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Vasoline73
United States8202 Posts
PLEASE. Announce the lineups KESPA | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
SKT/CJ fighting. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
2. 31-19 STX 3. 28-21 MBC 4. 28-22 SKT 5. 27-23 WEM 6. 27-23 CJE ---------------------- 7. 25-25 WJN 8. 25-25 SAM 9. 24-25 HWA Pretty close now! Since Samsung and Hwaseung both won a few days ago, spots 4-6 are all up for grabs, though SKT at #4 is probably safe, especially given how good their best players looked in that match against Wemade. | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
On June 21 2010 14:47 Chrispy wrote: I hope CJ stays in it and Oz sneaks in! :D Then the top 6 will be the best it could possibly be IMO. Yup exactly! | ||
Aesop
Hungary11305 Posts
I don't see how Oz would be fun in a Bo7. Jaedong and Hiya might be notable, but the rest is just poor. Teams like Woongjin, with such a broad lineup, would be way more interesting. | ||
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nextstep
Canada705 Posts
On June 22 2010 06:06 Aesop wrote: I don't see how Oz would be fun in a Bo7. Jaedong and Hiya might be notable, but the rest is just poor. Teams like Woongjin, with such a broad lineup, would be way more interesting. in playoffs (and starcraft in general), anything can happen. veterans show their experience, newer players show their potential, amazing comebacks/blunders can happen, and a whole bunch of intangibles can make for very exciting and entertaining games. i didn't think Oz would beat CJ's seemingly "better, broader" team last year in the playoffs. but some surprising entertaining games came out of it, and Oz won in the end. in the end, it's a fan thing. if you enjoy watching certain players play, of course you'll find that players'/team's matches more interesting. | ||
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + and down with Wemade and especially CJ  | ||
disciple
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
1. SK Telecom Obvious. They are the defending champs, and they have a playoff mystique about them. They also have two of the most entertaining players ever (Fantasy and Bisu). When those guys are playing well, it's really really fun to watch. Even their role guys are fun -- Best with his brute force everything, and Hyuk with his Hyukness. Very happy they beat Wemade last night, they are almost assured of a spot. 2. KT Rolster First, Flash is the best player right now (though his recent ace matches are suspect). Though the other KT players aren't particularly fun or exciting, this team has great history. They used to be the Red Sox to SKT's Yankees but then slumped for a while. But now they developed some home grown players and became "good" again very recently. Still, I wonder if they have the depth to be competitive in a Bo7. But you must have the current #1 player in PL playoffs, and that's Flash. 3. CJ Entus I admit it. I'm biased. But even if I wasn't, I'd want this team in. They are a team with one balanced ace (Effort) and then several efficient snipers (Skyhigh vT, Snow vT, Movie vZ, and even Iris vT). Their coaching staff is thorough and their play is very well practiced and smart. This produces high quality and entertaining matches. They will also get to show their depth in the Bo7 format. Speaking as a CJ fan, I can't see any other team's #3-4 matching Skyhigh and Movie (other than SKT). 4. WeMade FOX Entertaining and fan favorite vets (Midas, Nada) with a rising new ace (Baby) and several young, interesting players (Shine, Roro). This team has traditionally sucked but they are fun to watch. They have insane depth if Mind and Pure start playing well again. 5. Samsung KHAN After several rounds of sucking, Samsung has turned in on the final few weeks with Great leading the way. It'd be weird to have a playoffs without Stork, Jangbi, and FBH. Samsung has been so consistently at the top for so long, and suddenly they are in danger of missing the playoffs. Let's hope they make it. 6. Hwaseung Oz Jaedong! He probably wants revenge so badly for last year's double loss to Fantasy in the PL playoffs. In fact, losing twice to Fantasy there probably hurts him more than winning the OSL against Fantasy during that same time period. Hiya is solid, and the other three -- Killer, Lomo, and Backho -- are all hilarious in their win/fail ridiculousness. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
Out with Oz, in with Woongjin. I don't want to watch Jaedong Oz again, especially in a Bo7. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
MBC - Not enough entertainment. Their role players suck and their main guys (Light and Sea) are fun to root for but unfortunately are quite boring. If there was still teamplay or if they still had July or some other entertaining non-Terran, I'd want them in. STX - Used to be fun. Now they have been slumping, so their appeal is kind of dulled. No Hwasin, and Hero has been sucking too. Woongjin - They don't have an ace. Every other team on my list has a fun, exciting ace. Zero and Free don't count. If there was a 7th team, I'd want these guys though, mainly because I like Guemchi and MVP lol. | ||
