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On July 20 2010 22:58 7mk wrote:
I agree that SKT fans are way too harsh on Fantasy.
On July 20 2010 22:20 Megalisk wrote:
I dislike how everyone is all over bisu, only cheering for him when Fantasy is the heart of the team who has contributed way more (and is the successor to boxer/oov). People get so pissed off when they see fantasy instead of bisu, people should <3 all the players of their team!
What?? It's hard to believe there's SKT fans who dislikes Fantasy. I'm SKT fan and I love them both.
Bisu has done a lot for SKT too, have you followed the play-offs? 
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Maybe poeple are saying bad things about SKT fans becouse there are many who hate Bisu fanboys for some reason. Those are mostly JD-fanboys or CJ-fans tho so who cares. Everyone just should let others root for their players/teams in peace.
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On July 21 2010 00:14 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 23:58 disciple wrote:
CJ fans are the worst 'OMG homegrown talent, Movie next big thing, OMG effort homegrown talent, neo savior, must be at least as good as jaedong and flash, heavy favorite against Bisu' etc. etc.
But we are almost as bad. come on, we all know that effort is a terrible player + Show Spoiler +now youre just making things up with "heavy favourite vs bisu" and "at least as good as jd and flash" because noone said those things but hey whatever tickles your fancy. Let your imagination run wild
jesus, people even started talking that effort has a legacy, I'm not making things up. The week after the OSL finals was the week with the most outrageous fanboysh statements since Bisu won his 3rd msl haha
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CJ fans are the worst, they overestimate efforts abilities so damn much. Hes a great player but just not as good as CJ fans make him out to be.
SKT fans and Oz fans follow close behind ofc
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i got to know about starcraft during the stork-jaedong ever osl final in 2007 and as i played protoss stork was my favorite player
then i got to know about bisu, how he dominated savior and so on. his play is so awesome if hes not slumping, hes the fastest player and additionally hes looking good.
when he went to skt i became skt fan because i also like boxer a lot. canata is also a nice person and how can you not love their zerg line
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On July 21 2010 00:42 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 00:14 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 23:58 disciple wrote:
CJ fans are the worst 'OMG homegrown talent, Movie next big thing, OMG effort homegrown talent, neo savior, must be at least as good as jaedong and flash, heavy favorite against Bisu' etc. etc.
But we are almost as bad. come on, we all know that effort is a terrible player + Show Spoiler +now youre just making things up with "heavy favourite vs bisu" and "at least as good as jd and flash" because noone said those things but hey whatever tickles your fancy. Let your imagination run wild jesus, people even started talking that effort has a legacy, I'm not making things up
If you're not making it up then go back to the thread and quote someone who said that effort was a heavy favourite vs bisu.
I just remember some bulgarian dude who said that bisu wasn't just the favourite but that effort had absolutely 0% chance of winning vs bisu at all. Now that's fanboyism at its best.
People talked about effort and his role in savior's "legacy". Big deal, people like to throw around big words. People did the same once for Canata. Freaking Canata.
And since you mention the finals, I remember that the large majority of CJ supporters still said that Flash was the better overall player.
I didnt see anyone complaining about effort being behind JD and Flash in the power rank either.
On July 21 2010 00:35 Piste wrote: Everyone just should let others root for their players/teams in peace.
qft
PS @OP its SKT/SKT T1, not SKT1
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My love for programing is:
Boxer -> T1 -> Oov -> Bisu/Fantasy/Best
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On July 21 2010 00:51 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 00:42 disciple wrote:On July 21 2010 00:14 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 23:58 disciple wrote:
CJ fans are the worst 'OMG homegrown talent, Movie next big thing, OMG effort homegrown talent, neo savior, must be at least as good as jaedong and flash, heavy favorite against Bisu' etc. etc.
