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KameZerg
Sweden1767 Posts
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
On August 01 2010 22:38 Radio.active wrote: jesus, people are getting really angry at fantasy, i for one am looking forward to the finals as fantasy leads the charge against kt, to be honest i don't care who wins the finals so long as i get to see a flash vs fantasy ace match. Haters will hate and trollers will troll. Being "hated" by someone in the realm of sports is the ultimate compliment. It means you have achieved something. You don't see people hating the Kansas City Royals or the Memphis Grizzlies, or the Detroit Lions... (outside of normal rivalaries of course) You see people hate on the Yankees, the Lakers, and the Patriots. When people are jealous of success, they have only one means of an attack. Seriously, did anyone else think Tim Tebow got way more criticism than anyone else in this past football draft? SKT1 has done something and is constantly winning and always in the running for a championship. That's why they draw a lot of hate on their players. Oh yeah, and Fantasy pwnd that Jaedong in PL last year. "Cheese" builds are defined poorly. 2 rax opening is hardly all-in cheese. Just like 2 hatch Muta isn't a an all-in cheese. What's all-in cheese? 4 pool, 5 rax, 2 gate proxy. Those... are all-in cheeses. | ||
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newvsoldschool
428 Posts
On August 02 2010 06:44 catabowl wrote: Haters will hate and trollers will troll. Being "hated" by someone in the realm of sports is the ultimate compliment. It means you have achieved something. You don't see people hating the Kansas City Royals or the Memphis Grizzlies, or the Detroit Lions... (outside of normal rivalaries of course) You see people hate on the Yankees, the Lakers, and the Patriots. When people are jealous of success, they have only one means of an attack. Seriously, did anyone else think Tim Tebow got way more criticism than anyone else in this past football draft? SKT1 has done something and is constantly winning and always in the running for a championship. That's why they draw a lot of hate on their players. Oh yeah, and Fantasy pwnd that Jaedong in PL last year. "Cheese" builds are defined poorly. 2 rax opening is hardly all-in cheese. Just like 2 hatch Muta isn't a an all-in cheese. What's all-in cheese? 4 pool, 5 rax, 2 gate proxy. Those... are all-in cheeses. people hate fantasy because he's just iloveoov's puppet. We know iloveoov is the mind behind fantasy's builds. Without his builds, he's just another macro robot. And I wouldn't give T1 a whole lot of credit for winning proleague's last season. They purchased Bisu and MBC's coach from their former teams, making them what they are now. It's hard to imagine Best and Fantasy muscling their way through PL without MBC's brilliant coach and Bisu. | ||
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PineappleLumpsToss
New Zealand2434 Posts
On August 01 2010 20:03 Lightwip wrote: Canata needs that boost in confidence more than anyone else. He can potentially surpass the SKTZergs for a spot in their lineup, not to mention fill in when someone on SKT starts sucking. I wouldn't want to say WHY SEND CANATA and have him lose every time they decide to give him a chance. He still seemed a bit suicidal in the post-match interview. That being said, Best and Bisu sure are being stars of playoffs. But Canata gave them some critical wins, which is not really expected of a fairly average terran compared to an amazing protoss duo. Well said. For me it's clearly Coach Park trying to give Canata a bit of a boost. Having said that, Canata has come in and won some key games over the playoffs when he wasn't necessarily expected to. I think FBB have performed as you'd expect given their ability, but I've personally been impressed with the ability of Fanta and Bisu to mentally purge losses in a round and then go on and win the Ace match. Right now I would always opt for Canata ahead of Hyuk. I just don't think Hyuk has done enough (recently) to warrant playing. | ||
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
On August 02 2010 06:54 newvsoldschool wrote: people hate fantasy because he's just iloveoov's puppet. We know iloveoov is the mind behind fantasy's builds. Without his builds, he's just another macro robot. And I wouldn't give T1 a whole lot of credit for winning proleague's last season. They purchased Bisu and MBC's coach from their former teams, making them what they are now. It's hard to imagine Best and Fantasy muscling their way through PL without MBC's brilliant coach and Bisu. You should quit playing terran since you are such a hater of one of the best to ever play the game. Flash and Fantasy are the best terrans, talent and skillwise, this game has ever seen. All the great builds in the world don't mean jack if you don't have the skills to execute them. And its obvious Fantasy is not Oov or boxer's puppet, because I have seen him do things they simply couldn't ever do. He has won tons of seemingly lost games by having to come up with his own answer to the situation his enemy presents to him. Someone who wins with preperation and builds only doesn't win lost games, they lose won games. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 02 2010 06:54 newvsoldschool wrote: people hate fantasy because he's just iloveoov's puppet. We know iloveoov is the mind behind fantasy's builds. Without his builds, he's just another macro robot. If Fantasy were just "iloveoov's puppet", then Mong would be the next bonjwa, and Canata would be winning starleagues already. He's not the only Terran that gets oov/boxer's guidance--something sets him apart from everyone else. | ||
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Ideas
United States8161 Posts