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
On June 20 2010 06:04 Kenpachi wrote: Actually, i think they can take Khan and MBC. Theyre just being thrown around right now. Think about it this way though. I think if Oz goes 7-0/6-1, from here on, they will be a serious contender to win in the playoffs just off pure momentum. Same thing can be said about Khan. You right about JD not able to win every match, but JD is one game away from setting the longest PL winstreak, so I think its safe to say, JD can carry his team. Further, Hiya can play extremely well win the time calls for it. The real issue, is Lomo, and Killer and whether or not they can stop matches getting to Ace. I really think it comes down to there match against CJ, Khan, and SKT. Because those are the hardest matches by far, and giving CJ and Khan a loss will give them an even better edge. I want to see Oz make it just because i want to see a comeback. | ||
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nextstep
Canada705 Posts
On June 22 2010 08:36 Hot_Bid wrote: Here is who I'd want in the playoffs in order of entertainment value: 1. SK Telecom Obvious. They are the defending champs, and they have a playoff mystique about them. They also have two of the most entertaining players ever (Fantasy and Bisu). When those guys are playing well, it's really really fun to watch. Even their role guys are fun -- Best with his brute force everything, and Hyuk with his Hyukness. Very happy they beat Wemade last night, they are almost assured of a spot. 2. KT Rolster First, Flash is the best player right now (though his recent ace matches are suspect). Though the other KT players aren't particularly fun or exciting, this team has great history. They used to be the Red Sox to SKT's Yankees but then slumped for a while. But now they developed some home grown players and became "good" again very recently. Still, I wonder if they have the depth to be competitive in a Bo7. But you must have the current #1 player in PL playoffs, and that's Flash. 3. CJ Entus I admit it. I'm biased. But even if I wasn't, I'd want this team in. They are a team with one balanced ace (Effort) and then several efficient snipers (Skyhigh vT, Snow vT, Movie vZ, and even Iris vT). Their coaching staff is thorough and their play is very well practiced and smart. This produces high quality and entertaining matches. They will also get to show their depth in the Bo7 format. Speaking as a CJ fan, I can't see any other team's #3-4 matching Skyhigh and Movie (other than SKT). 4. WeMade FOX Entertaining and fan favorite vets (Midas, Nada) with a rising new ace (Baby) and several young, interesting players (Shine, Roro). This team has traditionally sucked but they are fun to watch. They have insane depth if Mind and Pure start playing well again. 5. Samsung KHAN After several rounds of sucking, Samsung has turned in on the final few weeks with Great leading the way. It'd be weird to have a playoffs without Stork, Jangbi, and FBH. Samsung has been so consistently at the top for so long, and suddenly they are in danger of missing the playoffs. Let's hope they make it. 6. Hwaseung Oz Jaedong! He probably wants revenge so badly for last year's double loss to Fantasy in the PL playoffs. In fact, losing twice to Fantasy there probably hurts him more than winning the OSL against Fantasy during that same time period. Hiya is solid, and the other three -- Killer, Lomo, and Backho -- are all hilarious in their win/fail ridiculousness. I'd take your list minus WeMade, and add Woongjin. I just enjoy watching Free play that much. p.s. who's #2 on CJ? I always assumed Skyhigh and Movie were 2-3. | ||
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
On June 22 2010 09:58 nextstep wrote: I'd take your list minus WeMade, and add Woongjin. I just enjoy watching Free play that much. p.s. who's #2 on CJ? I always assumed Skyhigh and Movie were 2-3. Snow's probably the #2 player on CJ now (so while CJ probably has the best 3/4, their 1/2 leaves much to be desired especially if Effort doesn't raise his game). Honestly I'd rather have last year's Effort than the one that just won OSL. At this time last year it really felt like Effort could beat anyone (and indeed he beat everyone except finally dropping a super-ace to Jaedong). | ||
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nextstep
Canada705 Posts
