that though, KT is pretty trash.
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On August 03 2010 11:48 Roffles wrote:
Soo hasn't done anything besides lose.
KT does have some good players. I think many are counting out ForGG, Violet, and Stats. Those are legitimately good players. Beyond that though, KT is pretty trash.
Fun fact. If Soo didn't win that game against Light, Light would have had a 21 winning streak against Zerg.
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