But we are almost as bad. come on, we all know that effort is a terrible player + Show Spoiler +now youre just making things up with "heavy favourite vs bisu" and "at least as good as jd and flash" because noone said those things but hey whatever tickles your fancy. Let your imagination run wild jesus, people even started talking that effort has a legacy, I'm not making things up If you're not making it up then go back to the thread and quote someone who said that effort was a heavy favourite vs bisu. I just remember some bulgarian dude who said that bisu wasn't just the favourite but that effort had absolutely 0% chance of winning vs bisu at all. Now that's fanboyism at its best. People talked about effort and his role in savior's "legacy". Big deal, people like to throw around big words. People did the same once for Canata. Freaking Canata. And since you mention the finals, I remember that the large majority of CJ supporters still said that Flash was the better overall player.
Listen, I know being a fan is a clearly subjective thing, and I'm not going to convince you, your guys is bad. I like Bisu for a whole set of reasons, I'm sure its the same with you and EffOrt. You suffered a lot because of what savior did and EffOrt's fairy tale win over Flash came just in time for all CJ fans. The fact of the matter is, that EffOrt always had great stats across the board, but never quite managed to show his potential in the individual leagues. The OSL he won was quite simply his first deep run in any of the leagues for his 2 years of progaming career, as far as I can remember his other best achievement was a Ro16 in the MSL or smth like that.
There is another player with awesome stats all around, who won the best rookie title back in the day as well - Sea. What separates both is that one OSL, it makes a big difference, but saying that EffOrt has "nothing to prove" and has established himself as one of the very best progamers of his generation is way too much. It really is. The second one is always the hardest to win and only time will tell if EffOrt can walk the way again. But if you want to stick to statistics, EffOrt has only one starleague, and the players you are already comparing him with have triple or five times as much
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Guys, Bisu is the sexiest beast on earth and Effort has alien eyes.
Do we still need to argue further? I mean seriously ...
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On July 21 2010 01:04 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 00:51 7mk wrote:On July 21 2010 00:42 disciple wrote:On July 21 2010 00:14 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 23:58 disciple wrote:
CJ fans are the worst 'OMG homegrown talent, Movie next big thing, OMG effort homegrown talent, neo savior, must be at least as good as jaedong and flash, heavy favorite against Bisu' etc. etc.
But we are almost as bad. come on, we all know that effort is a terrible player + Show Spoiler +now youre just making things up with "heavy favourite vs bisu" and "at least as good as jd and flash" because noone said those things but hey whatever tickles your fancy. Let your imagination run wild jesus, people even started talking that effort has a legacy, I'm not making things up If you're not making it up then go back to the thread and quote someone who said that effort was a heavy favourite vs bisu. I just remember some bulgarian dude who said that bisu wasn't just the favourite but that effort had absolutely 0% chance of winning vs bisu at all. Now that's fanboyism at its best. People talked about effort and his role in savior's "legacy". Big deal, people like to throw around big words. People did the same once for Canata. Freaking Canata. And since you mention the finals, I remember that the large majority of CJ supporters still said that Flash was the better overall player. Listen, I know being a fan is a clearly subjective thing, and I'm not going to convince you, your guys is bad. I like Bisu for a whole set of reasons, I'm sure its the same with you and EffOrt. You suffered a lot because of what savior did and EffOrt's fairy tale win over Flash came just in time for all CJ fans. The fact of the matter is, that EffOrt always had great stats across the board, but never quite managed to show his potential in the individual leagues. The OSL he won was quite simply his first deep run in any of the leagues for his 2 years of progaming career, as far as I can remember his other best achievement was a Ro16 in the MSL or smth like that. There is another player with awesome stats all around, who won the best rookie title back in the day as well - Sea. What separates both is that one OSL, it makes a big difference, but saying that EffOrt has "nothing to prove" and has established himself as one of the very best progamers of his generation is way too much. It really is. The second one is always the hardest to win and only time will tell if EffOrt can walk the way again. But if you want to stick to statistics, EffOrt has only one starleague, and the players you are comparing him with have triple or five times as much
You make it sound like Effort had been around forever, comparing him to someone like Sea, who has been around 2,5 years longer than him.
Why do you keep on mentioning JD vs Flash? The only reason I started comparing them was because you started doing that. Again, I never said that Flash and Jaedong aren't better. They are better than him. Bisu is all of a sudden performing again. Who knows, he might skillwise already be better than effort, we cannot say for sure.