On June 22 2010 10:06 darktreb wrote: Snow's probably the #2 player on CJ now (so while CJ probably has the best 3/4, their 1/2 leaves much to be desired especially if Effort doesn't raise his game). Honestly I'd rather have last year's Effort than the one that just won OSL. At this time last year it really felt like Effort could beat anyone (and indeed he beat everyone except finally dropping a super-ace to Jaedong). hmm, ur right, just checked his stats, he's on a beastly run right now. and don't remind me of Effort lol, i'm still stinging from last year's playoffs | ||
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seRapH
United States9830 Posts
but more likely they'll end at 3rd, take down khan then mbc, demolish stx without hwasin, and epic match KT into a super-super-ace match with Bisu > Flash :D | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
| 1. KT | 34-16 | +42 | Wow Stars, KHAN, OZ... Still though, hitting playoffs for either of these teams is going to be tough. They're just hoping CJ will lose now. KT, STX, and MBC are pretty much locked in, so let's look at the remaining teams. + Show Spoiler [SKT's remaining matches] + Hite, MBC, KT, OZ, STX eSTRO, CJ, Stars, ACE, KHAN STX, FOX, MBC, ACE ACE, KHAN, SKT, Hite, MBC MBC, Hite, OZ, KT, FOX KT, FOX, STX, eSTRO SKT I think is pretty much locked into a playoff spot as well, though just to be thorough I'll go through all this. They should definitely win against Hite, against MBC I'd put them as the favourite, 50-50 against KT (even though Flash is currently not doing well), should beat OZ, and STX is not doing well but is still dangerous. SKT probably going to go 4-1 in their last five matches to finish at 32-23, though I'd say 31-24 is more reasonable, given the volatile nature of PL. FOX has mostly easier teams remaining; they should beat CJ and ACE, and against CJ and Stars I think FOX has the depth and tools (terran imba!) to beat those two teams, though it's kind of iffy. I'd still put them as the favourite over KHAN, so FOX going 4-1 seems very possible to me, putting them right behind SKT with an aggregate record of 31-24. So I think the top 5 should be safe for now, and like any good race, it all comes down to the last qualifying spot, and that really falls down to CJ, OZ, KHAN, and Stars. CJ's still got some tough matches left. STX, even though they're sucking, can put up a good fight so it'd be hard to call. I believe FOX > CJ at the moment, since though CJ has a lot of very good vT snipers, FOX can pull out Shine or RorO to mess things up a bit, and we really don't like sKyHigh's TvZ. MBC is like STX, it's very hard to call, and ACE, well even though we want them to win CJ should win that. So I'd say CJ probabilistically should go 2-2 in their last four matches, putting them at 29-26, but it could very easily be 3-1 or 1-3. OZ should be able to beat ACE (lawl 2-game losing streak v ACE for OZ) and Hite (JD >>>> Hite), probably not SKT (though they did R4... then again SKT didn't do well R4), and MBC really seems like a toss-up to me, since it's all about how well Sea and Light can avoid Jaedong. KHAN is the big toss-up game, since right now OZ and KHAN are tied up--OZ is just ahead in the game differential by 9 points, and I think OZ can beat KHAN still, as long as HiyA tries to play standard. Probably going to go 3-2, but it's really damn hard to predict how OZ does. 3-2 or 1-3 is @_@ even though OZ went 3-1 both times this week. Also whoa I just realized Killer won both deciding matches for OZ, both against Terran as well. Still though, Killer sucks. So probably a 28-27 final result for OZ, but could be 29-26 or who knows. I still don't see them beating out CJ, unless CJ starts losing more. Man v MBC matches are always hard to call. KHAN should beat Hite... and that's the only 'guarantee' I can see. Despite Flash's recent failings, I still don't think they can beat KT, OZ is a toss-up, don't think they will beat FOX, and MBC is iffy. I see KHAN most likely going 2-3 with a final record of 27-28. And Stars I think is out of the race at this point. They've got KT, FOX, and STX left, teams that are all very dangerous and very capable of beating Stars. They should beat eSTRO, yeah, but at best I see Stars going 2-2, putting them at 27-28. So at this point, I think the top three spots are decided (at least amongst the three teams occupying them). KT, even after this string of Ace losses for Flash, definitely should remain in first, and STX may be overtaken by MBC for second, though I see anybody but those two teams occupying 2 and 3. SKT and FOX fight over 4 and 5, with SKT more likely to take the 4 spot. 6 is really interesting. CJ is fully capable of defending 6 since it has an extra two wins over its close competition at this point, but it still has some tough matches coming up. Whichever team wins between OZ and KHAN should pull ahead for spot 7, and after an 0-2 week, Stars is most likely out of playoffs. Here's to Hite, eSTRO, and Air Force ACE (Go ACE! 2-0 this week!) shaking things up a bit from the bottom of the ladder, though. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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