On August 02 2010 08:02 RivetHead wrote: You should quit playing terran since you are such a hater of one of the best to ever play the game. Flash and Fantasy are the best terrans, talent and skillwise, this game has ever seen. All the great builds in the world don't mean jack if you don't have the skills to execute them. And its obvious Fantasy is not Oov or boxer's puppet, because I have seen him do things they simply couldn't ever do. He has won tons of seemingly lost games by having to come up with his own answer to the situation his enemy presents to him. Someone who wins with preperation and builds only doesn't win lost games, they lose won games. qft if fantasy was just a mindless macro-bot with builds from oov and boxer, why arent all SKT1 terrans as good as him? | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On August 02 2010 06:54 newvsoldschool wrote: people hate fantasy because he's just iloveoov's puppet. Oh please. If someone making builds for you makes you their puppet, then is Jaedong the puppet of neeL, who makes a lot of his builds? Or Nada the puppet of SoulKey? Or Bisu of Daezang+Nal_ra? No. Some people can make brilliant builds without having any ability to carry them out. That's why someone more mechanically capable does it for them. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 02 2010 09:00 Lightwip wrote: Oh please. If someone making builds for you makes you their puppet, then is Jaedong the puppet of neeL, who makes a lot of his builds? Or Nada the puppet of SoulKey? Or Bisu of Daezang+Nal_ra? No. Some people can make brilliant builds without having any ability to carry them out. That's why someone more mechanically capable does it for them. Pretty sure that Iloveoov can still mechanically capable of doing those builds. | ||
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vishrut
United States567 Posts
best has awesome pvt decent pvp fantasy has good tvp and decent tvt bisu has good pvp and pvz so kt pretty much cant send a protoss cuz all of skt aces are good vp they dont have a decent zerg so flash is probably gonna be ace have to see what skt decides to do | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On August 02 2010 09:24 vishrut wrote: if it comes to ace, there is gonna be some epic mind games best has awesome pvt decent pvp fantasy has good tvp and decent tvt bisu has good pvp and pvz so kt pretty much cant send a protoss cuz all of skt aces are good vp they dont have a decent zerg so flash is probably gonna be ace have to see what skt decides to do lol, there is no way KT would've risked sending anybody other than Flash ace in some dumb snipe attempt | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On August 02 2010 09:52 Kyuukyuu wrote: lol, there is no way KT would've risked sending anybody other than Flash ace in some dumb snipe attempt That's actually a huge advantage that SKT has over KT. SKT knows they will face Flash in the ace match while Flash will have to prepare against Fantasy (most likely choice for the ace) but also Best and Bisu. | ||
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GhoSt[shield]
Canada2131 Posts
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Prototype
Sweden56 Posts
On August 02 2010 08 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 02 2010 08 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:39 Ideas wrote: qft if fantasy was just a mindless macro-bot with builds from oov and boxer, why arent all SKT1 terrans as good as him? And why don't they all play with the same style? Fantasy is the prodigy of Oov, but that does not mean he does not himself contribute to the development and direction of the strategies that he employs on a daily basis. His vulture play is entirely his, for instance - neither of the bonjwas had that kind of play style - and surely at least some of the (many) recent refinements and innovations to mech play were of his own hand. Either way, Fantasy is one of the best players in the world right now. He has earned his praise, and animosity, and for that he can be proud. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
1. MnM into banking tank into rolling hive tech Zerg. He was the first amongst the modern terrans to do it and many Terrans, especially Flash followed suit. 2. Early bio into mid game mech, mixture of both bio and mech units. He stated in an interview that this build was his own. He was the first to do it and Flash probably profited more from it than Fantasy did. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On August 02 2010 08:02 RivetHead wrote: You should quit playing terran since you are such a hater of one of the best to ever play the game. Flash and Fantasy are the best terrans, talent and skillwise, this game has ever seen. All the great builds in the world don't mean jack if you don't have the skills to execute them. And its obvious Fantasy is not Oov or boxer's puppet, because I have seen him do things they simply couldn't ever do. He has won tons of seemingly lost games by having to come up with his own answer to the situation his enemy presents to him. Someone who wins with preperation and builds only doesn't win lost games, they lose won games. fantasy is a shit and overrated player who wins only with preparation and builds. if you present to him an unusual situation, he loses, just like he did vs jaedong 4pool and killer on outsider, and nearly lost to a 4pool from action when he wins seemingly lost games it's only because those people make retarded mistakes like kal did yesterday | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On August 02 2010 09:52 Kyuukyuu wrote: lol, there is no way KT would've risked sending anybody other than Flash ace in some dumb snipe attempt Indeed Flash has the advantage over anyone on the scene right now | ||
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Lightningbullet
United States507 Posts
Well, Fantasy can certainly play excellent TvT. And Flash in a slump, so It is a realistic fantasy. Don't forget, Fantasy is ranked #3. | ||
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