What I do know for sure is that he most certainly does not have a 100% chance of winning against Effort. So when an SKT fan does the most outrageous fanboy comment anyone could make (Yes, worse than SuperArc,as hard as that is) at the same time badmouths CJ fans about how biased and stupid we are and how bad our players are,just after we lost a close series, making sure to rub it in while continuously dodging whenever I make a logical counterargument to your unreasonable claims (referring to the old thread here), then that's just frustrating.
Btw. just out of curiosity, who do you think is better than Effort atm, other than JD Flash and Bisu?
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I've never liked SKT, and I've never liked Bisu. I've never liked Flash, either, for that matter.
But when Bisu and Flash keep losing, I don't "not like" them anymore. Then, I just feel sad for them. I like it that Bisu is winning again. Flash should too.
Go Jaedong.
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lol how many ppl are rooting for OZ because of Lee Jaedong? rolf
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On July 21 2010 01:24 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 01:04 disciple wrote:On July 21 2010 00:51 7mk wrote:On July 21 2010 00:42 disciple wrote:On July 21 2010 00:14 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 23:58 disciple wrote:
CJ fans are the worst 'OMG homegrown talent, Movie next big thing, OMG effort homegrown talent, neo savior, must be at least as good as jaedong and flash, heavy favorite against Bisu' etc. etc.
But we are almost as bad. come on, we all know that effort is a terrible player + Show Spoiler +now youre just making things up with "heavy favourite vs bisu" and "at least as good as jd and flash" because noone said those things but hey whatever tickles your fancy. Let your imagination run wild jesus, people even started talking that effort has a legacy, I'm not making things up If you're not making it up then go back to the thread and quote someone who said that effort was a heavy favourite vs bisu. I just remember some bulgarian dude who said that bisu wasn't just the favourite but that effort had absolutely 0% chance of winning vs bisu at all. Now that's fanboyism at its best. People talked about effort and his role in savior's "legacy". Big deal, people like to throw around big words. People did the same once for Canata. Freaking Canata. And since you mention the finals, I remember that the large majority of CJ supporters still said that Flash was the better overall player. Listen, I know being a fan is a clearly subjective thing, and I'm not going to convince you, your guys is bad. I like Bisu for a whole set of reasons, I'm sure its the same with you and EffOrt. You suffered a lot because of what savior did and EffOrt's fairy tale win over Flash came just in time for all CJ fans. The fact of the matter is, that EffOrt always had great stats across the board, but never quite managed to show his potential in the individual leagues. The OSL he won was quite simply his first deep run in any of the leagues for his 2 years of progaming career, as far as I can remember his other best achievement was a Ro16 in the MSL or smth like that. There is another player with awesome stats all around, who won the best rookie title back in the day as well - Sea. What separates both is that one OSL, it makes a big difference, but saying that EffOrt has "nothing to prove" and has established himself as one of the very best progamers of his generation is way too much. It really is. The second one is always the hardest to win and only time will tell if EffOrt can walk the way again. But if you want to stick to statistics, EffOrt has only one starleague, and the players you are comparing him with have triple or five times as much You make it sound like Effort had been around forever, comparing him to someone like Sea, who has been around 2,5 years longer than him. Why do you keep on mentioning JD vs Flash? The only reason I started comparing them was because you started doing that. Again, I never said that Flash and Jaedong aren't better. They are better than him. Bisu is all of a sudden performing again. Who knows, he might skillwise already be better than effort, we cannot say for sure. What I do know for sure is that he most certainly does not have a 100% chance of winning against Effort. So when an SKT fan does the most outrageous fanboy comment anyone could make (Yes, worse than SuperArc,as hard as that is) at the same time badmouths CJ fans about how biased and stupid we are and how bad our players are,just after we lost a close series, making sure to rub it in while continuously dodging whenever I make a logical counterargument to your unreasonable claims (referring to the old thread here), then that's just frustrating. Btw. just out of curiosity, who do you think is better than Effort atm, other than JD Flash and Bisu?
lol I never said CJ's players are bad, my words were that your team is lacking the confident ace player to deliver in a do-or-die situation. The depth is there, thats for sure, but last year's match vs OZ and now again vs SKT. If you really have that final boss type of player on your team, with 70% or so winrate in ZvP why not play him on a map thats statistically is just slightly in favor of toss? Your coach picked a rookie instead, with no experience whatsoever in such a situation, and while this was purely a managerial decision one may wonder what was the reason for it. Snow played really well to make the game as close as it was but still... And aside from Bisu Jaedong and Flash, which are in a class of their own, fantasy was better than Effort on day 2. Its certainly not enough to make a general statement but EffOrt had it all in his hand, didnt he ?
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skt fans are the sones of bw
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yes sorry I should have used singular, you were not the one saying how CJs depth was laughable, that was someone else.
We dont know what exactly Cho's reason were but he's well known for making unusual ace decisions, only that in the past they have pretty much always worked.
Effort certainly dropped the ball vs fantasy but otherwise you really cant say a lot of bad things about his ace performances, you mention Oz, but that was against Jaedong and I cant blame him for that. Right before that he had a double win in Ace match and Super Ace match vs Samsung Khan if I remember correctly. People were already bitching about how CJ was a one-man-team.
Eiither way, if you had worded yourself every time like you did in this last post I have no doubt that we wouldn't have had any problems at all.
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Although I'm a KT fan, I really like SKT, especially for Boxer. I remember back in the days when he was at his peak triple bunker rushing Yellow for OGN title etc. Him and iloveoov and his macro dun dun style which in my opinion changed the way SC was played. Also from the not so distant days we have Bisu who revolutionized PvZ matchup and Fantasy with his trademark mech TvZ.
I guess I like SKT players mainly for the creativity they bring to SC scene.
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skt fans don't bother me, bisu fanboys do
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I like how Fantasy literally bulldozed SKT to a championship over a top-form Jaedong and yet he gets shit from his own "fans". It's hilariously awful.
Oh yeah, and SKT fans are basically Yankee fans - loud, obnoxious, generally uninformed, and pay no attention to the current state of the game or their favorite players. It hurts that some of my favorite players are SK-aligned because their fans are generally insufferable and never, ever shut up about their team/players, even when the topic has nothing to do with them.
It's also annoying how many SK fans don't seem to know anything about any other teams or players. I get that you like Boxer and Bisu. I really do! Thanks for telling me, 500 times a day, in every thread!
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On July 21 2010 02:02 tedster wrote:
I like how Fantasy literally bulldozed SKT to a championship over a top-form Jaedong and yet he gets shit from his own "fans". It's hilariously awful.
Oh yeah, and SKT fans are basically Yankee fans - loud, obnoxious, generally uninformed, and pay no attention to the current state of the game or their favorite players. It hurts that some of my favorite players are SK-aligned because their fans are generally insufferable and never, ever shut up about their team/players, even when the topic has nothing to do with them.
It's also annoying how many SK fans don't seem to know anything about any other teams or players. I get that you like Boxer and Bisu. I really do! Thanks for telling me, 500 times a day, in every thread!
great analogy - i'd extend it and put Bisu as Jeter and Fantasy as A-Rod
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On July 20 2010 22:17 SkyLegenD wrote:
SKT1 is arguably the most successful progaming team, sponsored by the one of the largest SK companies, with the most awards, legendary players, and history than any of the other 11.
Basically, I would like to know your guys' opinions on SKT fans. Do you they're just frontrunners, like Yankees fans not from NY or Lakers fans but from LA?
Btw, my reason of being an SKT1 fan because of Bisu. I see a lot of people here share my love for him.
Yeah, Bisu is one of the main reasons why I'm SKT fan. I also love their practise place <33
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I got into the progaming scene when i found VODs of Bisu, and i really loves his play style. Then when i learned about SPL, i found that Bisu was on SKT1 (and i also liked Boxer at that time too, so it was a double like). I never found out how successful SKT1 was until the hype threads of SPL finals last year.
In my opinion, a lot of SKT fans became SKT fans because of a certain player that was on the team, not because of the team itself, so it kind of doesn't make sense to say that its the same reason why someone likes the Yankees.
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